Talib admits he smoked pot and Manningham drops

[Yeagermeister]

Cason is better anyway. The guy is entirely about great character off the field and great play on it.

*cough* Homer *cough*

 

[TellerMorrow34]

*cough* Homer *cough*

Off topic, I know, but congrats to your Tigers on such a fine year Yeagermeister. That was an outstanding game last night.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, my fear is someone is going to get scared and take Cason before us, damn I wish I knew what NFL GM's really thought about these players!!!

It could happen. I can't deny that at all. I still hold out hope. Yeah, I'm a homer for this guy. I won't deny it. Perfect compliment to Newman IMO. Character and talent.

 

[Tobal]

I like Cason, he's good and he's safe.... I have no issue taking him at 22, I was just hoping we could get him at 28.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Off topic, I know, but congrats to your Tigers on such a fine year Yeagermeister. That was an outstanding game last night.

Thanks, I'm still sick at how we let it get away from us.

 

[Woods]

I like Cason, he's good and he's safe.... I have no issue taking him at 22, I was just hoping we could get him at 28.

I think we would have to take Cason at 22 if we want him (and if he's still there).

In any case, we'll be sending 28 for R Williams.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Derek Ross and Antonio Bryant, anyone?

 

[Chief]

Derek Ross and Antonio Bryant, anyone?

Or Kareem Larrimore.

Writing this off as nothing is a mistake, IMO.

Too much risk, especially that high (no pun itended).

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

i'm right there with you. so he smoked pot 3 times. 3 whole times, or did he not inhale?

don't we all have "bad boy" years? how many people here want their college life brought back up and thrown in their face?

if he falls cause he smoked pot 3 whole times, i hope he falls to us. now if it's him over cason, i know how passionate hos is over cason, i just see talib rated higher but that's just online ratings.

non-issue to me. but then again i don't understand why best buy has to advertise their employes are drug-tested. do i really give a flip what some barely over minimum wage person did last night and how badly it messed up cd's being put on the shelves.

There is a difference between smoking pot 3 times and failing a test 3 times.

Chances are he was smoking more than just three times and I would hope you get that and admit it.

Now if a normal joe was just smoking some pot...no problem on my end.

However this guy is basically putting his whole future in his lips because it will cause him to lose money and teams shying away from him. It is not a did it once, got caught, did not do it again thing.

He is STUPID for that at the very least.

Plus let's not act like it was just getting caught three times smoking pot, like he never ever did it more than the times he was caught, but there also appears to be other issues with him.

This guy should probably be passed on...ESP if we wind up with Pac Man. I could just see those two being a "positive" influence on each other.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Or Kareem Larrimore.

Writing this off as nothing is a mistake, IMO.

Too much risk, especially that high (no pun itended).

No doubt. The words "ten foot pole" come to mind.

Please, Jerry, don't get tempted by these fools like you used to. ray:

The good news is that we didn't take anyone like this last year. So maybe Jerry has learned something.

I'm still going to believe that Cason wasn't on that whiteboard for a reason.

 

[iceberg]

There is a difference between smoking pot 3 times and failing a test 3 times.

Chances are he was smoking more than just three times and I would hope you get that and admit it.

Now if a normal joe was just smoking some pot...no problem on my end.

However this guy is basically putting his whole future in his lips because it will cause him to lose money and teams shying away from him. It is not a did it once, got caught, did not do it again thing.

He is STUPID for that at the very least.

Plus let's not act like it was just getting caught three times smoking pot, like he never ever did it more than the times he was caught, but there also appears to be other issues with him.

This guy should probably be passed on...ESP if we wind up with Pac Man. I could just see those two being a "positive" influence on each other.

for the most part, i agree. but the question is how many of these other atheletes then are just not getting caught.

sorry - i understand how people get upset about this, but i'm not one of them. you can let a raging alcoholic pass w/o question but someone who smokes on occasion is held to a different standard.

maybe it's a flag. maybe not. it's not to me cause i don't put pot smoker into the thug category right off the bat.

 

[Bigdog]

I prefer Cason in any case to Talib.

But with Talib being a 3 time offender (or at least caught 3 times) in college, it's definitely going to hurt him, IMO.

Agree. I too like Cason. I alos like Porter and Patrick Lee in the 2nd.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Yeah, even though I have issues with the testing process in general, you still have to drop Talib on your draft board. Can't say I wouldn't touch him at all, the temptation would be awful great if he was sitting there in the second round. In some ways, it could help us, and in some ways it could hurt us. Sure it moves the other CBs up, but it also makes a 1st round talent available later in the draft.

