Terrance Williams preferred Romo over Dak

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I wonder up to this day, if we would have won the Super Bowl, had we gone back to Romo as the starting QB.
I can see both sides of the argument.

Romo side -Tony should be put back in, he's the vet, better arm talent, knows the O like the back of his hand...

Dak side - Great poise for a rookie, rattled off a bunch of wins, better legs, got us to the play-offs and Romo had his chances, maybe this kid can do it.


Funny thing - you can almost run the same scenario if Dak got hurt in the pre-season and we had a rookie come in and did what Dak did his rookie year.

Would you wanna go with the vet Dak, who has had his chances or do you go with the new blood.
 

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To be fair he played with Tony when he was a seasoned vet, he played with Dak in his first 2 years...

So it stands to reason that Romo was ahead in the mental part of the game.
Well Romo made several WR look good like Laurence Robinson, Miles Austin and TWill to make a few. Amazing how Dez career tanked after Romo.

Who has Prescott elevated in such a way that Romo did several receivers?
 

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I can see both sides of the argument.

Romo side -Tony should be put back in, he's the vet, better arm talent, knows the O like the back of his hand...

Dak side - Great poise for a rookie, rattled off a bunch of wins, better legs, got us to the play-offs and Romo had his chances, maybe this kid can do it.


Funny thing - you can almost run the same scenario if Dak got hurt in the pre-season and we had a rookie come in and did what Dak did his rookie year.

Would you wanna go with the vet Dak, who has had his chances or do you go with the new blood.
You go with who provides the best opportunity to advance in playoffs.

If we had a GM that made decisions based on winning alone we might have seen a different decision.

Ultimately our GM went with the public pressure of a hot Rookie . Jethro was better off losing in the playoffs with Prescott than Romo. Public perception would have roasted him if Romo failed in playoffs benching the hot hand.

But anyone watching that Egirls game with the ease Romo moved us while watching the struggles Prescott begin having knew what the best decision was. The only fear was Romo getting hurt again. If he did then you had a great backup.

The results possibly wouldn’t have been any better but the Romo we saw then looked much like the one we saw in 2014. You always play your best talent if he’s healthy. We didn’t.
 

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Well Romo made several WR look good like Laurence Robinson, Miles Austin and TWill to make a few. Amazing how Dez career tanked after Romo.

Who has Prescott elevated in such a way that Romo did several receivers?
I dont disagree - just trying to be fair for that particular situation.

Problem with Dak and Dez is that they weren't a good match - Dak just couldn't throw that back shoulder fade that Dez and Romo feasted on with any kind of consistency. I will say that he has gotten better but still needs a bit more consistency imo.
 

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We like Williams now? lol
He was a pretty good No. 2 receiver for about three years. The body catching thing was a hindrance, though, and his career started nosing after Romo. Funny thing is that his best year yardagewise was 2015, when we had garbage at QB. I guess his numbers had to go up because of Bryant missing time. No one else to throw to, I guess. We did have Beasley, but he didn't really come into his own until the next year.
 

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You go with who provides the best opportunity to advance in playoffs.

If we had a GM that made decisions based on winning alone we might have seen a different decision.

Ultimately our GM went with the public pressure of a hot Rookie . Jethro was better off losing in the playoffs with Prescott than Romo. Public perception would have roasted him if Romo failed in playoffs benching the hot hand.

But anyone watching that Egirls game with the ease Romo moved us while watching the struggles Prescott begin having knew what the best decision was. The only fear was Romo getting hurt again. If he did then you had a great backup.

The results possibly wouldn’t have been any better but the Romo we saw then looked much like the one we saw in 2014. You always play your best talent if he’s healthy. We didn’t.
Nice post - yup it was one of those damned if you do - damned if you dont.

Yeah, I remember that drive vs the eagles - that was just a clinic.
 

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I dont disagree - just trying to be fair for that particular situation.

