Tell Me I'm Wrong

[YosemiteSam]

11. This season is basically over as far as any playoff hopes go...but we found a QB...we improved the OL and can do more next year....we still need to add some youth to the WR mix.

No we didn't. The offensive line sucks. Romo just makes it not so glaring. Bledsoe displayed it like a trophy.

 

[ZeroClub]

#10 You buried the lead. It should be #1.

 

[ringmaster]

Well... look, we lost a heartbreaker...we have a new QB he almost went 2-0 instead we are 1-1 with him.... I know you wrote EVERYTHING that was wrong and went wrong... but still... at the end of the game... it was there to win.... Romo doesnt look like a quitter and the team will follow him....

we wanted to go 2-1 on this road trip and we could do just that.. we have been in every game... had a chance to win every one... that is better than not having a chance... at some point...we will hit our stride... its coming....

Attention: We cannot find the fat lady....

You know what let's have Wayne, as the head coach because he seems to know what he's talking about.

If it was up to him Roy, Ware, TO., ect would be on the street right now some of what he say is right but most is wrong how does he know whether or not we'll make the playoffs because he says so he's no astronomic prognosticator.

We need to stop this stuff with T.O., he wasn't the reason we lost to Washington, yesterday grant you he did drop a sure TD but the defense, bad coaching, and special teams were the culprits.

The NFL, is becoming a joke now T.O., scores a TD and celebrates in the endzone where it was only him and he gets flagged for it and everybody is crucifying him on how selfish he is but when Chad Johnson, does it it's great for the game this double standard needs to stop if T.O., can't do it no one else should.

Alot of us watched the Colts/Patriots game last night and we saw some shaddy officiating in that game like the Corey Dillon "fumble", and the unsportsmanlike coduct on Troy Brown to me they gift wrapped that game for Indy and I just stop watching after they gave Indy, the ball off a bad fumble call at the three I believe.

Something else to look at some of those "bad teams" won games that everybody say they will lose Chicago lost to a "bad" Dolphins team at the "invincible" Soldier Field, the Falcons lost to a "bad" Lions team, the Vikings lost to a "bad" 49ers team no game is a gimmie in this league not one.

Some of the posters here think the Cowboys, are inhuman or something they can't have bad games that no Cowboys player can't have off days and if they do they're garbage impatients at it very best.

The defensive scheme I don't like because of Zimmy, I've never liked his style of coaching from day one when he was annoited the DC job in 2000 that's who needs to go.

We better not overlook Arizona either because some are already looking to the Colts game and whose to say we can't beat the Colts it's a week to week basis for every team in this league because you're only as good, or bad as the last team you played and that's how I see it.

 

[Chuck 54]

Wayne's great post was screwed up by ME.

So what you see now is not what he wrote originally.

I thought I was quoting him but instead hit the edit button (an extra button mods have).

I apologize to wayne and if he wants to write it again I will delete this thread for him.

Sorry Wayne and sorry to all others as it was a very good post/thread until I screwed it up.

LMAO...after a day at work, I can't really tell the difference...what changed?

 

[Chuck 54]

You know what let's have Wayne, as the head coach because he seems to know what he's talking about.

If it was up to him Roy, Ware, TO., ect would be on the street right now some of what he say is right but most is wrong how does he know whether or not we'll make the playoffs because he says so he's no astronomic prognosticator.

We need to stop this stuff with T.O., he wasn't the reason we lost to Washington, yesterday grant you he did drop a sure TD but the defense, bad coaching, and special teams were the culprits.

The NFL, is becoming a joke now T.O., scores a TD and celebrates in the endzone where it was only him and he gets flagged for it and everybody is crucifying him on how selfish he is but when Chad Johnson, does it it's great for the game this double standard needs to stop if T.O., can't do it no one else should.

hahahaha....that's some funny stuff....I don't think anyone claimed I have the answers, I certainly didn't....no one said any of the guys you mentioned should be on the street either...I'm not sure where you got that.

My points in even simpler language were:

1. If we'd won against all the teams with losing records, including Washington, we'd still need to beat 2 very good teams to have a shot at the playoffs...now, we have to beat 3 of 4 very good teams to make the playoffs...I even said it wasn't impossible...just unlikely when you can't consistantly beat even the crumby teams.

2. Players? I said Ware is a very good LB...certainly the best we have...I just said he's not a very good pass rusher...if he was, he'd get pressure...Haley used to get double and even tripled from time to time, but he always got pressure every game...Ware doesn't get pressure often at all, though he gets an occasional sack.

