Teams who may take Austin for a 2nd?

[DFWJC]

A two seems awfully high for Austin.

 

[jterrell]

Most developmental WRs brought into the league as undrafted free agents do, you know, take time to develop. But since he took that time and hasn't produced what you feel is appropriate catching the football, nobody will want him. He's a quality kick returner. But I suppose that doesn't give him enough value.

Looks like we wasted our time even bothering to tender him.

And "known" isn't the same as saying "proven". He is known to this team. He also has shown he can play in enough instances to make us want make the attempt to see if he can contribute. It is not the same as saying he's been consistent and proven.



You act like he's the next Randall Williams. He isn't.



Felix Jones is also a first round draft choice and a special player. Austin is an undrafted developmental WR who might be turning the corner and making something of himself. But, per you, he can't play. Nice to know.

Its real simple.
Austin is a nice player and heck of a find as an undrafted free agent.

He has been in that mix every year as backup WR special teamer and has consistently displayed an ability to run fast in pads.

But his value does not equal round 2.

Round 2 is a serious pick that teams do not like to part with.

I am not trying to bash Austin, merely bring some reality back into the conversation.

Felix Jones was a latish 1st round pick. Yet as you mention he is special. I am merely suggesting while Austin is a piece we'd like to keep he is not worth a 2nd round pick based on what he has displayed.

A team could sign him and expect him to provide them with solid kick returns and decent gunner skills. They could plan to have him compete for the #2 WR slot... BUT the guy hasn't been healthy and they'd have to ask themselves what all routes he could run.

There is a reason the guy went to the combine put up great numbers and then went undrafted. The reason is he was a track guy moreso than a WR.
To some extent he still has that track look. He is fast and he has worked hard to develop but he hardly looks like a polished route-runner and his hands are at best a question mark.

 

[superpunk]

Take a look at the receivers found in round 2 the past few years.

Donnie Avery, Eddie Royal, Desean Jackson, Steve Smith (Giants), Greg Jennings, Vincent Jackson...

I mean, that's the type of players you're looking at in round 2. PLUS, they would be cheaper than what this new team would have to pay Austin.

No reason to think anyone is going to part with a second for Austin.

 

[Apollo Creed]

If the Cowboys gave up a 2nd for a receiver with 18 career receptions, questionable hands, and coming off an injury...

I'd love to see this board's reaction.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Take a look at the receivers found in round 2 the past few years.

Donnie Avery, Eddie Royal, Desean Jackson, Steve Smith (Giants), Greg Jennings, Vincent Jackson...

I mean, that's the type of players you're looking at in round 2. PLUS, they would be cheaper than what this new team would have to pay Austin.

No reason to think anyone is going to part with a second for Austin.

RJ was really high on guys like Royal and Higgins in last year's draft. Maybe he thinks we need a smaller quick guy with wiggle instead of another big athletic WR like Austin.

 

[DFWJC]

Take a look at the receivers found in round 2 the past few years.

Donnie Avery, Eddie Royal, Desean Jackson, Steve Smith (Giants), Greg Jennings, Vincent Jackson...

I mean, that's the type of players you're looking at in round 2. PLUS, they would be cheaper than what this new team would have to pay Austin.

No reason to think anyone is going to part with a second for Austin.

Well said. I hope Austin turns out to be great, but he is not even in the same league as some of those guys listed above.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Take a look at the receivers found in round 2 the past few years.

Donnie Avery, Eddie Royal, Desean Jackson, Steve Smith (Giants), Greg Jennings, Vincent Jackson...

I mean, that's the type of players you're looking at in round 2. PLUS, they would be cheaper than what this new team would have to pay Austin.

No reason to think anyone is going to part with a second for Austin.

Well said. I hope Austin turns out to be great, but he is not even in the same league as some of those guys listed above.

Ok, you named a few. Now go name the receivers from those years that didn't pan out. See which side of the argument wins out.

Let me help you out. Add in first round talent WRs too. :laugh2:

 

[jterrell]

Ok, you named a few. Now go name the receivers from those years that didn't pan out. See which side of the argument wins out.

Let me help you out. Add in first round talent WRs too. :laugh2:

Let me help you out and note any WR taken in the first 2 rounds that had 18 catches or less over three years would be labeled a horrendous bust and cut.

There have been a multitude of horrendous first round draft choices so why not just trade off a first for Austin???

You logic here = FAIL.

The value of the pick is much higher than Austin, period.

I stated we'd tag him as a second and have been correct thus far.

Now we can sit back and see if any team offers for him. No sense going to clown school arguing nonsense. It will be very clear who was correct shortly.

 

[DFWJC]

Ok, you named a few. Now go name the receivers from those years that didn't pan out. See which side of the argument wins out.

Let me help you out. Add in first round talent WRs too. :laugh2:

Your logic is way out of whack on this one, IMHO.

But, like I said, I like Austin...so I'm fine keeping him. Asking for a two just increases (but does not guarantee) the odds that he'll remain a Cowboy.

 

[2much2soon]

Let me help you out and note any WR taken in the first 2 rounds that had 18 catches or less over three years would be labeled a horrendous bust and cut.

There have been a multitude of horrendous first round draft choices so why not just trade off a first for Austin???

You logic here = FAIL.

The value of the pick is much higher than Austin, period.

I stated we'd tag him as a second and have been correct thus far.

Now we can sit back and see if any team offers for him. No sense going to clown school arguing nonsense. It will be very clear who was correct shortly.

Except Austin wasn't a 2nd round pick when he came into the league.
He is an undrafted guy that is coming along, and made huge strides as a WR between '07 and '08, based on the route running I saw from him in '08.

If someone offers a 2nd for him this year, then you can start measuring him against the 2nd rounders from this draft, not 2nd rounders from 3 years ago who undoubtedly had more experience, and played against a higher level of competition, coming in than Austin had as a rookie.

 

[Verdict]

Exactly.

Austin has flashed some potential but he hasn't shown any real tangible production. He is a solid but not special kick returner and he has great deep speed at WR. That's it.

He just doesn't have the production to merit paying a second.

I can not ever recall a WR with such little actual production over 3 years getting such applause from a fan base that seemingly hates everyone who actually produces.

I would love for all these guys thinking Austin gets an offer that forfeits a 2nd rounder to point to any WR that was traded for such a pick after 3 years of minimal production.

His situation is a little bit like Michael Turner's situation. I have said that Michael Turner might be a top 5 back when he was riding the pine behind L.T. with the Chargers. Turner got his chance and he exploded on the scene.

Miles Austin has all of the phyical gifts needed to be a very good receiver in this league. I think he will be if given the reps in a live game. I hope we keep Austin around.