Manningham is a bit different, with guidance issues as what his issues being blamed on. You never really know with this issues, could be true or just an excuse. Of course, all the WRs seem to have issues.

I don't mind taking on a player with issues, once he has dropped a ways in the draft. Problem is, we are starting to pile up problem players, hopefully that won't hurt us in the future. Calvin Hill, and his "assistant" Irvin can only do so much.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

for the most part, i agree. but the question is how many of these other atheletes then are just not getting caught.

sorry - i understand how people get upset about this, but i'm not one of them. you can let a raging alcoholic pass w/o question but someone who smokes on occasion is held to a different standard.

maybe it's a flag. maybe not. it's not to me cause i don't put pot smoker into the thug category right off the bat.

I totally agree with this, and what I tried to mention above. I have never smoked pot, and while its illegal, it doesn't affect you like alcohol does. But oh well, one is legal, one isn't, so there is the "pass" thing right there.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

for the most part, i agree. but the question is how many of these other atheletes then are just not getting caught.

sorry - i understand how people get upset about this, but i'm not one of them. you can let a raging alcoholic pass w/o question but someone who smokes on occasion is held to a different standard.

maybe it's a flag. maybe not. it's not to me cause i don't put pot smoker into the thug category right off the bat.

Because they can get suspended from the team if they are drafted and fail another test??!!

It is not a matter if I think smoking it is ok or not, I have no problem with people who do and presonally think it should be legal.

But I don't want some putz coming on the team, lighting up, getting caught and hurting the team. Not hard to figure out really...and apparently this guy is not smart enough not to get caught.

 

[Chief]

Because they can get suspended from the team if they are drafted and fail another test??!!

It is not a matter if I think smoking it is ok or not, I have no problem with people who do and presonally think it should be legal.

But I don't want some putz coming on the team, lighting up, getting caught and hurting the team. Not hard to figure out really...and apparently this guy is not smart enough not to get caught.

That's my concern.

It's a question of judgement.

A player sees the consequences of doing this, yet he does it anyway.

This reveals a severe lack of good judgement, lack of will power, stubborness and stupidity.

We've all done dumb things before, especially when we were Talib's age, but it's a little different when you see what is at stake here -- Millions of dollars and a chance to play in the NFL.

Quincy Carter was rumored to have been a pot head in college. How did that turn out? Think of the wasted time and money that went into his development.

 

[InmanRoshi]

There are rules in life for every profession. Lots of them. This one is one of the more simple ones. Don't smoke pot. I don't see what's complicated about it. There's no gray area there. If you can't follow something that brain numbingly simple, you're probably not going to be real good at following other rules either. Like show up for practice. Attend offseason workouts. Stay awake during team meetings. Use this technique when playing in this coverage. Alib was suspended at Kansas for breaking other team rules. I don't think it's coincidence that someone like Alib or Chris Henry fails repeated drugs tests and then break other rules and laws too. Someone who repeatedly fails drug tests is someone who either has a problem or someone who doesn't feel like rules apply to him because he's too special.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

That's my concern.

It's a question of judgement.

A player sees the consequences of doing this, yet he does it anyway.

This reveals a severe lack of good judgement, lack of will power, stubborness and stupidity.

We've all done dumb things before, especially when we were Talib's age, but it's a little different when you see what is at stake here -- Millions of dollars and a chance to play in the NFL.

Quincy Carter was rumored to have been a pot head in college. How did that turn out? Think of the wasted time and money that went into his development.

What!??!?! QC did drugs...I just don't believe it...

---Thanks for giving me an excuse to post a picture that always makes me laugh.

 

[theebs]

What!??!?! QC did drugs...I just don't believe it...

---Thanks for giving me an excuse to post a picture that always makes me laugh.

I have always wondered. Is he carrying a blender and wearing slippers?

 

[Hostile]

for the most part, i agree. but the question is how many of these other atheletes then are just not getting caught.

sorry - i understand how people get upset about this, but i'm not one of them. you can let a raging alcoholic pass w/o question but someone who smokes on occasion is held to a different standard.

maybe it's a flag. maybe not. it's not to me cause i don't put pot smoker into the thug category right off the bat.

I gotta disagree with you ice. I believe History will show that when the pot user getting caught was Quincy Carter you felt he was stupid. I did too.

What is the difference here if he is getting caught doing the same thing?

If he is getting caught it's a far worse sign because it probably means he's either into it heavier or very stupid. I would think closer to the latter. I just think it's beyond dumb on any athlete's part to not be able to put aside pot in favor of a potential dream life. How can pot be that important when all of the advocates say it's no big deal? When users cannot see the bigger picture, it is a big deal. JMO.