Problem with Dak and Dez is that they weren't a good match - Dak just couldn't throw that back shoulder fade that Dez and Romo feasted on with any kind of consistency. I will say that he has gotten better but still needs a bit more consistency imo.
I’m not trying to bash Prescott. He has his strengths . And obviously enough to build around .

But what receivers except for 1st round picks has he actually elevated their game. Maybe Gallup for a 3rd round pick.

Great passing QB’s generally elevate everyone around them.
 

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I dont disagree - just trying to be fair for that particular situation.

Problem with Dak and Dez is that they weren't a good match - Dak just couldn't throw that back shoulder fade that Dez and Romo feasted on with any kind of consistency. I will say that he has gotten better but still needs a bit more consistency imo.
Romo had to learn to trust Dez on that fade. Didn't like to throw it at first, either. Dak and Dez never got to that point before Dez faded and couldn't win the point of attack consistently anymore.
 

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No surprise he became a good receiver with Romo. He and Romo had some good chemistry and Romo gave TWill a lot of opportunities to make plays. His career started going south when Dak took over.
 

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Nice post - yup it was one of those damned if you do - damned if you dont.

Yeah, I remember that drive vs the eagles - that was just a clinic.
What’s really amazing is after they made the decision to go with Prescott and the disappointment in playoffs they didn’t even want to give Romo a shot at getting it back.

Ultimately it’s all about one thing with Jethro. He doesn’t want QB controversies. It’s a public nuisance. It’s why he’s never drafted a heir apparent as long as he has QB. Even with those Manziel rumors swirling , the morning of the draft he dismissed it saying he wouldn’t draft his replacement until Romo was done.

Dak in the 4th round wasn’t drafted to become his replacement . Romo’s injury history and lack of success in playoffs didn’t help him either but that team with the 1st seed still not having a great defense but closer to average should have gone deeper.

We were so close in 2014. Romo’s most effective season. I certainly would have liked at least one more shot with that Romo and a better team. And then let them fight it out in training camp. Romo would have probably got hurt again . Jethro doesn’t want that competition.

But good GM’s ride their best horse until it’s time to put him out to pasture not because it’s a better public perception move.
 

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Romo had to learn to trust Dez on that fade. Didn't like to throw it at first, either. Dak and Dez never got to that point before Dez faded and couldn't win the point of attack consistently anymore.
Yes, very true but I dont remember Romo and Dez looking as bad as Dak and Dez looked at times.

But again to be fair to Dak, Romo was the starting QB for 3-4 years where Dez caught Dak his first 2 years.
 

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Romo had to learn to trust Dez on that fade. Didn't like to throw it at first, either. Dak and Dez never got to that point before Dez faded and couldn't win the point of attack consistently anymore.
What good NFL QB’s can’t throw that fade. It’s a big part of a passing attack now
 

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I’m not trying to bash Prescott. He has his strengths . And obviously enough to build around .

But what receivers except for 1st round picks has he actually elevated their game. Maybe Gallup for a 3rd round pick.

Great passing QB’s generally elevate everyone around them.
I think "elevating their game" is an overrated thought. It's a product of more than the QB. For example, you could say that Dak elevated Beasley's game. Beas had his third-best receptions of his career and second-best yardage of his career during Dak's rookie year after just putting up third receiver numbers at best his first four years.

However, if you look beyond the numbers, Beasley was a main part of our offensive attack as we used him to work over underneath coverage while using Dez and Williams to draw off coverage. Without Dez in particular, the strategy would not have worked. In fact, it stopped working well when teams figured out that Dez wasn't as big of a threat as he used to be.

Laurent Robinson often gets brought up for Romo as a receiver Romo elevated. But part of it was we had Miles Austin coming off his second consecutive Pro Bowl and Bryant, who had 93 catches that year. Austin did miss six games, but Robinson wasn't considered a top threat on a team that also had Witten getting nearly 80 receptions and 1,000 yards. Being on that Cowboys team elevated his game. Romo was a part of that, but wasn't the only reason.

It would have been hard to elevate any receiver's game on last year's team when you're putting Lamb out there with the likes of Noah Brown and a gimpy Gallup.

