Terrance Williams preferred Romo over Dak

gimmesix said:
Learning where to put it where the receiver wants it and to trust him to win it takes time. Plus, Dez's ability to win it started to fade after injuries began to pile up starting in 2015. Foot fracture that required two surgeries and bone chips in his ankle also had to be removed that year, then hairline knee fracture in 2016, Achilles tear in 2018.

Before 2015, he did have a fractured fibula that caused him to miss five games his rookie year (contributing to his lower output) and a minor foot sprain. But that was all of his lower-body injuries up until 2015.
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Isnt there any of our other receivers we could develop a fade route too?
 
Id like to see Prescott make a star out of a mid to lower round pick Receiver. Gallup could be the guy.

Great hands and possibly could develop that back shoulder or fade.
 
Diehardblues said:
What’s really amazing is after they made the decision to go with Prescott and the disappointment in playoffs they didn’t even want to give Romo a shot at getting it back.

Ultimately it’s all about one thing with Jethro. He doesn’t want QB controversies. It’s a public nuisance. It’s why he’s never drafted a heir apparent as long as he has QB. Even with those Manziel rumors swirling , the morning of the draft he dismissed it saying he wouldn’t draft his replacement until Romo was done.

Dak in the 4th round wasn’t drafted to become his replacement . Romo’s injury history and lack of success in playoffs didn’t help him either but that team with the 1st seed still not having a great defense but closer to average should have gone deeper.

We were so close in 2014. Romo’s most effective season. I certainly would have liked at least one more shot with that Romo and a better team. And then let them fight it out in training camp. Romo would have probably got hurt again . Jethro doesn’t want that competition.

But good GM’s ride their best horse until it’s time to put him out to pasture not because it’s a better public perception move.
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Another excellent post - what most seem to forget about that 2014 season was the play of Rolando McClain - that guy played good ball that year, and imo elevated Justin Durants game, guy was also ballin that year.

Sad part is Durant was lost in the middle of the season for the rest of the year and McClain got his bell rung in the first series of the GB game. He stayed on for another series but he wasn't the same and they took him out.

D took a humungous hit with McClain out.

On a side note wanna hear the starting line-up for the D that game...

Front 4 - George Selvie, Nick Hayden, Crawford and Jeremy Mincey uhhhh how did we even reach the play-offs with that front 4.

LBs - Ro McClain, Lance Briggs and Bruce Carter. And remember Ro was pretty much gone after the first series.

Secondary - CBs - Carr and Scandrick Safeties - JJ Wilcox and Barry Church...
 
Diehardblues said:
Dez had some struggles early in his career . But the drop off with Prescott ended his career abruptly.

It’s almost like anyone who presents a negative image for Prescott, we want to get rid of him. Even Witten wasn’t as productive with Prescott while it was in his waning years.
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The drop-off with Prescott had to do more with the fact that Dez was fading due to injuries than it did with Prescott. Can you acknowledge that Bryant was not the same receiver after his injuries in 2015 that he was before then? Witten also was fading at that time.

We shouldn't put that on the quarterback.

Amari Cooper had his top receiving season yardagewise and yards per catchwise in 2019 with Dak at QB. The next year, he had his top receptions year (the only time he has had more than 90). Was that because Dak elevated him or because we had Randall Cobb and Gallup then Gallup and Lamb making it tougher for defenders to decide who to double? BTW, Cobb's 828 yards in 2019 was his best year since 2014.
 
Diehardblues said:
Yea he was basically our#1 receiver in2015 with Dez out most of season.

Maybe Gallup can be the guy Dak can elevate with? He should be healthy at least going in this year.
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I do expect Gallup to have a bounce-back year. With him, Cooks and Lamb, one of them could definitely put up numbers he hasn't before because defenders are going to have to pick their poison.
 
gimmesix said:
The drop-off with Prescott had to do more with the fact that Dez was fading due to injuries than it did with Prescott. Can you acknowledge that Bryant was not the same receiver after his injuries in 2015 that he was before then? Witten also was fading at that time.

We shouldn't put that on the quarterback.

Amari Cooper had his top receiving season yardagewise and yards per catchwise in 2019 with Dak at QB. The next year, he had his top receptions year (the only time he has had more than 90). Was that because Dak elevated him or because we had Randall Cobb and Gallup then Gallup and Lamb making it tougher for defenders to decide who to double? BTW, Cobb's 828 yards in 2019 was his best year since 2014.
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So your argument is Prescott has the passing skills and ability to elevate receivers production? Even more so than what most would consider more prolific passers. Or benefitting more from situational football?
 
nyc-cowboy said:
Another excellent post - what most seem to forget about that 2014 season was the play of Rolando McClain - that guy played good ball that year, and imo elevated Justin Durants game, guy was also ballin that year.