I admitted that T.O. is great, but he has dropped an inordinate amount of passes all year, not just yesterday...and guys who make 10 million don't drop game changing TD's right in the hands, do they? He's supposed to be the best...you don't mind him dropping TD passes? And you don't think that penalty lying on the ground was selfish?...where's Chad Johnson's penalty since the new rules...I haven't seen one, especially not for being on the ground...and the sleeping thing?....and with a kicker like ours?

And didn't I call Roy a "great SS", "among the best"?

You have that much trouble admitting that he's not great in coverage? How can you begin to argue that with what we've seen the past two years?

I'm not really sure why you singled me out and put words in my mouth...all you had to do was pick a number and tell why you disagree.

 

[ringmaster]

hahahaha....that's some funny stuff....I don't think anyone claimed I have the answers, I certainly didn't....no one said any of the guys you mentioned should be on the street either...I'm not sure where you got that.

My points in even simpler language were:

1. If we'd won against all the teams with losing records, including Washington, we'd still need to beat 2 very good teams to have a shot at the playoffs...now, we have to beat 3 of 4 very good teams to make the playoffs...I even said it wasn't impossible...just unlikely when you can't consistantly beat even the crumby teams.

2. Players? I said Ware is a very good LB...certainly the best we have...I just said he's not a very good pass rusher...if he was, he'd get pressure...Haley used to get double and even tripled from time to time, but he always got pressure every game...Ware doesn't get pressure often at all, though he gets an occasional sack.

I admitted that T.O. is great, but he has dropped an inordinate amount of passes all year, not just yesterday...and guys who make 10 million don't drop game changing TD's right in the hands, do they? He's supposed to be the best...you don't mind him dropping TD passes? And you don't think that penalty lying on the ground was selfish?...where's Chad Johnson's penalty since the new rules...I haven't seen one, especially not for being on the ground...and the sleeping thing?....and with a kicker like ours?

And didn't I call Roy a "great SS", "among the best"?

You have that much trouble admitting that he's not great in coverage? How can you begin to argue that with what we've seen the past two years?

I'm not really sure why you singled me out and put words in my mouth...all you had to do was pick a number and tell why you disagree.

You did read where I said I was critical of Mike Zimmer's defense did you not.

Name me one safety that is all world in coverage you can say Ed Reed, but he too got burned a couple of times this season too does the Steve Smith 72yd TD, rings a bell.

You know how the NFL now caters to the offense nowadays so every defense can get exposed more often than not.

The TD celebrations if one guy can't get away with no one else should and you cannot argue with that one no matter how hard you try T.O., is easy prey to most fans and media talking heads he was selfish for doing a endzone celebration but Chad Johnson, does it then it's great for the game don't sit here and try to justify it for one player and condemn another player for the same thing that is what I was saying in the English translation.

And no I wasn't putting words in your mouth either the team just had a bad game and some people take football too seriously it's just a freaking game either they win, or they lose.

Like I said earlier the "double standards' around here need to stop

 

[Chuck 54]

You did read where I said I was critical of Mike Zimmer's defense did you not.

Name me one safety that is all world in coverage you can say Ed Reed, but he too got burned a couple of times this season too does the Steve Smith 72yd TD, rings a bell.

You know how the NFL now caters to the offense nowadays so every defense can get exposed more often than not.

The TD celebrations if one guy can't get away with no one else should and you cannot argue with that one no matter how hard you try T.O., is easy prey to most fans and media talking heads he was selfish for doing a endzone celebration but Chad Johnson, does it then it's great for the game don't sit hear and try to justify it for one player and condemn another player for the same thing that is what I was saying in the English translation.

And no I wasn't putting words in your mouth either the team just had a bad game and some people take football too seriously it's just a freaking game either they win, or they lose.

Like I said earlier the "double standards' around here need to stop

Okay...I think now I see why I'm having trouble conversing with you...but I'll make a final effort.

You make these claims of a double standard for T.O. versus Chad Johnson...tell me one time Chad has gone to the ground in a celebration and not been penalized.

You can celebrate and do just about anything you want, without props, but you will be penalized, and everyone knows it if a 2nd person joins the celebration or you go to the ground...those are written in stone...everyone knows it...it's been written and talked about all year.

Tell one time Chad should have been penalized this year and wasn't? Yesterday, when T.O. went down on the ground, every knowledgeable fan in the country smiled because it was funny, but groaned because they knew it was an automatic penalty.

