Terence Newman

[Maikeru-sama]

We didn't double Smith all day (despite Aikman's repeated declarations that we did), and we didn't put Newman on him on every play, either. About the only thing special we did was leave a safety deep on his side MOST of the time. But even then, all it did was guard against a long pass. They still could have tried all kinds of slants, hitches, outs and digs against single coverage. (On one pass when Aikman was babbling about how we double-covered Smith, Davis was playing TWENTY-FIVE yards off the line of scrimmage.) We also ran a lot of zone coverage, when all Smith had to do was get open, just like any other receiver. And he managed to do that only one time.

We doubled him sometimes during that game.

As you stated we also played alot of zones during the game, which sometimes he would run drags and in routes up the middle and would be wide open once he reached the opposite field.

But other times we did double him.

The schemes Zimmy was employing were weak and very predicatable as usual but then again they didnt have to pick it apart because Mr. Proehl was catching bombs all day.


- Mike G.

 

[Alexander]

We doubled him sometimes during that game.

As you stated we also played alot of zones during the game, which sometimes he would run drags and in routes up the middle and would be wide open once he reached the opposite field.

But other times we did double him.

- Mike G.

Just watch the game of the week that is airing tonight.

To sit there and say Smith was not getting open is completely false.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Just watch the game of the week that is airing tonight.

To sit there and say Smith was not getting open is completely false.

Calm down.

Where in my post did I say he wasnt getting open.

I have seen that game probably 8 times for DVD making and Bittorrent sharing purposes.

I said in my post he was getting open.

And on 2 replays, Smith gave a very sneering stare at the sidelines and through his hands up in frustration.

 

[Alexander]

Calm down.

Where in my post did I say he wasnt getting open.

I have seen that game probably 8 times for DVD making and Bittorrent sharing purposes.

I said in my post he was getting open.

And on 2 replays, Smith gave a very sneering stare at the sidelines and through his hands up in frustration.

Calm down?

I was refuting Adam's point that he wasn't.

Appipolylogies if you took it otherwise, brother.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Oh since we are on that game.

The crappy zone schemes Zimmy was running was horrendous. We were not getting any pressure on the QB and Jake attacked the corners, which is where those schemes are the most vunerable.

But the one 40 yard TD by Proehl was actually a good play on Carolina's part.

We were in man to man on that play, the 2 receivers on the left ran a Rub play, where one wideout picks the corner and Proehl was wide open.

If he employs this scheme against the Rams...man, can you say TOAST!!!

- Mike G.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Calm down?

I was refuting Adam's point that he wasn't.

Appipolylogies if you took it otherwise, brother.

My bad bro lol, I wrongly assumed you were talking about me because you copied my post in your response.

My apologies.

Yep, Smith was open alot...even Ray Charles could have seen it.

I think Jake was missing him because Proehl had all those deep balls and was able to get past the defense.

Those defenses are fine but man, Zimmer needs to mix it up, blitz out of it, move Ware around, throw some DLineman in coverage and have the linebackers blitz.

Just something that is "out of the box".

Hey, when you watch the game, notice how Davis is always talking crap to Smith when he breaks a play up. It was pretty funny and I bet that is part of why Smith was sooo PO'ed to have what....1 catch for 18 yards.

- Mike G.

 

[Alexander]

Oh since we are on that game.

The crappy zone schemes Zimmy was running was horrendous. We were not getting any pressure on the QB and Jake attacked the corners, which is where those schemes are the most vunerable.

But the one 40 yard TD by Proehl was actually a good play on Carolina's part.

We were in man to man on that play, the 2 receivers on the left ran a Rub play, where one wideout picks the corner and Proehl was wide open.

If he employs this scheme against the Rams...man, can you say TOAST!!!

- Mike G.

I am sure Steve Fairchild has noted this.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I am sure Steve Fairchild has noted this.

LOL

Adam usually knows what he is talking about so I know I better pop the DVD back in and start going over some of the film as he is sure to return with some good counter-arguments.

Might not be a bad idea if you did the same

- Mike G.

 

[Clove]

He wasn't feeding him because he was a little confused with the coverage we were doing against Smith, and Ware was in his mirror all day long.

 

[Alexander]

My bad bro lol, I wrongly assumed you were talking about me because you copied my post in your response.

My apologies.

Yep, Smith was open alot...even Ray Charles could have seen it.

But you don't understand.

You were just told, he wasn't. "All he had to do was get open".

So what is your problem?

I think Jake was missing him because Proehl had all those deep balls and was able to get past the defense.

No, they made a strange decision and out thought themselves and tried to make Drew Carter a bigger part of the game than he needed to be. They had the initial success and they kept going to the well.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

He wasn't feeding him because he was a little confused with the coverage we were doing against Smith, and Ware was in his mirror all day long.

Will have to go look at that.

Also, I am going to go analyze what Drew Bledsoe might have been thinking when he threw that interceptions. Looked like he threw it right to the corner.