And I say that as someone who loves me some Romo.
 

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Yes, very true but I dont remember Romo and Dez looking as bad as Dak and Dez looked at times.

But again to be fair to Dak, Romo was the starting QB for 3-4 years where Dez caught Dak his first 2 years.
Go back to Bryant's rookie year when he had 561 yards. He and Romo often weren't connecting and Romo rarely threw the jump ball to him. Even his second year, he had less than 1,000 yards. It took time to build the connection and get the QB to trust that if he put it in the air, Bryant was going to go get it the majority of the time even if he wasn't "open."
 

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Yes, very true but I dont remember Romo and Dez looking as bad as Dak and Dez looked at times.

But again to be fair to Dak, Romo was the starting QB for 3-4 years where Dez caught Dak his first 2 years.
Dez had some struggles early in his career . But the drop off with Prescott ended his career abruptly.

It’s almost like anyone who presents a negative image for Prescott, we want to get rid of him. Even Witten wasn’t as productive with Prescott while it was in his waning years.
 

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I think "elevating their game" is an overrated thought. It's a product of more than the QB. For example, you could say that Dak elevated Beasley's game. Beas had his third-best receptions of his career and second-best yardage of his career during Dak's rookie year after just putting up third receiver numbers at best his first four years.

However, if you look beyond the numbers, Beasley was a main part of our offensive attack as we used him to work over underneath coverage while using Dez and Williams to draw off coverage. Without Dez in particular, the strategy would not have worked. In fact, it stopped working well when teams figured out that Dez wasn't as big of a threat as he used to be.

Laurent Robinson often gets brought up for Romo as a receiver Romo elevated. But part of it was we had Miles Austin coming off his second consecutive Pro Bowl and Bryant, who had 93 catches that year. Austin did miss six games, but Robinson wasn't considered a top threat on a team that also had Witten getting nearly 80 receptions and 1,000 yards. Being on that Cowboys team elevated his game. Romo was a part of that, but wasn't the only reason.

It would have been hard to elevate any receiver's game on last year's team when you're putting Lamb out there with the likes of Noah Brown and a gimpy Gallup.

And I say that as someone who loves me some Romo.
But Beasley’s production did drop off. It wasn’t near as drastic as Dez and others. Fair point. How did Beasley’s production do at Buffalo. I’d bet that his highest production was with Romo.
 

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What good NFL QB’s can’t throw that fade. It’s a big part of a passing attack now
Learning where to put it where the receiver wants it and to trust him to win it takes time. Plus, Dez's ability to win it started to fade after injuries began to pile up starting in 2015. Foot fracture that required two surgeries and bone chips in his ankle also had to be removed that year, then hairline knee fracture in 2016, Achilles tear in 2018.

Before 2015, he did have a fractured fibula that caused him to miss five games his rookie year (contributing to his lower output) and a minor foot sprain. But that was all of his lower-body injuries up until 2015.
 

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He was a pretty good No. 2 receiver for about three years. The body catching thing was a hindrance, though, and his career started nosing after Romo. Funny thing is that his best year yardagewise was 2015, when we had garbage at QB. I guess his numbers had to go up because of Bryant missing time. No one else to throw to, I guess. We did have Beasley, but he didn't really come into his own until the next year.
Yea he was basically our#1 receiver in2015 with Dez out most of season.

Maybe Gallup can be the guy Dak can elevate with? He should be healthy at least going in this year.
 

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But Beasley’s production did drop off. It wasn’t near as drastic as Dez and others. Fair point. How did Beasley’s production do at Buffalo. I’d bet that his highest production was with Romo.
Beasley's? No. His highest with the Cowboys was easily with Dak. Beasley's production fell off because the other receiving weapons started to fade and defenses learned that they could bracket Beas and single Dez and Williams.

It's funny how Beasley's numbers went back up when he went to Buffalo and had Diggs and Brown taking the pressure off him. It takes a lot of factors to elevate a player. Most of it is who they are surrounded by.
 
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