 

[AdamJT13]

Tell Me I'm Wrong

OK, you're wrong about some of those.

And try to support your argument with facts.

1. This team is NOT going to the playoffs and doesn't deserve it. I don't care what you say about the Commanders, being on the road, divisional game, etc, we needed this game as badly as they wanted it. We weathered the initial storm and then had every opportunity to blow it open. Except for one run by Portis on which Ellis was out of position for the 2nd time and Henry got treated like a female dog by Brandon Lloyd, they had no running game and no Moss. Now we'd have to not only beat Arizona, Detroit,TB, and Philly (the losers)but we'd also have to win 2 of 4 from Indy, NY, NO, and Atlanta (playoff caliber teams). Impossible? no, but we couldn't beat Washington...get serious.

Pure speculation. Nobody knows whether we'll go to the playoffs, and we certainly could. Lots of teams have looked worse in the first eight games than we have and still made the playoffs -- and it almost certainly will happen this season, too, if we don't make it.

2. Our defense is way way over-rated...don't give me stats...

Our defense is not overrated, if you rate them properly. I would support my argument with facts, but you said you don't want them.

We had many opportunities with them backed up at their 20 or inside the 30 all game

The Commanders had 11 offensive possessions. Only three of them came inside the 30, and none of them came inside the 20.

, and we never got a 3 and out.

We forced three three-and-outs yesterday.

This defense is not even helping win games, much less taking over.

The defense has allowed 3, 14, 6 and 14 points in our wins. It's pretty tough to lose when that happens, unless your offense reeks. And the defense allowed 17 points yesterday. We scored 19.

3. Demarcus Ware is not a good pass rusher...period. Get up his butt and praise him all you want, but we should use him in coverage because he's not very good at getting pressure. If he totally beats his man 1-1, then yes, he can get any QB, but let him get blocked and he has nothing left.

Ware definitely is a good pass-rusher, and he's easily our best pass-rusher. He very often "totally beats his man," and he has had several sacks after initially being blocked.

The only time he did anything yesterday was when they dared to try and block him with a TE...Their tackles owned him all game, especially when it counted.

I don't think you watched Ware closely yesterday. He rushed the passer 15 times. On the five times he wasn't blocked by Chris Samuels (once against a guard and running back double-team, once against Mike Sellers, twice against Christian Fauria and once unblocked on a rollout pass), he pressured, sacked or hit Brunell every time. On the 10 times he went against Samuels, Ware won four times, Samuels won three, and three were "other" (one was a quick dumpoff pass when Ware was getting close, one was the screen to Cooley on the final play of the first half -- when Ware ran 34 yards downfield to make the tackle, and one was when Ware shucked Cooley before rushing and Samuels didn't even touch Ware until the ball was almost thrown).

Against Samuels, Ware hit Brunell's arm for an incomplete pass once (nearly a sack and forced fumble), hit Brunell as he threw a quick pass once and flushed Brunell out of the pocket and forced an incomplete pass twice.

Did you see anyone else on our team do any of that yesterday -- even once?

anyone who actually thinks he's going to be a great pass rusher is just not actually watching.

Anyone who actually thinks he isn't already very good with an excellent chance of becoming a great one has no perspective.

5. Roy Williams is what he is...a great safety who is not so great at pass coverage...once again, he is back there, but he takes a bad angle, misjudging the WR and the ball...INT. He's improved in coverage...he's no Archelletta, but it's his biggest weakness...that's a fact...to argue otherwise is to ignore game results that occur time and time again.

Of course it's his biggest weakness. But he's better at it than a lot of idiots would have you believe.

it's rare for us to intercept a pass.

It's rare for any team to intercept a pass. And we're 12th in the league in interception percentage, so it's more rare for 20 other teams than it is for us.

 

[TwoDeep3]

And try to support your argument with facts.

1. This team is NOT going to the playoffs and doesn't deserve it. I don't care what you say about the Commanders, being on the road, divisional game, etc, we needed this game as badly as they wanted it. We weathered the initial storm and then had every opportunity to blow it open. Except for one run by Portis on which Ellis was out of position for the 2nd time and Henry got treated like a female dog by Brandon Lloyd, they had no running game and no Moss. Now we'd have to not only beat Arizona, Detroit,TB, and Philly (the losers)but we'd also have to win 2 of 4 from Indy, NY, NO, and Atlanta (playoff caliber teams). Impossible? no, but we couldn't beat Washington...get serious.