- Mike G.

 

[Clove]

Will have to go look at that.

Also, I am going to go analyze what Drew Bledsoe might have been thinking when he threw that interceptions. Looked like he threw it right to the corner.

- Mike G.

He either wiffed it, or mis-interpretation of the route.

 

[AdamJT13]

He was open more than once.

Of course he was open more than once. Every receiver is open at some point on every play against zone coverage, it's just up to the quarterback to find him at the right time and make the throw -- which sometimes means a near-perfect throw, or it could be picked off. My point was that he got open AND CAUGHT THE BALL only once.

 

[AdamJT13]

The schemes Zimmy was employing were weak and very predicatable as usual but then again they didnt have to pick it apart because Mr. Proehl was catching bombs all day.

So first you say we doubled Smith "all day," which was false, and now you say Proehl was "catching bombs all day," which also is false. Proehl caught one pass early in the first quarter and one late in the fourth quarter -- and nothing in between.

Delhomme -- supposedly a Pro Bowl quarterback with a Pro Bowl No. 1 receiver -- completed only six of 20 passes to wide receivers, a whopping 30 percent completion rate. Yep, those are some pretty weak and predictable coverage schemes, I'd say.

 

[Manster68]

You know, hearing all of this stuff about Terrance Newman just ticks me off knowing how he is not going to the Pro Bowl.

Tell me folks - would you trade Newman for any of the six corners going to the Pro Bowl?

I sure wouldn't.

Newman mainly got snubbed due to the fact that quarterbacks really didn't throw his way. It is hard to intercept passes if the ball is not thrown in your direction.

During the Carolina game at teh local sports pub, I got into it with another Cowboy fan who thought Newman isn't all that good.

His first defense of his comment was why didn't Newman make a play on Santana Moss' two TD catches on Monday Night? (I'm not kidding folks)

After that, I told him not to bother me with this garbage.

Terrance Newman is the best corner in the game today.

 

[Doomsday101]

You know, hearing all of this stuff about Terrance Newman just ticks me off knowing how he is not going to the Pro Bowl.

Tell me folks - would you trade Newman for any of the six corners going to the Pro Bowl?

I sure wouldn't.

Newman mainly got snubbed due to the fact that quarterbacks really didn't throw his way. It is hard to intercept passes if the ball is not thrown in your direction.

During the Carolina game at teh local sports pub, I got into it with another Cowboy fan who thought Newman isn't all that good.

His first defense of his comment was why didn't Newman make a play on Santana Moss' two TD catches on Monday Night? (I'm not kidding folks)

After that, I told him not to bother me with this garbage.

Terrance Newman is the best corner in the game today.

I would put Newman with the top CB in the league today

 

[Chocolate Lab]

LOL... Some people don't like Newman and that's their right, but it's weird to see one of our own draft picks, who is by all accounts a likable, hardworking, clean-living kid, become a top player -- and some of our own fans want to discredit him. (Not talking about you, Mike.)

And as for Smith being open: Sure, he was open at times, like all receivers are. No one is covered at all times in zone coverage, by definition. That doesn't mean he was open consistently, or at points where the route is designed to for the ball to arrive.

And some of those replays were ridiculous... On the one where Smith drags across the middle and throws a tantrum, the ball was thrown immediately to the left side, so no wonder the defenders left him alone. You can even see the ball pass briefly through the screen long before Smith gets near the middle of the field... So for the announcers to claim he was wide open on that play is totally bogus. Troy knows better, but I guess sometimes even knowledgeable ex-QB announcers have to be dramatic.

Bottom line, we did a great job on Smith, and Newman was the guy on him most of the day. So there was a two-deep safety shaded his way 20 yards off the line? So what, that's what every team does to the best WR in the game, and he still manages to lead the league in yards by a good margin.

But if you want to believe that Carolina simply designed their game plan to ignore a top-10 player in the league and feature Drew Carter instead, knock yourself out.

 

[WilmingtonHeel]

Lab your right we sure aren't the first team that's doubled him SOMETIMES. I watched the Arizona game and they doubled him about 80% of the time but he still put up huge numbers. A player like Smith is hard to double anyway because he's so small, quick and shifty. A bigger receiver is easier because he doesn't cut in and out of his breaks that a quicker player would

 

[superpunk]

During the Carolina game at teh local sports pub, I got into it with another Cowboy fan who thought Newman isn't all that good.

His first defense of his comment was why didn't Newman make a play on Santana Moss' two TD catches on Monday Night? (I'm not kidding folks)

If you let him continue living, you should be ashamed.

I wonder, what the ratio is, of times thrown at, to interceptions or passes defensed for some of the pro-bowl corners and Newman. I mean, even look at our own team, when teams thought they were going to be able to pick on Anthony Henry all day long. He led the league in passes defensed, and was up there in INTs, because he was getting thrown on all day long.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

He has covered very good this year...but looked horrible on a couple of big tackles we needed.