Talent or coaching?

Centex said:
Jerry has to conclude one of two things:

1. The talent is lacking, or

2. The coaches are lacking.

If he sees himself as a football guy (he does) then he has to be getting the picture that Garrett is a bad coach and squandering talent that Jones has drafted. Otherwise he has to conclude that maybe he (Jones) really isn't a football guy and can't put together a team that good coaching can win with.
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Nice.

Both.
 
This is a slightly above average team talent-wise. The talent is always overrated though. The Oline has regressed, WIlliams is not a NFL Guard. The DTs are meh and the LBs and Safeties have been exposed. The RB is maybe top 10, but nowhere near top 1-2. The window has been closing and will be dependent on Prescott overcoming an aging oline and RB.

That said, you can win with this team. There was no excuse, other than coaching, to lose to the Jets and Saints.

This team does not dictate on offense anymore and could never dictate on defense. If they get out to early leads they are formidable, if they fall behind, the defense is not good enough to force quick outs, TOs or scores. The offense has explosive WRs and DAk has gotten better (I think he is top 7-8).

This coaching is garbage. We could have Kamara, Tyreek HIll and Tavaris Jackson and they would get 1 jet sweep per game. Jarwin is 200x the player Witten is, but Dallas is about nostalgia and merch sales
 
According to 98% of cowboys fans when we win it’s talent and when we lose its coaching
 
Weird how some put no stock at all in experienced coaching. Garrett sucks and has no business on the sidelines. That's been proven over and over again. Can't have a steak on every plate but a quality coach is a difference maker. Preparation, evaluation, scheme, experience, accountability, respect, confidence, game management etc. There is talent here now, there was talent here in the past and this joke has gone on far too long.
 
TheDude said:
This is a slightly above average team talent-wise. The talent is always overrated though. The Oline has regressed, WIlliams is not a NFL Guard. The DTs are meh and the LBs and Safeties have been exposed. The RB is maybe top 10, but nowhere near top 1-2. The window has been closing and will be dependent on Prescott overcoming an aging oline and RB.

That said, you can win with this team. There was no excuse, other than coaching, to lose to the Jets and Saints.

This team does not dictate on offense anymore and could never dictate on defense. If they get out to early leads they are formidable, if they fall behind, the defense is not good enough to force quick outs, TOs or scores. The offense has explosive WRs and DAk has gotten better (I think he is top 7-8).

This coaching is garbage. We could have Kamara, Tyreek HIll and Tavaris Jackson and they would get 1 jet sweep per game. Jarwin is 200x the player Witten is, but Dallas is about nostalgia and merch sales
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I don't agree w/ the Jarwin thingie, but I agree w/ everything else in your post.
 
Talent or coaching? It's not either/or. We have about average talent and crap coaching. I put our talent in the 12-16 range, and our coaching in 30-32.
 
Cowboys need top talent and top coaches.

They need a new top of the line head coach.

If Parcells could take a 5-11 team to the playoffs in one year; imagine what an excellent head coach can do with the current team.
 
kskboys said:
I don't agree w/ the Jarwin thingie, but I agree w/ everything else in your post.
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He should still be seeing a lot more time on the field. So far his limited touches have resulted in quality production. Why they rather go to the 37 year old who is done after this season makes no sense at all. Even from this front office. Maybe he's not 200x the player Witten is, But he's young and has a much higher ceiling at this point in time.
 
coaching gives them no discernible advantage on game day, you could argue they are at a disadvantage nearly every game day

talent is wildly overrated yearly by the snake oil salesman and son.

fans sit and wait that someday, someday, they make a deep and meaningful charge into late January.

Rinse and repeat
 
Big_D said:
He should still be seeing a lot more time on the field. So far his limited touches have resulted in quality production. Why they rather go to the 37 year old who is done after this season makes no sense at all. Even from this front office. Maybe he's not 200x the player Witten is, But he's young and has a much higher ceiling at this point in time.
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Not sure he has a higher ceiling. Even though I definitely don't trust this coaching staff, Jarwin has all the signs of being a backup/#2 type receiving threat. He had his chance to start last season, and never took over. So, to tell the truth, I'm not sure where this "Jarwin would be a great starter" is coming from. Rumor is he can't block, and I'm not sure he can create separation consistently.
 