I can think of numerous seasons where this comment was felt, if not stated, only to come back later to be proven wrong.

The Commanders took a win with some luck and our miscues. Perspective is what the current status calls for.

We are not as good as our best win, nor as bad as our worst loss.

Further, as things stand, we need 10 wins to make the play-offs. While this is not a done deal. Anything can and mostly does happen in this league.

It's why we watch.

2. Our defense is way way over-rated...don't give me stats...I've said all year that our defense can't stop anyone...I was happy with the goal line stand in the first quarter, but let's not forget that we let them drive 80 yards down the field with no running game. We had many opportunities with them backed up at their 20 or inside the 30 all game, and we never got a 3 and out...we let them drive the ball just about every time. This defense is not even helping win games, much less taking over.

If you review the game, you will note they drove down the field once. They were aided by penalties on any other occassion.

We shot ourselves in the foot yesterday. Correcting mistakes is what needs to occur.

Our defense has been handed some very tough spots. And as much as you wish to discount anything positive, please review the Carolina tape where we were down by 14-points to what some thought would be the NFC bid for the SB this year.

Again, let's think on an emotional win and a three game road trip.

Did you expect us winning all three? If not, which game did you pick as the loss?

3. Demarcus Ware is not a good pass rusher...period. Get up his butt and praise him all you want, but we should use him in coverage because he's not very good at getting pressure. If he totally beats his man 1-1, then yes, he can get any QB, but let him get blocked and he has nothing left. The only time he did anything yesterday was when they dared to try and block him with a TE...Their tackles owned him all game, especially when it counted.We still cannot pressure the QB...not only did Brunnell have all day to stand back there, but his line also created huge passing lanes...no push up the middle at all....it was sad. Notice I didn't say Ware isn't a great LB...he is, but anyone who actually thinks he's going to be a great pass rusher is just not actually watching.

This is absurd. How much was his assignment to cover yesterday.

Perhaps the team should have taken Merriman. But Ware is still a hoss on defense. And the demands made of him surely suggest he is better than your assessment.

4. Our secondary is not very good in cover two...big surprise...the skins receivers were open over the middle all game long, guess who has the middle...Lb's and safeties...safeties playing deep...ouch.

Well I hope this doesn't come as a shock but Roy Williams is not great at coverage. There were a few of us saddened by taking him in the draft.

He is a stud in the run game. And his hits are something to marvel.

But at some point a coach needs to suggest he look for the ball when a deep pass is thrown and not try to take the guys head off.

Really foolish play yesterday and one of the biggest reasons we lost. he had a pick against Lloyd, and didn;t even look up.

5. Roy Williams is what he is...a great safety who is not so great at pass coverage...once again, he is back there, but he takes a bad angle, misjudging the WR and the ball...INT. He's improved in coverage...he's no Archelletta, but it's his biggest weakness...that's a fact...to argue otherwise is to ignore game results that occur time and time again.The Commanders exposed us deep again....all teams need to go deep on us...they will either get a nice play because our CBs don't see the ball, or they'll get a penalty...it's rare for us to intercept a pass...Henry had two in the endzone and dropped them both, one resulting in a TD. Roy let one bounce off his head, through his hands.

Evidently I agree with this. Should have read further down before posting a reply.

6. Two point conversion in first quarter...stupid, regardless of what the cheat sheet says....period...too many various scoring factors for the next 3 quarters than can change the point spread in many different ways.

And yet if he goes by his chart, he is consistent. I didn't like the results, but Parcells has a system. It wins sometimes and loses other times.

7. Penalties....close to 200 yards in penalties....ridiculous, mostly by the defense. There's no blaming this one on the refs since replay after replay showed we were getting away with holding on offense again and again, not to mention they were calling offensive interference on the Skins, usually a sure sign that there's no favor.

This falls at Parcell's feet. He needs to fix it or get out of the game.

8. T.O.....still dropping passes....still selfishly getting camera time and a 15 yard penalty....then yammering back at Parcells who wasn't happy....he knew we'd get that 15 yarder...it's written in stone...you can't go to the ground.... with a kicker who can't get it past the 10....just selfish....we were lucky the Skins screwed it up....catching the kickoff at the 30, they should have been at midfield or around our 40. A great player? sometimes...is he earning his 10 million...nope...a 10 million dollar receiver doesn't drop a TD in a tight game....period.

Seldom does salary have anything to do with dropping a pass. They all drop passes. It was inopportune.

But how about the ones he catches when it is third and long?

