Tashard Choice Cut - Bruce Carter Activated

[Hostile]

Yes. "Educate" me. And make it at least 12 paragraphs or I'll question your "victory".

1. I hate Kickers. Keeping two frosts me. No one hates it more than I do.

2. I wanted Choice cut the second he went out of bounds against Washington and saved them a timeout. Every time he has fumbled since then I have seen that play in my mind.

3. I would have kept Roy Williams as a 3rd WR option because our top 2 guys have some injury issues and the rest were too inexperienced.

4. I never would have let Jesse Holley make the active roster after a reality TV show.

5. I didn't want Kitna or any other dinosaur QB near this team after Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Brad "Noodle Arm" Johnson.

6. I say every year that I would draft a QB every year and try to develop them and trade them if I could. You know, maximizing the value.

7. I hate the 50 year patch that commemorated that milestone in year 51.

8. I never liked Hutch or Quincy. I said it was like arguing which was better diarrhea or constipation.

9. I can't stand Jerry's refusal to recognize properly our past heroes who came before his reign here. It took too damned long for Drew Pearson to be honored as he will be this year. I detest that he couldn't be in the last 2 years because we celebrated a new stadium and hosting a Super Bowl instead.

10. I still think we blew it not getting Henry Hynoski, even though Fiammetta impressed the hell out of me last week.

11. I was vocally against the hiring of Rob Ryan, the spawn of Buddy.

12. I don't like the green pants. I don't like that the blue on the white jerseys doesn't match the blue on the star. I don't like that the blue and white jerseys are not mirrors of each other.


This is just the tip of the iceberg. I am sorry that I don't freak out and over react to every insignificant little roster decision like waiving a guy, but I have more important things to think about.

 

[Angus]

Dude, you just got booted from America's team. You had plenty of opportunities to prove your "best".

Not true.

 

[casmith07]

I think he'll be playing for the Lions by next week. They're actually contending and need RB help.

 

[Risen Star]

Based on what? Adam Schefter? Calvin Watkins?

I'm not going to defend Jerry as a GM. He's made good moves, and he's made bad ones. And maybe he did get offered something for Choice, and Bennett, for that matter. If he did, then I can look at it now and say I wish he would have made the deals. But I have neither seen, heard, nor read anything that gives clear proof that offers were actually made. Only speculation and hearsay.

I work in the health care profession. I'm no genius, and I'll be the first to admit that at times my idiocy knows no bounds. But I perform and analyze research all the time, and one of the worst mistakes you can make is to assume facts that aren't in evidence - to draw conclusions based on what you think or believe, as opposed to what is actually proven.

If there is actual, hard proof that Jerry received any offers for those two players, fine. You win. Until then, I'll employ the privilege of the old "unless you know the exact terms of the trades they weren't really offered" defense, because it's the proper course of action. Does that mean I'm defending Jerry as a whole? Not at all. I'm just reserving judgement until I have actual facts.

As for a what a "proper GM" does, well, thank you for enlightening us all. Maybe you should send a memo to every team in the NFL, because every team cuts players without getting anything in return.

All the standard homer responses from the manual.

How do you know? Where's the proof? You must know more than them. Send your resume to the league.

Flush. Wash. Rinse.

You have fun reserving judgement for those facts of trade offers that will never materialize with any concrete hard evidence since teams don't operate that way. I'll be on here in reality knowing Choice could have at least fetched a late round pick and that we definitely turned down a deal or two prior to this release.

This is why we haven't been very good in forever. Our lack of foresight and our inability to evaluate talent. It continues to kill this team today and it goes right back to one constant all these years.

I'm happy Choice isn't on this team anymore. But how we handled that move was yet another poor performance from the oil salesman.

 

[Kilyin]

Guess you could question the validity of this, as some seem to question the fact Jerry made it known he was looking to unload Choice:

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones told NFL Network's Alex Flanagan on NBC that he has fielded phone calls on Tashard Choice and will consider dealing the running back back before Tuesday's trade deadline.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...ade-away-rb-choice?module=HP11_headline_stack

 

[Doomsday101]

All the standard homer responses from the manual.

How do you know? Where's the proof? You must know more than them. Send your resume to the league.

Flush. Wash. Rinse.

You have fun reserving judgement for those facts of trade offers that will never materialize with any concrete hard evidence since teams don't operate that way. I'll be on here in reality knowing Choice could have at least fetched a late round pick and that we definitely turned down a deal or two prior to this release.

This is why we haven't been very good in forever. Our lack of foresight and our inability to evaluate talent. It continues to kill this team today and it goes right back to one constant all these years.

I'm happy Choice isn't on this team anymore. But how we handled that move was yet another poor performance from the oil salesman.

