Terence Newman ranked the 21st CB in the league.

[Charles]

The trouble is, most people don't do the foggiest bit of homework, so they really have no idea how many INT's the average elite CB makes in a typical season. They think the average shutdown CB gets 6-8 INT's in a season, which is completely ridiculous. Darrell Green didn't average 3 picks a season, yet I don't see how anyone with a semblance of football knowledge would say he wasn't an elite CB, and probably one of the 5 best to ever play his position despite the lack of "big plays". Another problem is most of the big name publications just sprinkle the magic "Pro Bowl" dust on a player on non-stat driven positions, like CB and OL, and it sticks until they retire.

Totally agree. Stats never tell the whole story. If it did Green would have rarely made the Pro Bowl and ALL PRO selection and Newman would be a perennial selection.

Newman is a legitimate Top 5 CB, but the best thing about Newman is he's really not a liability in any area, and he doesn't need complimentary players for him to do his job ... unlike another "elite" player in our secondary.

I gotta disagree. Newman is a liability in run support. He's weak at the point of attack.

The standard for run support amongst CB are Winfield, Law, Mcalister. I can't forget Cooley taking Newman's jock to the End Zone in 2005 after a open field miss tackle.

Parcell even question his technique last season in pass coverage.

 

[superpunk]

Parcell even question his technique last season in pass coverage.

One quote about how Newman should have gone at the ball with his left instead of his right, or the other way around, in the end zone, and we arrive at Parcells questioning his technique.

You are priceless.

And that's not a compliment.

And the list grows....

 

[5Stars]

I gotta disagree. Newman is a liability in run support. He's weak at the point of attack.

Are you really serious about this? From what I have seen, and I'm no expert by a long shot, but Newman does a damn good job against the run...

Sure, he's going to miss a few here and there, but, compared to someone like Deion, Newman will come up and make contact...I have never seen him shy away from it...

I don't know about your statement...

 

[InmanRoshi]

Are you really serious about this? From what I have seen, and I'm no expert by a long shot, but Newman does a damn good job against the run...

Sure, he's going to miss a few here and there, but, compared to someone like Deion, Newman will come up and make contact...I have never seen him shy away from it...

I don't know about your statement...

One of the reasons Parcells could use Newman in the slot is his ability to play the run.

 

[5Stars]

One of the reasons Parcells could use Newman in the slot is his ability to play the run.

That's what I thought also...

I have never seen Newman shy away from contact. I HAVE seen him throw some good cross body tackles...he will mix it up! That is why I don't understand why Charles would say something like that...

 

[Charles]

Not calling you a hypocrite, you are a hypocrite. I chose our starting tailback's stats, and you declared those crap,

I called your point crap because you did't take into account Marion Barber's stats in your intial point. This isn't rocket science.

as Julius Jones wasn't good at running up the middle in the first place.

He wasn't...... every Cowboy fan with a half a brain knew Julius Jones was very in-effective up the middle, but you chose to knock Gurode down to Al Johnson's level using Jones's stats.

If Gurode was really an improvement, he should have at least taken Julius from "suck" to not very good.

Then why didn't Al Johnson do the same for Marion Barber in 2005.

In your words there's no discernable difference.

Why didn't the (Marion) back-up in 2005 dominate the way he did in 2006?

Wake up punk. In totality (as I point out by interjecting Marions stats) Gurode's presence upgraded the run game up the middle. You chose the pathetic stats put up by a below average runner (up the middle) to knock Gurode down to Al level.

I never discounted Barber's stats as irrelevent as you did to Julius'. Probably because I can handle rational thought. You can't understand it, and that's really not my problem, although it is pitiable.

I never discounted his stats. I thought it was laughable and idiotic that someone would knockdown a players performance without looking at the entire stats up the middle.

You use Barber's strength as support for Gurode, and Julius' weakness to attempt to make his stats irrelevent in support of Gurode.

Apparently you can have it both ways in chuckles' world....

I didn't make them irrelevant, I was just shocked that you'd only use Julius Jones stats to compare Big G and Al.

If you were thinking rationally you'd realize that we had Marion Barber.

If you were thinking rationally you'd give some credence to Gurode being a top 5 center in the NFC and getting a Pro Bowl nod.

If you were thinking rationally you wouldn't use stats from a plyer that struggles up the middle throughout his career to knock another player.

later dude. I got go

 

[Charles]

One of the reasons Parcells could use Newman in the slot is his ability to play the run.