9. We have two tough hardrunning backs who will be around for a while...you have to like them both yesterday and wonder why they weren't used a little more on the road....especially the short passes to Barber.

Fourth and two and we can seal the game. Barber loses two yards.

I think Barber is the real deal, and like what he brings. But there is so much more to this than a simple answer that condemns.

10. I know when to admit I'm wrong....two games in, there's no doubt about it...two different schemes bringing pressure, yesterday huge pressure on 3rd downs....We have us a QB, Boys. The Carolina game seemed to prove it....The Skins game nailed it down for me....big 3rd down plays again and again, under pressure....even the moxie to keep the ball and look like he's running before a last second pass to Barber that gave Barber the angle on the defender to run for a first down....the huge completion to Witten to get the win (oh yeah...someone blew an assignment and let it get blocked from the side). WE have a QB.

He is starting to win me over as well.

11. This season is basically over as far as any playoff hopes go...but we found a QB...we improved the OL and can do more next year....we still need to add some youth to the WR mix.

Then rent a movie on Sundays. I never understand this attitude. Even days they lose by 20 are better than days when they aren't playing, to me.

12. We also learned that T.O. is good, but can't be counted on as a sure thing.

Perhaps the only Eagle during the Super Bowl that was doing something. One game, one play does not change that fact, or that his presence causes double teams away from Glenn and the running game to play muchy better. Even with our lousy OL.

13. It's too early to judge this past year's draft class, but right now it doesn't look good...the first day looks very very bad.

I think you had a bad day and are venting. I understand it. I do it myself at times.

But this team is close in terms of having a great deal of talent. We are two games into Romo's tenure. Maybe we should just relax and understand this season - and the first in a great while - looks like it is actually building toward the future, rather than status quo.

Pick your numbers, and tell me I'm wrong.

*** I'm guessing we need to come up with some different defensive schemes for getting pressure and for playing pass coverage...whatever we're doing just doesn't seem to work against the NFC East opponents....If our defense could have gotten an occasional stop when the Skins were backed up, it would have helped our offense to have a short field.

The Skins made some huge errors, dropping passes, fumbling in our territory, botching the kr at their 30, blowing a sure punt downing at our 1 yard line...they tried their best to give it to us....but we aren't a team ready to take it....for the past two years, whenever our playoff lives seem on the line, we lose.

And we tried even harder to give it back.

Some days you eat the bear. Some days it eats you.

Keep your chin up. There is a half a season left to play.

 

[jay cee]

He bull rushes because he's trying to make sure to guard against the run. When you speed rush, you typically give up a lot agains the run.

People just need to watch other teams play. Every week I see defenses get the occasional the free shot at an unsuspecting QB because their blitz is disguised well enough and the opposing O-Line can't recognize it. I don't know when the last time that has happened with the Dallas defense. Teams pretty much know before they snap the ball who is blitzing and where they are coming from. The only question is whether or not the CB's can cloak the receivers or in the rare cases, if the QB can get the ball off quickly and accurately.


YAKUZA

I totally agree with that Yakuza. That's why I don't blame Ware for not being on a pace to get 12-15 sacks. I don't think he is put in a position to do that by the coaches.

I think he is an exceptional player and should only get better.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you're wrong

 

[Sarge]

I've been saying D. Ware is not a very good pass rusher for a long, long time now. I was disapponted when we drafted him (as some of you will recall) and he has done nothing to change my opinion of him since day #1.

No, he doesn't suck. But, for where we drafted him, I'm not real happy with his calibre of play.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I've been saying D. Ware is not a very good pass rusher for a long, long time now. I was disapponted when we drafted him (as some of you will recall) and he has done nothing to change my opinion of him since day #1.

No, he doesn't suck. But, for where we drafted him, I'm not real happy with his calibre of play.

it's hard to be very good when you're schemed against, and double-teamed, and teams go 3-WR to draw you into coverage, and you're raw cuz you're young

give it time

however, I can fault him for having only 2 pass-rushing moves, the bull-rush, or the corner, he has, repeat, has, to develop a bigger pass-rushing repetoire of moves, and maybe he needs to get a little nastier

 

[alancdc]

I would say that we have every big as good a chance to make the playoffs as any other 4-4 team does.

 

[windward]

And try to support your argument with facts.