It was a poor performance in your own opinion. I'm sure you only see things from one point of view and any other view is wrong and stupid.

 

[21Savage]

Yes. "Educate" me. And make it at least 12 paragraphs or I'll question your "victory".




I don't know what's so tricky here. Even a conditional 7th is better than an outright release where you get nothing.

You'd have to pretend the Cowboys didn't get one offer for Choice to think a release was a good option. Otherwise, they lose value in a player they cut free when they could have gotten something for him.

See, something is better than nothing. Consider yourself wowed.


Oh, that's right. They needed to see Murray first before letting go of such a key contributor like Tashard Choice. Shame on me for thinking my GM should have eyes at practice.

So let's paint the circumstantial picture accurately instead of using revisionist history to deceitfully present the facts.

It's obvious to everyone, even the brain dead, that getting something for Choice in a trade is better than releasing him.

But here's the actual scenario:

You're 2 days to the trade deadline. Your starting RB just had a high ankle sprain and might possibly miss 6 weeks. Behind him you have a 3rd round pick at RB who missed all of training camp and up to this point is averaging about 3 ypc. After him you have an UDFA who has never had a carry in a regular season NFL game. At that point you would've been willing to trade Choice for a conditional 7th rounder based on some parameters you know the fumbling fool likely wouldn't even meet this season?

Fast forward to now. Your starting RB just got out of the walking boot and should be returning to practice soon. The 3rd round RB just broke the franchise record for rushing yards in a game and the UDFA proved the stage was not to big for him by showing some of the things he showed in the preseason.

Are you trying to say there's no difference in the circumstances and it's all cut and dry.

To be honest, if Jerry made that trade before the trade deadline and the whole thing bottomed out you'll be here criticizing him too. Just be honest with yourself. This is common sense and by next week Buelher, Holley and any other special teams player has more value to this team than a 4th RB on the depth chart who doesn't play special teams.

I also imagine he'd have less value to a lot of other teams out there too so they're not scrambling around offering their 3rd round picks for Choice.

 

[casmith07]

How do you know? Where's the proof? You must know more than them. Send your resume to the league.

So you're mad about someone saying this...but then you say...

I'll be on here in reality knowing Choice could have at least fetched a late round pick and that we definitely turned down a deal or two prior to this release.

This is why we haven't been very good in forever. Our lack of foresight and our inability to evaluate talent. It continues to kill this team today and it goes right back to one constant all these years.

I'm happy Choice isn't on this team anymore. But how we handled that move was yet another poor performance from the oil salesman.

I am thoroughly perplexed.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Choice had a bad attitude in general and specifically towards Garrett.

Tashard may of had little value on the FA market but that was last year, this year he's hurt.

PC Canidate L. Miller is better anyway, Tanner is x2 what Choice is and could be.

 

[iceberg]

All the standard homer responses from the manual.

How do you know? Where's the proof? You must know more than them. Send your resume to the league.

Flush. Wash. Rinse.

You have fun reserving judgement for those facts of trade offers that will never materialize with any concrete hard evidence since teams don't operate that way. I'll be on here in reality knowing Choice could have at least fetched a late round pick and that we definitely turned down a deal or two prior to this release.

This is why we haven't been very good in forever. Our lack of foresight and our inability to evaluate talent. It continues to kill this team today and it goes right back to one constant all these years.

I'm happy Choice isn't on this team anymore. But how we handled that move was yet another poor performance from the oil salesman.

you're happy, and mad.

that must really suck dude.

 

[Gibby!]

Covering the TE? lol you are joking?

I agree David B is a very athletic Kicker..but i don't think he could ever cover a TE

Not every TE is a Jason Witten / Antonio Gates / Vernon Davis. I didn't say it was a GOOD idea, just an idea.


Why do you think they are keeping him?

 

[slomoxn]

Which makes it even more of a travesty that we didn't pull the trigger at the trade-deadline for TC. We are like the anti-Patriots when it comes to getting value for our unwanted players. Wow.

My feelings exactly, in everyone's glee at cutting him have they forgotten the gm's interview in which he stated they have fielded several calls about trades for TC. Insted they just let him go, two weeks ago he was a possible 4-7 round draft choice or a practice squad player they may have had interest in. The team still needs a real GM.:bang2:

 

[realtick]

Uh, what? He plays on kickoff coverage units? So does every other kicker. The term 'kickoff specialist' will always make me lol. Bailey is our kicker.

Um, let me help you, Buehler plays on our punt coverage units.

 

[iceberg]

My feelings exactly, in everyone's glee at cutting him have they forgotten the gm's interview in which he stated they have fielded several calls about trades for TC. Insted they just let him go, two weeks ago he was a possible 4-7 round draft choice or a practice squad player they may have had interest in. The team still needs a real GM.:bang2:

and 2 weeks ago we had no idea how murray would perform on the field.

