Tanks seeks 22.5, Cowboys offer 20

[northerncowboynation]

So much for the narrative that the Cowboys are cheap and way off with Tank on this. What's a piddling 2 mil among friends

 

[BourbonBalz]

See what we can get in a trade.

 

[Denim Chicken]

But last year was a different scenario. You can't throw premium money toward a guy who needs to prove his worth and availability.

He proved it in 2017. If the FO wanted another prove it year, then they are going to have to pay the market rate.

 

[gimmesix]

Restructuring contracts is what has hamstrung this team over a decade. While we do need to first see the amount of guaranteed money and the payout structure of DLaw's contract year to year, restructuring these deals and kicking guaranteed money down the road is more times than not a bad idea.

Actually, that's incorrect. Dallas got in salary cap trouble in the 1990s because it didn't understand how to manipulate the cap. It has since learned how to stagger contracts to essentially make one pay for another. It's like a puzzle that has to be put together in a specific way to work, only there are some unknown variables (such as injury, sudden retirement) that can make teams have to shift the puzzle some, but good cap managers keep those variables in mind when they are structuring deals.

 

[northerncowboynation]

jeebus JJ get on with it. 2m is chump change. Get 'er done then get the shoulder done then we'll all be happy. Yeah right!!

 

[Denim Chicken]

He has to be worth something comparable to what Mack got the Raiders. Trade him

Hahahah. If we could get two first he'd be packing his bags.

You would be lucky to get 1 first.

 

[speedkilz88]

He proved it in 2017. If the FO wanted another prove it year, then they are going to have to pay the market rate.

The market rate is 20 million. It's really 19 but he can argue he's better than Flowers

 

[Doomsday101]

Actually, that's incorrect. Dallas got in salary cap trouble in the 1990s because it didn't understand how to manipulate the cap. It has since learned how to stagger contracts to essentially make one pay for another. It's like a puzzle that has to be put together in a specific way to work, only there are some unknown variables (such as injury, sudden retirement) that can make teams have to shift the puzzle some, but good cap managers keep those variables in mind when they are structuring deals.

I think more than that they were handing out big contracts to guys who were no longer in their prime and when released from the team we had a lot of dead money that hit the team in the face.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

If he won’t take that offer, let him walk. He got what he asked for and now wants to say no to it? Let another team pay him.

He didnt get what he asked for.

 

[Diehardblues]

Of course you don't get it, you're expecting everyone to blast Jerry Jones and if they don't you claim they are defending him.

It works both ways. A player deserves their fair share. But in order to build a competitive team properly you have to balance the cap and not overpay players. Especially those who are a risk.

Most reasonable fans want the TEAM to be great and that happens when a staff is smart and doesn't throw ridiculous money toward a player that will eventually hurt the team financially.

There are a ton of examples in the past and I commend the staff for NOT simply signing whatever.

The mistakes this front office has made on the risk which failed them this year placed us in this more vulnerable circumstance with Lawrence or we'd be in a better negotiation position.

If we lose Lawrence this year after losing Gregory and Irving this DL and defense are going to be severely challenged to repeat carrying us to the playoffs again.

Despite some of the better decisions which have been made in recent years were still having enough poor decisions being made to stifle a greater team.

Having to pony up a couple million more than we’d like cause of poor decisions is not what I’d define as “ signing whatever”.

 

[DRella]

If, and that's a big if, the Cowboys went to $20MM AAV but then cut the guaranteed money they initially offered, that changes the calculus a bit.

Listen in the end the Cowboys organization has a long standing history of paying its own players. The only player in recent history that I can remember that went to battle with this front office was Emmitt Smith. And in the end he still got paid what he was worth with both sides agreeing to original number the Cowboys were offering.

The Cowboys are not a cheap organization and Lawrence trying to take advantage of that is ridiculous. It means something to wear that Star on the side of your helmet every Sunday. Its about tradition. To be honest I am very disappointed in Lawrence for not being a leader for this team. By him doing this he is setting up the franchise for failure. If the dollars is what matters to him, then he can go play for a team like Arizona or Buffalo or Detroit or what ever other team that he wants. They will overpay for him. Cowboys shouldn't have to.

 

[G2]

He proved it in 2017. If the FO wanted another prove it year, then they are going to have to pay the market rate.

Sort of. He played injured and has delayed that process. It's a significant surgery, procedure and recovery that leaves questions unanswered until you "wait and see."
One solid season on top of that and that lowers the market rate. And we won't know if he will be productive until into the season.
Unless you're one of those fans who is cool with avoiding the surgery and dislocating it more and missing even more games.

 

[Sydla]

Hahahah. If we could get two first he'd be packing his bags.

You would be lucky to get 1 first.

So for the record.

You'd be lucky to get a 1st for him which would be significantly less than what Mack got in a trade, but you are arguing here that we need to pay him almost like Mack because they are more similar than people want to admit?

How does that make sense?

 

[BourbonBalz]

He didnt get what he asked for.

Based on what I’ve read he asked for $20 mil per year. That’s what has been offered. Now he wants $22.5 mil? Piss on him and his agent.

 

[DoctorChicken]

The market rate is 20 million. It's really 19 but he can argue he's better than Flowers

He’s better in nearly every statistical category than Flowers. He’d be stupid to take the same deal as Flowers.

 

[Clarkson]

SHOCKER, GREEDY AGENT. lol...Gonna haggle over 2 mil. lol..

couldn't you say the same about the cowboys? greedy, gonna haggle over $2M?

 

[G2]

The mistakes this front office has made on the risk which failed them this year placed us in this more vulnerable circumstance with Lawrence or we'd be in a better negotiation position.

If we lose Lawrence this year after losing Gregory and Irving this DL and defense are going to be severely challenged to repeat carrying us to the playoffs again.

Despite some of the better decisions which have been made in recent years were still having enough poor decisions being made to stifle a greater team.

Having to pony up a couple million more than we’d like to cause of our poor decisions is not what I’d define as “ signing whatever”.

You're placing too much importance on rotational players. And you're mistaken on the financial effect. Also, we're very early in the off season and you've hit the panic button already.
I urge you to read up on Irving and Gregory's contract negotiations.

 

[Clarkson]

people really underestimate how good lawrence is? yikes. dude is great at everything.

 

[G2]

So for the record.

You'd be lucky to get a 1st for him which would be significantly less than what Mack got in a trade, but you are arguing here that we need to pay him almost like Mack because they are more similar than people want to admit?

How does that make sense?

Exactly. It's a biased opinion to suggest Lawrence gets paid like Mack. That's just simply silly.

 

[Manster_Mash]

He is a very good player. Not 22 mil good, however.

Id tell his agent to accept that 20 mil offer by draft day, or prepare your moving truck.