1. This team is NOT going to the playoffs and doesn't deserve it. I don't care what you say about the Commanders, being on the road, divisional game, etc, we needed this game as badly as they wanted it. We weathered the initial storm and then had every opportunity to blow it open. Except for one run by Portis on which Ellis was out of position for the 2nd time and Henry got treated like a female dog by Brandon Lloyd, they had no running game and no Moss. Now we'd have to not only beat Arizona, Detroit,TB, and Philly (the losers)but we'd also have to win 2 of 4 from Indy, NY, NO, and Atlanta (playoff caliber teams). Impossible? no, but we couldn't beat Washington...get serious.

2. Our defense is way way over-rated...don't give me stats...I've said all year that our defense can't stop anyone...I was happy with the goal line stand in the first quarter, but let's not forget that we let them drive 80 yards down the field with no running game. We had many opportunities with them backed up at their 20 or inside the 30 all game, and we never got a 3 and out...we let them drive the ball just about every time. This defense is not even helping win games, much less taking over.

3. Demarcus Ware is not a good pass rusher...period. Get up his butt and praise him all you want, but we should use him in coverage because he's not very good at getting pressure. If he totally beats his man 1-1, then yes, he can get any QB, but let him get blocked and he has nothing left. The only time he did anything yesterday was when they dared to try and block him with a TE...Their tackles owned him all game, especially when it counted.

We still cannot pressure the QB...not only did Brunnell have all day to stand back there, but his line also created huge passing lanes...no push up the middle at all....it was sad. Notice I didn't say Ware isn't a great LB...he is, but anyone who actually thinks he's going to be a great pass rusher is just not actually watching.

4. Our secondary is not very good in cover two...big surprise...the skins receivers were open over the middle all game long, guess who has the middle...Lb's and safeties...safeties playing deep...ouch.

5. Roy Williams is what he is...a great safety who is not so great at pass coverage...once again, he is back there, but he takes a bad angle, misjudging the WR and the ball...INT. He's improved in coverage...he's no Archelletta, but it's his biggest weakness...that's a fact...to argue otherwise is to ignore game results that occur time and time again.

The Commanders exposed us deep again....all teams need to go deep on us...they will either get a nice play because our CBs don't see the ball, or they'll get a penalty...it's rare for us to intercept a pass...Henry had two in the endzone and dropped them both, one resulting in a TD. Roy let one bounce off his head, through his hands.

6. Two point conversion in first quarter...stupid, regardless of what the cheat sheet says....period...too many various scoring factors for the next 3 quarters than can change the point spread in many different ways.

7. Penalties....close to 200 yards in penalties....ridiculous, mostly by the defense. There's no blaming this one on the refs since replay after replay showed we were getting away with holding on offense again and again, not to mention they were calling offensive interference on the Skins, usually a sure sign that there's no favor.

8. T.O.....still dropping passes....still selfishly getting camera time and a 15 yard penalty....then yammering back at Parcells who wasn't happy....he knew we'd get that 15 yarder...it's written in stone...you can't go to the ground.... with a kicker who can't get it past the 10....just selfish....we were lucky the Skins screwed it up....catching the kickoff at the 30, they should have been at midfield or around our 40. A great player? sometimes...is he earning his 10 million...nope...a 10 million dollar receiver doesn't drop a TD in a tight game....period.

9. We have two tough hardrunning backs who will be around for a while...you have to like them both yesterday and wonder why they weren't used a little more on the road....especially the short passes to Barber.

10. I know when to admit I'm wrong....two games in, there's no doubt about it...two different schemes bringing pressure, yesterday huge pressure on 3rd downs....We have us a QB, Boys. The Carolina game seemed to prove it....The Skins game nailed it down for me....big 3rd down plays again and again, under pressure....even the moxie to keep the ball and look like he's running before a last second pass to Barber that gave Barber the angle on the defender to run for a first down....the huge completion to Witten to get the win (oh yeah...someone blew an assignment and let it get blocked from the side). WE have a QB.

11. This season is basically over as far as any playoff hopes go...but we found a QB...we improved the OL and can do more next year....we still need to add some youth to the WR mix.

12. We also learned that T.O. is good, but can't be counted on as a sure thing.

13. It's too early to judge this past year's draft class, but right now it doesn't look good...the first day looks very very bad.

Pick your numbers, and tell me I'm wrong.

*** I'm guessing we need to come up with some different defensive schemes for getting pressure and for playing pass coverage...whatever we're doing just doesn't seem to work against the NFC East opponents....If our defense could have gotten an occasional stop when the Skins were backed up, it would have helped our offense to have a short field.

