Tebow jersey is #1 in the league (but how?)

[Zaxor]

WTH???

it's like you're arguing with yourself

no its not.. at least not to me.

I will try to explain and make it as brief as possible as I hate to type but it will lack tact and Political Correctness.

boo hoo hoo Look I am crying my crocodile tears... my team lost boo hoo hoo is not imho taken it like a man.

than when he says and I paraphrase now so you can get a better understanding of how I see/saw the events

the team that just kicked our butt was garbage and so is their school and coaches and the only reason we lost is because I didn't have on my superman cape, but it will never ever happen again... because I the great and powerful OZ... will it so.

now I hope that helps you to see that I was not arguing with myself at all.

 

[casmith07]

You all should really be hating on ESPN for blowing him up. Tim Tebow just played football and answered questions when asked, and was passionate about trying to win.

For the record, I think the Broncos reached farther than the Wizards did when they drafted Kwame Brown #1 overall.

 

[jimmy40]

no its not.. at least not to me.

I will try to explain and make it as brief as possible as I hate to type but it will lack tact and Political Correctness.

boo hoo hoo Look I am crying my crocodile tears... my team lost boo hoo hoo is not imho taken it like a man.

than when he says and I paraphrase now so you can get a better understanding of how I see/saw the events

the team that just kicked our butt was garbage and so is their school and coaches and the only reason we lost is because I didn't have on my superman cape, but it will never ever happen again... because I the great and powerful OZ... will it so.

now I hope that helps you to see that I was not arguing with myself at all.

so he said he was his fault, promised he wouldn't let them lose again, went out and didn't let them lose again and they won the National Championship. If that ain't taking a loss like a man I don't know what is.

 

[Zaxor]

so he said he was his fault, promised he wouldn't let them lose again, went out and didn't let them lose again and they won the National Championship. If that ain't taking a loss like a man I don't know what is.

can't help ya than Jimmy...I am not that interested in it to spend time in a long debate that won't change eithers mind set

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Usually when someone has a squeaky clean persona, it comes back to bite them in the rear. Here are some examples:

Remember Barry Sanders preaching to everyone about abstaining from premarital sex? It turned out he had a child out of wedlock himself.

Former MNF broadcaster Frank Gifford's wife, Kathy Lee, used to brag about how perfect her husband and kids were. Then he was caught on tape cheating with another woman.

And on a non-sports note, I don't know how old you are, but back in the 80s Vanessa Williams became Miss America and she put up this goody-goody perfect girl act. Well, let's just say some not-so-wholesome photos of her were revealed not long after that.

My point is, if you know you're not perfect, you shouldn't act like you are. Tebow has that holier-than-thou air about him. Like many others, I wouldn't be surprised if some "truth" comes out at some point. That doesn't mean I hate the guy. I'm just not as gullible as his persona needs me to be.

Far less than a hundred examples out of millions upon millions of people...

You don't have to look farther than our own Hostile. He portrays a goody-toochoo face on here, but I don't attribute an ulterior motive to him, or suspect him of being a harbinger of dark deeds. And despite disagreeing with him from time to time don't find any of those opinions to be filled with malice, other than his criminal hatred of kickers and the sport of soccer.

 

[Clarkson]

Usually when someone has a squeaky clean persona, it comes back to bite them in the rear. Here are some examples:

Remember Barry Sanders preaching to everyone about abstaining from premarital sex? It turned out he had a child out of wedlock himself.

Former MNF broadcaster Frank Gifford's wife, Kathy Lee, used to brag about how perfect her husband and kids were. Then he was caught on tape cheating with another woman.

And on a non-sports note, I don't know how old you are, but back in the 80s Vanessa Williams became Miss America and she put up this goody-goody perfect girl act. Well, let's just say some not-so-wholesome photos of her were revealed not long after that.

My point is, if you know you're not perfect, you shouldn't act like you are. Tebow has that holier-than-thou air about him. Like many others, I wouldn't be surprised if some "truth" comes out at some point. That doesn't mean I hate the guy. I'm just not as gullible as his persona needs me to be.

And all of what you said means nothing to Tebow's situation.
You don't know Tim Tebow. If you think he acts like he's perfect or would even utter the words about himself being perfect, you're even more far off than I already think you are. He is so far from a holier-than-thou attitude it's insane. He's the complete opposite, and your judgments come with no basis.
Like I said, he didn't ask for this attention. He doesn't go on camera for an hour to boost himself up like Bron Bron. He doesn't talk about himself. He plays his game. He's done numerous missions trips. He contributes so much time to help other people. Yet he's holier-than-thou? Give me a freakin' break.