kskboys said:
Not sure he has a higher ceiling. Even though I definitely don't trust this coaching staff, Jarwin has all the signs of being a backup/#2 type receiving threat. He had his chance to start last season, and never took over. So, to tell the truth, I'm not sure where this "Jarwin would be a great starter" is coming from. Rumor is he can't block, and I'm not sure he can create separation consistently.
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Even if he isn't starter material you should be going into 2020 with a better read on the position. You have a 25 year old who could possibly be the starter and a 37 year old on his last legs. Just makes no sense. And blocking seems like an issue no matter who is out there. He can catch he can run. Find a blocking TE. Why they brought Witten back is a real head scratcher. Jerry loves these sentimental decisions. You gotta find out if the younger players are capable or not. Less than 2 targets a game isn't really gonna tell you anything. It's certainly not like the position is tearing it up at the moment. They're wasting a legit opportunity to get him more involved to properly gauge the situation.
 
big dog cowboy said:
It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that the Cowboys would be 7-2 today with good coaching.
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CowboysZone has blamed every loss for the last decade on coaching. The players have been undefeated.

What 2 losses this year would you say are not Garrett’s fault?
 
Big_D said:
Even if he isn't starter material you should be going into 2020 with a better read on the position. You have a 25 year old who could possibly be the starter and a 37 year old on his last legs. Just makes no sense. And blocking seems like an issue no matter who is out there. He can catch he can run. Find a blocking TE. Why they brought Witten back is a real head scratcher. Jerry loves these sentimental decisions. You gotta find out if the younger players are capable or not. Less than 2 targets a game isn't really gonna tell you anything. It's certainly not like the position is tearing it up at the moment. They're wasting a legit opportunity to get him more involved to properly gauge the situation.
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WItten should be playing no more than 50-60% of snaps.

These same younger players had a chance last year and none was anywhere near starting quality. Not sure there's a starting quality TE on the roster aside from Witt.
 
Imagine what a real HC could do with this team.....pissed me off every time I think about it.
 
texbumthelife said:
Wait. Is this another thread about how bad the coaching is? Revolutionary thought, sir! Why hadn't anyone else thought of that?!
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Don’t like the thread, move on.

I love the internet commandos that opine on their view of a thread.

As for the OP. It’s coaching more than talent here. Although better Safeties and a run stuffing DT would help a lot.
 
Sully said:
For the past decade(s), Dallas fans have heard season after season the Cowboys "have so much talent". And season after season, this franchise can't make it to a NFC title game.
Many times, just get to 7-9/8-8/9-7 When you look at the Patriots, you might not even name a single player on their DL (w/o looking it up), the Seahawks/Packers/and a few other teams are not "loaded" with talent, but seem to be CONSISTANTLY good every season.

How ?

COACHING and it is why the fans of the Cowboys just keep chanting for a new coach.
It is disappointing but when Garrett was hired, though it was a good one. Ivy League guy, learned under Nick Saban, Jimmy Johnson and was a QB. So, remove Garrett and the team can be in a former situation in the late 90s with numerous coaches walking the sideline for Dallas.
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Coaching!!!

Swap Belichick and Garrett between teams and the Cowboys win the Super Bowl.

Maybe the Super Bowl for this season, but definitely the Super Bowl after next season.


It's actually a testament to some of the players that they've been as competitive as they have been considering how much the schemes put them at a disadvantage.

The DL and OL schemes are the biggest issue.

They don't seem to understand Zone Blocking, either how to run it or how to defend it.


Any team must have a Head Coach that is in total control.

Garrett does not even appear to have input into the defense and it's not clear who is in charge of the defense (Marinelli or Richard).

It is also not clear who does what on the offensive game-plan/scheme.

Does Garrett force run or pass onto Kellen Moore?

Does Kellen Moore as a 1st year OC have any input on the run blocking scheme?


I still believe that the Cowboys have some good assistant coaches but a 1st time OC that is only in his 2nd year coaching needs a very strong Head Coach.

I "think" Kris Richard is a good coach but it's very difficult to implement your own defense when someone else is technically the D-Coordinator (Marinelli).


Does anybody remember when Mike Singletary was the Head Coach of the 49ers?

The 49ers had put together a good roster but Singletary just didn't have the CEO type abilities required to be an NFL Head Coach.

Harbaugh come in and quickly had success because much of the talent was already on the roster.

Harbaugh was 13-3 his first season.

The 49ers were 6-10 the previous season and 8-8 the season before that.
 
Whyjerry said:
Don’t like the thread, move on.

I love the internet commandos that opine on their view of a thread.

As for the OP. It’s coaching more than talent here. Although better Safeties and a run stuffing DT would help a lot.
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