The Skins made some huge errors, dropping passes, fumbling in our territory, botching the kr at their 30, blowing a sure punt downing at our 1 yard line...they tried their best to give it to us....but we aren't a team ready to take it....for the past two years, whenever our playoff lives seem on the line, we lose.

How can anyone prove or disprove number 1? The season is only halfway over and any "conclusions" are pure conjecture on your part

 

[Mansta54]

I think this post is simply RIDICULOUS!!! I stopped reading it halfway thru..

 

[Mansta54]

By the way, yes I think you're wrong on most of the points I read but thats your opinion and thats cool.... I think this team has alot going for it and its gonna show during these last 8 games...

 

[ringmaster]

Okay...I think now I see why I'm having trouble conversing with you...but I'll make a final effort.

You make these claims of a double standard for T.O. versus Chad Johnson...tell me one time Chad has gone to the ground in a celebration and not been penalized.

You can celebrate and do just about anything you want, without props, but you will be penalized, and everyone knows it if a 2nd person joins the celebration or you go to the ground...those are written in stone...everyone knows it...it's been written and talked about all year.

Tell one time Chad should have been penalized this year and wasn't? Yesterday, when T.O. went down on the ground, every knowledgeable fan in the country smiled because it was funny, but groaned because they knew it was an automatic penalty.

That's just it you have a blind hatred for the guy and that's your problem.

Your do have double standard about the whole thing.

So let me get this straight so you're implying that a TD celebration shouldn't be done with props.

So Chad Johnson's golf put TD celebration wasn't a prop his proposal to a cheerleader wasn't a prop dude get real.

Where were you then when he scored the three TDs against the Texans and and he stood at the star in the endzone was he selfish then.

It is you who is being selfish about the whole situation period.

 

[sonnyboy]

And try to support your argument with facts.

1. This team is NOT going to the playoffs and doesn't deserve it. I don't care what you say about the Commanders, being on the road, divisional game, etc, we needed this game as badly as they wanted it. We weathered the initial storm and then had every opportunity to blow it open. Except for one run by Portis on which Ellis was out of position for the 2nd time and Henry got treated like a female dog by Brandon Lloyd, they had no running game and no Moss. Now we'd have to not only beat Arizona, Detroit,TB, and Philly (the losers)but we'd also have to win 2 of 4 from Indy, NY, NO, and Atlanta (playoff caliber teams). Impossible? no, but we couldn't beat Washington...get serious.

2. Our defense is way way over-rated...don't give me stats...I've said all year that our defense can't stop anyone...I was happy with the goal line stand in the first quarter, but let's not forget that we let them drive 80 yards down the field with no running game. We had many opportunities with them backed up at their 20 or inside the 30 all game, and we never got a 3 and out...we let them drive the ball just about every time. This defense is not even helping win games, much less taking over.

3. Demarcus Ware is not a good pass rusher...period. Get up his butt and praise him all you want, but we should use him in coverage because he's not very good at getting pressure. If he totally beats his man 1-1, then yes, he can get any QB, but let him get blocked and he has nothing left. The only time he did anything yesterday was when they dared to try and block him with a TE...Their tackles owned him all game, especially when it counted.

We still cannot pressure the QB...not only did Brunnell have all day to stand back there, but his line also created huge passing lanes...no push up the middle at all....it was sad. Notice I didn't say Ware isn't a great LB...he is, but anyone who actually thinks he's going to be a great pass rusher is just not actually watching.

4. Our secondary is not very good in cover two...big surprise...the skins receivers were open over the middle all game long, guess who has the middle...Lb's and safeties...safeties playing deep...ouch.

5. Roy Williams is what he is...a great safety who is not so great at pass coverage...once again, he is back there, but he takes a bad angle, misjudging the WR and the ball...INT. He's improved in coverage...he's no Archelletta, but it's his biggest weakness...that's a fact...to argue otherwise is to ignore game results that occur time and time again.

The Commanders exposed us deep again....all teams need to go deep on us...they will either get a nice play because our CBs don't see the ball, or they'll get a penalty...it's rare for us to intercept a pass...Henry had two in the endzone and dropped them both, one resulting in a TD. Roy let one bounce off his head, through his hands.

6. Two point conversion in first quarter...stupid, regardless of what the cheat sheet says....period...too many various scoring factors for the next 3 quarters than can change the point spread in many different ways.

7. Penalties....close to 200 yards in penalties....ridiculous, mostly by the defense. There's no blaming this one on the refs since replay after replay showed we were getting away with holding on offense again and again, not to mention they were calling offensive interference on the Skins, usually a sure sign that there's no favor.