 

[Clarkson]

I don't think he is hated overall because of his beliefs. I am sure there are some that do not care for the pushing of his belief system, but that's a small part of it. All you have to do is see how the media is falling all over themselves to follow his every move and overstate what he does off the field. And of course, this all-time overstatement is one I will never forget:

"In such a cynical, sarcastic society, often times looking for the negative on anybody or anything, if you're fortunate enough to spend five minutes or 20 minutes around Tim Tebow, your life is better for it." - Thom Brennaman

Perhaps some are buying the jersey to improve their lives.

I didn't say he was hated for his beliefs. Though how passionate he is about it will get some people riled up (for some reason).
That statement might be a little crazy but I would easily say Tebow's class, personality, and resume is a lot better than most any athlete can claim.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think he is hated overall because of his beliefs.

I don't think overall, but for some it's an irrational reason to pile on him.

 

[casmith07]

I didn't say he was hated for his beliefs. Though how passionate he is about it will get some people riled up (for some reason).
That statement might be a little crazy but I would easily say Tebow's class, personality, and resume is a lot better than most any athlete can claim.

Tebowite! Kool-aid drinker! Gator fan!
:

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

Man, there are a lot of delusional people out there. That is, unless they actually are psyched to be wearing the jersey of a guy riding the pine.

On a Cowboys note, I'm mildly surprised that Dez is at #15 already. Then again, he is a Cowboy and we roll deep.

I don't buy anyone's jersey until they've proven it on the field. To me, jersey purchases are like my mini ring of honor. They are reserved for the elite players, and I also won't buy the jersey of anyone unless they have been a Cowboy their entire career. Hence I never even considered a Deion Sanders or Terrell Owens jersey, etc. To me, buying a rookie jersey is a total waste of money. At least, if you're doing it before training camp even opens. Just my preferences.

 

[casmith07]

Man, there are a lot of delusional people out there. That is, unless they actually are psyched to be wearing the jersey of a guy riding the pine.

haha...yeah that's pretty shocking. that'd be like people on here going out of their way to buy Junior Savii jerseys.

 

[arglebargle]

haha...yeah that's pretty shocking. that'd be like people on here going out of their way to buy Junior Savii jerseys.

Hey! I like Junior!

On the other hand, I won't be buying his jersey. I tend to go towards players that I like, those who are hard working, admirable guys, at whatever level on the team. No triplets jerseys for me, but a Moose Johnson one instead.

I guess that means I can't ***** about the Tebow jersey buyers as much. Though I would really wait til at least after TC.

 

[tyke1doe]

It is just a gut feeling that something is hiding there, that all is not that it appears. But that does not mean that it will be so bad as being a serial killer or pedophile so that first part is just over dramatic examples.

I mean maybe something down the line where it turns out something like Tiger Woods. Where he had this squeaky clean image only to find out he is a guy who is cheating on his wife with so many women.

So the first part is just over dramatic examples on my part. But who knows maybe one day we find out that in his spare time Tebow dresses up like a clown and calls himself Pogo.:

Actually, Tiger didn't have a squeaky clean image. He was routinely criticized (not in the press but in out-of-press circles for his language and demonstrations on the course, and it has been widely rumored, though not reported, that Tiger was a, er, man-freak).

It's hard to keep that stuff under wraps because it's hard for a super star to get away without at least someone knowing where he's going, whether bodyguard or paparazzi or lowly workers connected to the entourage.

 

[tyke1doe]

Man, there are a lot of delusional people out there. That is, unless they actually are psyched to be wearing the jersey of a guy riding the pine.

On a Cowboys note, I'm mildly surprised that Dez is at #15 already. Then again, he is a Cowboy and we roll deep.

I don't buy anyone's jersey until they've proven it on the field. To me, jersey purchases are like my mini ring of honor. They are reserved for the elite players, and I also won't buy the jersey of anyone unless they have been a Cowboy their entire career. Hence I never even considered a Deion Sanders or Terrell Owens jersey, etc. To me, buying a rookie jersey is a total waste of money. At least, if you're doing it before training camp even opens. Just my preferences.

Some people support a player because they like him. Doesn't matter if he's not a superstar.

Nothing's wrong with that.

