Terrance Williams says that Dak Prescott is a better QB than Jalen Hurts

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He was top 10 in passing yards, 13th in completions, 16th in attempts, 7th in completions of 20-plus yards and 5th in completions of 40-plus yards. His yards per attempt (8) was higher than any other regular starter but two. He had a very good year as a passing quarterback and better than Dak's, which was my only point of contention in this thread. He had not been better than Dak previously as a passer, but he was last year. Don't know why that is so hard to accept.
he also had a top 3 WR group, the best or a top 3 WR. a top 5 TE. the best OL in the league and a top 3 rushing attack. it helps if you have 10 seconds in the pocket (yes, I am slightly exaggerating).
 

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He made the plays he was asked to make, he wasn't asked to carry the team with his arm...I'm not sure why this offends some.
He wasn’t but he did carry some games with his legs….as a matter of fact he did it most of the year except in the SB….and it resulted in him fumbling….maybe there’s a reason they did that. To protect him.
 

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Sounds like the ones laughing were doing drugs. Don’t know exactly what they were laughing about, Hurts is more of a runner than Dak.
I think the ones laughing is their way of getting excited about the Cowboys.
 

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I think the ones laughing is their way of getting excited about the Cowboys.
As soon as Williams said Hurts is more of a runner than Dak they burst into laugher. Sounds like a bunch of clowns. Anyone who would find that hysterical must not follow football very closely. Wouldn’t waste my time listening to them.
 

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he also had a top 3 WR group, the best or a top 3 WR. a top 5 TE. the best OL in the league and a top 3 rushing attack. it helps if you have 10 seconds in the pocket (yes, I am slightly exaggerating).
No one said he didn't, but he was still the better QB. If we want to go back and downgrade QBs who had the best team, then there's a lot of rewriting history that needs to be done.
 

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No one said he didn't, but he was still the better QB. If we want to go back and downgrade QBs who had the best team, then there's a lot of rewriting history that needs to be done.
I am not sure I agree. there maybe 10 other QBs that could produce similar results given the same resources. we won't know, because those situations didn't exist. its not about downgrading a QB, its about the team. however, if he is the QB that everyone says he is, then similar results would be expected with lesser resources. Jalen was 8-7 when he wasn't surrounded by similar talent.
 

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I know one thing, if Prescott fumbled the ball in the Super Bowl and then lost by 3 points, there would be a biblical flood of threads all offseason, on all social media platforms.
 

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Fans go too far to make a point either way. The only point that is accurate is that Hurts was a better QB than Dak was last year. That doesn't mean that he has ever been a better passer than Dak before or that he ever will again. There were clear reasons why both ended up having the seasons that they did.

I do not understand why it is so difficult for some to admit that Hurts was better. The evidence is empirical. The only reason not to accept it is because those who bad-mouth Dak are insufferable. But it makes those who defend Dak look bad when they won't admit something that is factually undeniable. If they want to say that Dak has had the better career so far, that's certainly accurate. They want to say he was better two years ago, that's also accurate. But last year, the bottom line is that Hurts was better.
Look you're entitled to your opinion and I'm gonna stick to the fact that Hertz played slightly better because his team gave him the benefits to allow him to play better he had better play calling better talent around him and the success correlates directly to that my point is Prescott got most of that taken away from him in the offseason they were slow to adjust during the regular season with his offensive line the run game and his weapons at receiver then he breaks his hand has to come back from that you can't make a fair comparison unless you bring up context and facts the fact is Hertz may have played slightly better but only because he had that benefit

I mean a good analogy would be say there were two races the first heat race happened early in the day it was perfect no wind no nothing,

the second Heat race things changed it got wet ,there was a headwind, and in this race no one decided to take that into account therefore the first heat the guy who won that got to race in perfect conditions and his time afforded him to go to the Olympics by a tenth of a second, even though the second guy and the second he just barely finished behind him but he had to fight through bad conditions...

if things were reversed how do you think it would have turned out??

good thing in track they actually do take those things into account typically I'm not an expert but they don't allow records without asterisks and they take wind and all that stuff into account...

I'm just saying that's how it works, Hurts had a lot better situation last year and played slightly better. But Prescott wasn't far behind, I mean outside of some really awful bounces and tips that cause his interception rate to go up he still had 25 passing touchdowns still destroyed Tampa Bay in the playoffs and we ended up having to play the 49ers with a full complement of a team where Hurtz got to just skate through the playoffs playing the giants and a broke down 49ers team...

and then when they had to face the better team, they got beat... But if you want to take that a step further why didn't hurts win the Super bowl was it because of his play or was it because of his team I'd say I blame the defense, although he did fumble the football but I'm still not directly blaming him because he played well enough to win put up points but his defense didn't..

It's about content and perspective but most of this is how you view it and my point of view which is a difference of opinion from yours,

I believe Prescott on that Eagles team or Prescott on that Rams team with Matthew Stafford it would have had the same results it comes down to the team and the circumstance.
 