Nope that was due to his ability to change direction in space, not primarily due to his run support abilities.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Nope that was due to his ability to change direction in space, not primarily due to his run support abilities.

he didn't say primarily, but part of the slot CB's job is playing the run since they don't normally run down the field, they hang around mid-field covering the slot-receiver on most occasions

you're right too

but in any event, it's been well documented that Newman sacrifices his body pretty well against the run

he's not Antoine Winfield against the run, but he isn't Deion Sanders either

 

[InmanRoshi]

Nope that was due to his ability to change direction in space, not primarily due to his run support abilities.

Nope, in one of his press conferences he was talking about Lawyer Milloy and what a great luxory it is to have a safety who can play nickel slot because you have to have a very good run defender to play the slot. They are often lined up close to the box close to the big bodies and are often exploited by running right at them. He then went on to say Newman's ability to play the run made him afforded him to keep a older/smaller Aaron Glenn lined up outside on nickel.

 

[burmafrd]

Some people will go after a player and nothing you say can make any difference. Its like the uneducated one and Henry. Charles hates Newman and that is all that matters. Its like Just Say No and all ND players- none of them are any good because he hates ND. Don't bother with them.

 

[riggo]

I have never seen Newman shy away from contact.

dunno if 'shy away' is the right term, but his attempt at tackling cooley 2 years ago wasnt highlight material. (its at the 3:48 mark on the vid)

 

[5Stars]

dunno if 'shy away' is the right term, but his attempt at tackling cooley 2 years ago wasnt highlight material. (its at the 3:48 mark on the vid)

It was one time! Jesshhh...give the guy a break. He's not a probowler like ALL your team's players are!

 

[Mansta54]

dunno if 'shy away' is the right term, but his attempt at tackling cooley 2 years ago wasnt highlight material. (its at the 3:48 mark on the vid)

Dude, TNew is a very aggressive corner.. He's never been shy to stick his nose in there...

 

[Deputy493]

That high?

 

[riggo]

It was one time! Jesshhh...give the guy a break. He's not a probowler like ALL your team's players are!

of course they are!

you did say 'never'....hey, i dont blame him. he came off a block shortly before that play with his back turned and betts hit him square in the back and knocked the guy silly. i'd be a little protective at that point as well. btw, i think newman is better than 21 as well.

mantsa, whats the word on the weather in G town tomorrow? heard we may get some snow. did you lose power yesterday for like 5 hours like i did (wynnfield, just off father hurley)?

 

[Hiero]

im sure its been said before, that list is horribly outdated.

 

[BHendri5]

Fact: Newman is rated 21.
You people can whine all you want about how good he is in your eyes, but you have no control over his play or the rating system.

Like you guys I have been watching people catch passes on him since day 1, and I have been saying the same thing since day 1, he needs to attack the ball, he does not have to get an INT, at least knock the ball down.

He is always around the WR, but he always lets them catch the ball, he frustrates me with that crap.

Deion spoiled us. I've read some posts that says Newman's play is equal to Deion, Tnew is no where near Deion's play.
TNew tackles better than Deion, that is about it, but Int's and balls batted down, and punt returning, Deion is/was light years ahead of TNew.

 

[Hiero]

Fact: Newman is rated 21.
You people can whine all you want about how good he is in your eyes, but you have no control over his play or the rating system.

Like you guys I have been watching people catch passes on him since day 1, and I have been saying the same thing since day 1, he needs to attack the ball, he does not have to get an INT, at least knock the ball down.

He is always around the WR, but he always lets them catch the ball, he frustrates me with that crap.

Deion spoiled us. I've read some posts that says Newman's play is equal to Deion, Tnew is no where near Deion's play.
TNew tackles better than Deion, that is about it, but Int's and balls batted down, and punt returning, Deion is/was light years ahead of TNew.

do you realize this list is years old? Surtain top 3 CB? Hes barely top 30. :laugh2:

 

[Deputy493]

Fact: Newman is rated 21.
You people can whine all you want about how good he is in your eyes, but you have no control over his play or the rating system.

I tend to agree with you....I think many Dallas fans vastly overrate Newman, especially on this board.........Newman is a good solid corner, nothing more.....those that want to put him up there in the top 5 or with the likes of Bailey are smoking something serious.

 

[burmafrd]

The stats have shown that TNew allows fewer catches for fewer yds then any CB over the last 3 seasons. And fewer TDs as well. But go on, keep repeating your garbage. No one believes you.