8. T.O.....still dropping passes....still selfishly getting camera time and a 15 yard penalty....then yammering back at Parcells who wasn't happy....he knew we'd get that 15 yarder...it's written in stone...you can't go to the ground.... with a kicker who can't get it past the 10....just selfish....we were lucky the Skins screwed it up....catching the kickoff at the 30, they should have been at midfield or around our 40. A great player? sometimes...is he earning his 10 million...nope...a 10 million dollar receiver doesn't drop a TD in a tight game....period.

9. We have two tough hardrunning backs who will be around for a while...you have to like them both yesterday and wonder why they weren't used a little more on the road....especially the short passes to Barber.

10. I know when to admit I'm wrong....two games in, there's no doubt about it...two different schemes bringing pressure, yesterday huge pressure on 3rd downs....We have us a QB, Boys. The Carolina game seemed to prove it....The Skins game nailed it down for me....big 3rd down plays again and again, under pressure....even the moxie to keep the ball and look like he's running before a last second pass to Barber that gave Barber the angle on the defender to run for a first down....the huge completion to Witten to get the win (oh yeah...someone blew an assignment and let it get blocked from the side). WE have a QB.

11. This season is basically over as far as any playoff hopes go...but we found a QB...we improved the OL and can do more next year....we still need to add some youth to the WR mix.

12. We also learned that T.O. is good, but can't be counted on as a sure thing.

13. It's too early to judge this past year's draft class, but right now it doesn't look good...the first day looks very very bad.

Pick your numbers, and tell me I'm wrong.

*** I'm guessing we need to come up with some different defensive schemes for getting pressure and for playing pass coverage...whatever we're doing just doesn't seem to work against the NFC East opponents....If our defense could have gotten an occasional stop when the Skins were backed up, it would have helped our offense to have a short field.

The Skins made some huge errors, dropping passes, fumbling in our territory, botching the kr at their 30, blowing a sure punt downing at our 1 yard line...they tried their best to give it to us....but we aren't a team ready to take it....for the past two years, whenever our playoff lives seem on the line, we lose.

I can see two things: 1) You know football 2) You care alot.

You're over reacting to a miserable gut renching loss. You want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

1) We should have beaten Washington. It was clear we were the better team. Just because we blow this game doesn't mean we dont deserve the playoffs.

2)Defense is not over rated. It's good, not great. But the potential is their. Potential does matter, without it there is no hope. Most of our problems can be corrected. The players have demonstrated the ability. We need to stick to sending 2 to 5 guys on the pass rush. We simply can not bring more than 5 guys effectively so why bother.

3) Ware is a good pass rusher. He's just not great or as good as we'd like. This needs to change. He does need to improve. Not for us to make playoffs but to make any noise in playoffs. A healthy Hatcher will help soon.

4)Our secondary was not good in cover two yesterday. They've had there moments safties are killin us.

5) Roy has blown a few plays this year. You need to understand that defenses are there to be beaten. League wants it so. How many times has he been in the right postion and kept the QB from going to the man in his area. You need to defer to Parcells on this and he says he's done well.

6) My initial reaction to that was ***! After a moment I realized that this was a vote of confidence in Romo. If your doing that in the first Q, you must have seen something that makes you think it will work.

I'll finish up with this thought. In the hunt for two wildcard spots sre the 5-3 Falcons and Cowboys, eagles, carolina, minnesota st louis are all at 4-4 and "tied" for the final wildcard spot. Do you really believe that there are two teams out of that five better than Dallas.

I believe we are about to go on a serious roll. Very much like in 1993 after the Dolphin Thanksgiving day Leon Lett game. If you remember that was every bit as gut renching as this game and it dropped us to 7-4. We go on to win out including a season finally at NYG for the division.
I see a little history repeating itself. 7-1 or 8-0 to take the Division.

 

[Dale]

I can't really disagree with any of it.

Yeah, the Ware thing is probably a touchy issue. To me he's been a "yeah, but" guy. He'll almost get there a lot, or so it's seemed to me. I do think he generates a little more pressure than his sack numbers indicate. And I do think pressures are a critical part of pass rushing. But the end results aren't the dominant number people expected.

I mean, entering the season, people here were predicting 12-14 sack seasons from Ware. I'd be mildly surprised if he gets 10.

For all his off-season work, he's on pace for another 8-sack season. Which isn't bad, but isn't that of the great ones. Ya never know, though. All it takes sometimes is one of those multi-sack games and you'll see a stat bump.