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I am not sure I agree. there maybe 10 other QBs that could produce similar results given the same resources. we won't know, because those situations didn't exist. its not about downgrading a QB, its about the team. however, if he is the QB that everyone says he is, then similar results would be expected with lesser resources. Jalen was 8-7 when he wasn't surrounded by similar talent.
He also was a developing QB in his first year starting when his team was 8-7. We don't know if he is who he was last year, who he was the year before or somewhere in between. Same thing happened with Dak in 2016, but, of course, it was his rookie year. He set an impossible high standard that he's only been able to come close to duplicating one time since (in 2021) based on QB ratings.

Dak's work as a QB then doesn't have an asterisk next to it because of the team he was on, and Hurts' shouldn't either. He either was better or he wasn't better ... and he was better. Again, it does not mean he will be this year. Circumstances change. Dak should have better receivers around him, which should improve his play.
 

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He also was a developing QB in his first year starting when his team was 8-7. We don't know if he is who he was last year, who he was the year before or somewhere in between. Same thing happened with Dak in 2016, but, of course, it was his rookie year. He set an impossible high standard that he's only been able to come close to duplicating one time since (in 2021) based on QB ratings.

Dak's work as a QB then doesn't have an asterisk next to it because of the team he was on, and Hurts' shouldn't either. He either was better or he wasn't better ... and he was better. Again, it does not mean he will be this year. Circumstances change. Dak should have better receivers around him, which should improve his play.
good response. I can't say I disagree. my opinion has always been the notion that a QB does it all by himself and can make Filet out of a pile of crap is a fantasy and wrong narrative. better QBs, Elite QBs need less to succeed, but they all have good teams around them and it comes down to what they are able to do when given those resources.
 

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I believe Prescott on that Eagles team or Prescott on that Rams team with Matthew Stafford it would have had the same results it comes down to the team and the circumstance.
You can believe that, but there's no way for us to know it. I mean, part of the reason for Hurts' success is because he was so good at running the ball. That, along with a good running game overall, kept defenses from being able to just focus on the passing game. His ability created problems for defenses that were specific to what he could do as a quarterback. Would Philly have used Dak in the same way, with the same amount of success?

Arguments like this remind me of all the endlessly ignorant debates about Emmitt Smith being the NFL's leading rusher. There's no doubt that Emmitt was in a good situation in Dallas, but that should not take away one bit from what he accomplished and how good he was. Would Barry Sanders have done just as well in Dallas? Possibly. Would other backs? Possibly. But at the end of the day, Smith is still the NFL's career leader.

At the end of last year, Hurts had a better season as a QB than Prescott. He was the better QB for that season. Doesn't mean anything beyond that, but it's still the unmitigated truth based on the evidence at hand. Speculation doesn't change that. Hopefully, it won't be the truth this year.
 

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good response. I can't say I disagree. my opinion has always been the notion that a QB does it all by himself and can make Filet out of a pile of crap is a fantasy and wrong narrative. better QBs, Elite QBs need less to succeed, but they all have good teams around them and it comes down to what they are able to do when given those resources.
I agree on the narrative, but it has to be applied across the board. A lot of the time, we apply it when it conveniently supports our argument. To make a case against Hurts last season, you have to retroactively make a case against any quarterback who had a good season. Would Patrick Mahomes have been the top quarterback in the NFL if he was on the Houston Texans? Would Trevor Lawrence have been the top quarterback in the NFL if he was on the Chiefs? Maybe yes, maybe no. But using those possibilities to downgrade their seasons would be wrong because we don't know. How many of the reasons the Chiefs were so good had to do with having Mahomes at QB? How many of the reasons for the Eagles' success had to do with Hurts?

I don't like to play what-if games because there's no way of knowing. The QB is part of the team they are on, and we can only judge their success or failure based on their set of circumstances because we have no idea how it would have played out otherwise. We can take an educated guess, but that's all it is, a guess.
 

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T Will go sit down somewhere. No body cares what you think.
 

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I wonder how many of the 32 NFL GMs would take Dak over Hurts right now
 

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He wasn't last year. In addition to his ability as a runner, Hurts completed 66.5 percent of his passes for 4,280 yards and 25 TDs, with only 6 ints. (He rushed for 903 yards and 18 TDs.) About the only thing he did poorly was having 11 fumbles.

Prescott's completion percentage was slightly higher at 66.6, but he threw for fewer yards (3,371), slightly more TDs (28) and quite a bit more ints. (17). (He added 228 rushing yards, 2 TDs, 4 fumbles.)

Doesn't mean Hurts will be the better QB this year, but it would be difficult to justify saying Dak was better last year. And that's not meant to bash Dak, just to say I think there's a tendency to downplay how well Hurts played. I expected him to just continue being a good running QB who wasn't really much of a threat as a passer. That wasn't the case. Hopefully, it is this year, though.
I think it's a fair thought, Dak is probably still the better passer, but at what point does the dual threat ability make Jalen the better overall QB?

The NFL is such a year to year league though, it could have been Jalen's best year that he'll never repeat. I just have a hard time saying who's better cross comparing after a single season. The answer would be too easy, and think you have to consider atleast a 2 season trend to properly analyze.
 

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Sure he is maybe in Wakanda or some other make-believe land.
Hey, Dak hit us up when you can get past the Niners then maybe will have something to talk about.
P.S. Dak is waiting for the Niners to get old or filled with injuries so like the Bucs his fans can proclaim his greatness to the world!!!
 
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