Sad part is Durant was lost in the middle of the season for the rest of the year and McClain got his bell rung in the first series of the GB game. He stayed on for another series but he wasn't the same and they took him out.

D took a humungous hit with McClain out.

On a side note wanna hear the starting line-up for the D that game...

Front 4 - George Selvie, Nick Hayden, Crawford and Jeremy Mincey uhhhh how did we even reach the play-offs with that front 4.

LBs - Ro McClain, Lance Briggs and Bruce Carter. And remember Ro was pretty much gone after the first series.

Secondary - CBs - Carr and Scandrick Safeties - JJ Wilcox and Barry Church...
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The defenses we had with Romo as QB and the offensive line at times was criminal.
 
Diehardblues said:
So your argument is Prescott has the passing skills and ability to elevate receivers production? Even more so than what most would consider more prolific passers. Or benefitting more from situational football?
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No. My argument is elevating receivers is about more than the QB.

Just thinking of a receiver at random: Terrell Owens had only one 100-reception season (in 2002) in his career and his top receiving-yards season was 1,450 in 2000. Before that, he had just one 1,000-yard season (1,097 in 1998) and no more than 67 receptions in his first four seasons. Know who the QB was during his "elevated" seasons? Jeff Garcia. Know who his QB was before that? Steve Young.

There are really too many factors to even consider. It could be opportunity for the receiver after not getting as much previously. It could be blocking by the offensive line (if it's poor, the QB can't hold on to the ball long). It could be the other receivers and tight end drawing away coverage. It could be a strong running game causing defenses to have to focus on that. The QB is a factor, but just one of many.
 
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Diehardblues said:
Isnt there any of our other receivers we could develop a fade route too?
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Winning the way that Dez did? It's not that easy. Dez was never a receiver who was going to beat you with his route-running. He was never a receiver who was going to beat you with his speed. His game was going up and outmuscling defenders, and he was very, very good at it when he was in his prime. That's why his game went south so quickly when injuries took his legs away.

Are there other receivers good at catching the fade? Yeah. Gallup does a good job at it when healthy, and Dak does a pretty good job hitting him. He doesn't really like to throw the ones that Dez expected, where there's no spacing in the coverage and he has to depend on the receiver winning the ball. But that doesn't mean he doesn't throw the fade or that we don't have receivers who can catch it.

Dez was Dez, a physically intimidating receiver who wouldn't have made it in the NFL on just his speed and especially not on just his route-running.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
If he couldn’t win I’m 2014 or 2007? Stood no chance.
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You appear to be one of those who believe that winning is all about the quarterback instead of the quarterback just being part of the equation. We had a different team in 2016 than we had in 2007 and 2014. Hard to say that Romo would not have won with it.

Matthew Stafford couldn't win a playoff game in 11 seasons in Detroit. Goes to LA and suddenly, he's a Super Bowl-winning QB. It's all about catching lightning in a bottle. Now, since Garrett was still our head coach, it was always more likely that we were going to be struck by lightning than catch it. But you never know.
 
Is this really fair?

Williams began playing with Romo when Romo was a 10 year veteran. He played with Dak during Dak's first two seasons.

Romo had a better football mind.......DUH!

I suppose Romo would have told him in the huddle to get out of bounds if he catches the ball. Please forgive Dak, it was his first career game. Besides, he probably assumed that Williams would realize the obvious.
 
Says the body catcher. Dude would jump just so he didn't have to use his hands.
 
gimmesix said:
No. My argument is elevating receivers is about more than the QB.

Just thinking of a receiver at random: Terrell Owens had only one 100-reception season (in 2002) in his career and his top receiving-yards season was 1,450 in 2000. Before that, he had just one 1,000-yard season (1,097 in 1998) and no more than 67 receptions in his first four seasons. Know who the QB was during his "elevated" seasons? Jeff Garcia. Know who his QB was before that? Steve Young.

There are really too many factors to even consider. It could be opportunity for the receiver after not getting as much previously. It could be blocking by the offensive line (if it's poor, the QB can't hold on to the ball long). It could be the other receivers and tight end drawing away coverage. It could be a strong running game causing defenses to have to focus on that. The QB is a factor, but just one of many.
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I agree and I state that the QB is the more offensive asset out of that group of players but shouldn't have to carry the entire offensive production burden.
 
Hardline said:
Terrence Williams was so underrated here.
Body catcher. LOL
Michael Irvin was a body catcher.
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Lol no he wasn't. Him and his career 3k yards were rated perfectly here.
 
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