 

[Gibby!]

I dunno.. which DB was it that he was beating in a race a few years ago?

DeAngelo Smith. Who is loooooong gone.

 

[Risen Star]

1. I hate Kickers. Keeping two frosts me. No one hates it more than I do.

2. I wanted Choice cut the second he went out of bounds against Washington and saved them a timeout. Every time he has fumbled since then I have seen that play in my mind.

3. I would have kept Roy Williams as a 3rd WR option because our top 2 guys have some injury issues and the rest were too inexperienced.

4. I never would have let Jesse Holley make the active roster after a reality TV show.

5. I didn't want Kitna or any other dinosaur QB near this team after Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Brad "Noodle Arm" Johnson.

6. I say every year that I would draft a QB every year and try to develop them and trade them if I could. You know, maximizing the value.

7. I hate the 50 year patch that commemorated that milestone in year 51.

8. I never liked Hutch or Quincy. I said it was like arguing which was better diarrhea or constipation.

9. I can't stand Jerry's refusal to recognize properly our past heroes who came before his reign here. It took too damned long for Drew Pearson to be honored as he will be this year. I detest that he couldn't be in the last 2 years because we celebrated a new stadium and hosting a Super Bowl instead.

10. I still think we blew it not getting Henry Hynoski, even though Fiammetta impressed the hell out of me last week.

11. I was vocally against the hiring of Rob Ryan, the spawn of Buddy.

12. I don't like the green pants. I don't like that the blue on the white jerseys doesn't match the blue on the star. I don't like that the blue and white jerseys are not mirrors of each other.


This is just the tip of the iceberg. I am sorry that I don't freak out and over react to every insignificant little roster decision like waiving a guy, but I have more important things to think about.

But yet with all that, and some are laughably "critical", you still believe in the direction of this team year in and year out. Through the Gailey years, to Campo, even Wade. How has that worked out for ya?

Which is my point. Whatever the current state of the team, you're on board with it. You hated Rob Ryan so much that you immediately accepted him as soon as the move was made. We didn't get out of the preseason before you decided you were wrong. The minute he became a Cowboy you started seeing him in a different light.

I'm not freaking out over this move. It's the homers that freak out when they can't deal with constructive criticism. I'm merely stating this was a bad move made by a bad GM. And I won't pretend any differently. Now I roll on to the next move. If I like it, I'll say so. If I don't, I'll say that too. No agenda here.

 

[casmith07]

Um, let me help you, Buehler plays on our punt coverage units.

Field position, too.

 

[iceberg]

But yet with all that, and some are laughably "critical", you still believe in the direction of this team year in and year out. Through the Gailey years, to Campo, even Wade. How has that worked out for ya?

Which is my point. Whatever the current state of the team, you're on board with it. You hated Rob Ryan so much that you immediately accepted him as soon as the move was made. We didn't get out of the preseason before you decided you were wrong. The minute he became a Cowboy you started seeing him in a different light.

I'm not freaking out over this move. It's the homers that freak out when they can't deal with constructive criticism. I'm merely stating this was a bad move made by a bad GM. And I won't pretend any differently. Now I roll on to the next move. If I like it, I'll say so. If I don't, I'll say that too. No agenda here.

now you're just being stupid.

not whining day in and day out about every issue with this team doe NOT mean ANYONE is "on board" year in and year out.

geez some people are so friggin binary it's really just laughable.

 

[shockandroll]

In response to some posts in this thread, the Choice trade "rumors" weren't just media rumors. Jerry himself said he'd taken calls from teams regarding Choice.

Now maybe he was lying to drum up interest, but it wasn't just blog chatter.

Taking calls does not mean quality offers, it means a team/s called and asked what we wanted.

 

[casmith07]

But yet with all that, and some are laughably "critical", you still believe in the direction of this team year in and year out. Through the Gailey years, to Campo, even Wade. How has that worked out for ya?

I know for fact, as Hostile is my friend, that this is not true.

Which is my point. Whatever the current state of the team, you're on board with it. You hated Rob Ryan so much that you immediately accepted him as soon as the move was made. We didn't get out of the preseason before you decided you were wrong. The minute he became a Cowboy you started seeing him in a different light.

Again, false. Hostile is accepting of the results but still is not accepting of Rob Ryan.

I'm not freaking out over this move. It's the homers that freak out when they can't deal with constructive criticism. I'm merely stating this was a bad move made by a bad GM. And I won't pretend any differently. Now I roll on to the next move. If I like it, I'll say so. If I don't, I'll say that too. No agenda here.

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Doesn't make it right.