 

[tyke1doe]

Usually when someone has a squeaky clean persona, it comes back to bite them in the rear. Here are some examples:

Remember Barry Sanders preaching to everyone about abstaining from premarital sex? It turned out he had a child out of wedlock himself.

Former MNF broadcaster Frank Gifford's wife, Kathy Lee, used to brag about how perfect her husband and kids were. Then he was caught on tape cheating with another woman.

And on a non-sports note, I don't know how old you are, but back in the 80s Vanessa Williams became Miss America and she put up this goody-goody perfect girl act. Well, let's just say some not-so-wholesome photos of her were revealed not long after that.

My point is, if you know you're not perfect, you shouldn't act like you are. Tebow has that holier-than-thou air about him. Like many others, I wouldn't be surprised if some "truth" comes out at some point. That doesn't mean I hate the guy. I'm just not as gullible as his persona needs me to be.

You forgot to mention A.C. Green, a former LA Laker, who preached abstinence, was a virgin and ... waited until marriage before he had sex.

You forgot to mention Darrell Green, the Washington Commander Hall of Famer, who was and is a model citizen and a Christian. One of the few Commanders I really respect and admire.

Please don't fall for stereotypes.

By the way, what does "holier than thou" mean? And can you give an example of when Tim Tebow indicated he was "holier" than anyone else?

I think that term is tossed about too loosely, usually by people who hate those who try to make a stand for personal moral virtue.

 

[tyke1doe]

That game was over. Down like 3 scores with a minute to go.

Thank you.

And Alabama had the ball, which means the Tide was running the clock out. The game was essentially over.

 

[tyke1doe]

Just as you can not prove it was not... I can not prove that it was... Sometimes you have to go by what your gut tells you there is no other way around it...You may feel differently about the guy but to me that was all show.

Uh, wrong.

Your position is in no way the same. Your position deals with motive, which is subjective. The other position deals with observation and common sense, which are more objective.

Common sense: football is an emotional game. Some players are more emotional than others. Some players hate to lose. Some show their emotions in various ways, including crying. Players not as popular as Tebow have been witnessed crying on the sidelines or on the bench both in victory and defeat.

The position that holds that Tebow was crying because it was an emotional game is consistent with observation.

Your postion is based on motive.

Observation and motive are two different animals.

Observation assesses situations for commonality and draws a conclusion from that commonality.

Motive questions what a person is thinking internally. It is not as consistent as observation because it involves independent assessment of a particular situation.

 

[Zaxor]

Uh, wrong.

Your position is in no way the same. Your position deals with motive, which is subjective. The other position deals with observation and common sense, which are more objective.

Common sense: football is an emotional game. Some players are more emotional than others. Some players hate to lose. Some show their emotions in various ways, including crying. Players not as popular as Tebow have been witnessed crying on the sidelines or on the bench both in victory and defeat.

The position that holds that Tebow was crying because it was an emotional game is consistent with observation.

Your postion is based on motive.

Observation and motive are two different animals.

Observation assesses situations for commonality and draws a conclusion from that commonality.

Motive questions what a person is thinking internally. It is not as consistent as observation because it involves independent assessment of a particular situation.

you observed him crying I observed him crying ... you believe he was crying because the game (as far as I know he never came right out and said he was crying because the game) but you drew that conclusion because football is an emotional game blah blah and that conclusion you drew on has to do with your life experience and your belief that it had only to do with the game and no other reason.

but just as when a child cries it can have many different reasons...it hurt itself, it is scared, it needs a fresh diaper...etc...in order to find out you have to eliminate those that it is not...

now getting back with Tebow his worshipers believe it was a genuine boo hoo hoo....because he was getting his butt whipped... others believe it was just a show for the TV and others think he needs a fresh diaper because his shiite stinks too.


but it doesn't matter to me if it was motive, observation, or an act of OZ.... I think the guy is a poser and I am probably never gonna change my mind about that

 

[Clarkson]

but it doesn't matter to me if it was motive, observation, or an act of OZ.... I think the guy is a poser and I am probably never gonna change my mind about that

and you have no reason to think that other than a stupid hate based off nothing. you don't even know what tyk1doe was talking about (clearly), so I guess that's why you just said the same thing again.

 

[Zaxor]

and you have no reason to think that other than a stupid hate based off nothing. you don't even know what tyk1doe was talking about (clearly), so I guess that's why you just said the same thing again.

this thread is just getting silly I am out of it...