Tevin Coleman's 40

[DFWJC]

My guess is that DMC runs closer to a 4.5+ than a sub 4.4.
Backs don't get faster after 7 years in the league....quite the opposite.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Many of us make the mistake of watching highlight reels. Watch this game reel. While many of the runs are not blocked well, I see a guy who runs upright, is a long strider, is not that physical, and most importantly does not make defenders miss in the hole. When the run is blocked well, he can burst through the hole because he is fast. But even with our line, not that many runs in the NFL are blocked to the point where the RB doesn't have to make defenders miss in the hole. I just don't see a special back here. Not to mention the two fumbles and the surgically repaired foot. Not a favorite of mine.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Many of us make the mistake of watching highlight reels. Watch this game reel. While many of the runs are not blocked well, I see a guy who runs upright, is a long strider, is not that physical, and most importantly does not make defenders miss in the hole. When the run is blocked well, he can burst through the hole because he is fast. But even with our line, not that many runs in the NFL are blocked to the point where the RB doesn't have to make defenders miss in the hole. I just don't see a special back here. Not to mention the two fumbles and the surgically repaired foot. Not a favorite of mine.

By contrast, here is a game reel for Melvin Gordon vs. Auburn (a talented SEC team). Watch how many guys he makes miss in the hole. Big difference.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

By contrast, here is a game reel for Melvin Gordon vs. Auburn (a talented SEC team). Watch how many guys he makes miss in the hole. Big difference.

Thanks for that. I was looking for highlights to post but he makes 3 or more moves in most of his highlights so aspiring film editors use it to spam their adobe/motion 'skills.'

It also appears like Gordon was on sportscenter a lot. Coleman reminds me of Leveon Bell. Gordon reminds me of Gayle Sayers.

 

[jday]

Many of us make the mistake of watching highlight reels. Watch this game reel. While many of the runs are not blocked well, I see a guy who runs upright, is a long strider, is not that physical, and most importantly does not make defenders miss in the hole. When the run is blocked well, he can burst through the hole because he is fast. But even with our line, not that many runs in the NFL are blocked to the point where the RB doesn't have to make defenders miss in the hole. I just don't see a special back here. Not to mention the two fumbles and the surgically repaired foot. Not a favorite of mine.

There is disaster-potential inherent with all the RB's available in this draft. What intrigues me about Coleman is the fact that he played with the foot injury with no complaint, displays better overall technique in the passblocking/blitzpickup according to the reports I have read, and may be even better than what his 2,036 yards 7.5 yards per carry in an offense that is predominantly a run-only scheme due to horrible injury-related bad luck at the QB position already suggest. *inhales deeply*


That injury wouldn't just simply effect his speed...it would effect everything a Runningback is measured by. His ability to cut, quickly turn direction, his ability to put his shoulder down to get more yards, and etc would be negatively impacted. So, while Gurley and Gordon are clear favorites to the majority, I would not be dissappointed to see the Cowboys draft Coleman...just preferably following a trade down into the second, if they can pull it off. Given the RB need across the league, I'm not confident 1 of the 3 make it to 60.

 

[locked&loaded]

Thanks for that. I was looking for highlights to post but he makes 3 or more moves in most of his highlights so aspiring film editors use it to spam their adobe/motion 'skills.'

It also appears like Gordon was on sportscenter a lot. Coleman reminds me of Leveon Bell. Gordon reminds me of Gayle Sayers.

I dont know about the Coleman and Bell comparison. Bell is like 30 lbs heavier and .2 slower in the 40.

Coleman actually kind of reminds me of a slower michael bennett (badgers rb that had one good season with minnesota). But bennett had elite speed. Coleman is a gear below that.

 

[locked&loaded]

There is disaster-potential inherent with all the RB's available in this draft. What intrigues me about Coleman is the fact that he played with the foot injury with no complaint, displays better overall technique in the passblocking/blitzpickup according to the reports I have read, and may be even better than what his 2,036 yards 7.5 yards per carry in an offense that is predominantly a run-only scheme due to horrible injury-related bad luck at the QB position already suggest. *inhales deeply*


That injury wouldn't just simply effect his speed...it would effect everything a Runningback is measured by. His ability to cut, quickly turn direction, his ability to put his shoulder down to get more yards, and etc would be negatively impacted. So, while Gurley and Gordon are clear favorites to the majority, I would not be dissappointed to see the Cowboys draft Coleman...just preferably following a trade down into the second, if they can pull it off. Given the RB need across the league, I'm not confident 1 of the 3 make it to 60.

He may have played through a broken bone in his foot, but he missed 3 games the year prior with a sprained ankle.

Lets not pretend like the guy can play through anything. This whole him playing with a broken bone in his foot being some type of football miracle is getting more than a tad hyperbolic.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Murray relished the dirty yards. No one excelled in picking up dirty yards more than Murray did in 2014, that includes Beast Mode himself.

Are you sure about that? Is there a stat somewhere that shows this? It would seem if he had the most yards before being touched that it would be hard for him to also have the most yards after contact.

 

[theogt]

Just confirms what a lot of us could see with our eyes. The guy has breakaway speed.

Unlike Murray, when he gets into the open field, it's a house call. I'm just not sure about his ability to be a chain mover like Murray was.

That's it. If people are happy with 2 yards, 1 yard, -1 yard, 2 yards, 90 yard TD, then this is the guy.

 

[theogt]

Are you sure about that? Is there a stat somewhere that shows this? It would seem if he had the most yards before being touched that it would be hard for him to also have the most yards after contact.

Murray had almost 1000 yards after contact.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/04/free-agent-profile-demarco-murray/

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

He may have played through a broken bone in his foot, but he missed 3 games the year prior with a sprained ankle.

Lets not pretend like the guy can play through anything. This whole him playing with a broken bone in his foot being some type of football miracle is getting more than a tad hyperbolic.

Murray had almost 1000 yards after contact.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/04/free-agent-profile-demarco-murray/

Ok, I thought he had over 1000 before contact but it was 847 before contact apparently, which was surprisingly only the 14th highest percentage in the league. He had one hell of a year. It's not gonna be as easy as we think to replace him.

 

[BAT]

Ok, I thought he had over 1000 before contact but it was 847 before contact apparently, which was surprisingly only the 14th highest percentage in the league. He had one hell of a year. It's not gonna be as easy as we think to replace him.

I don't blame you for thinking Murray had more yards before contact, that is the ant-Murray contingent who repeated that nonsense until everyone thought it was the truth. Same people likely convinced Jerry of that too.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I don't blame you for thinking Murray had more yards before contact, that is the ant-Murray contingent who repeated that nonsense until everyone thought it was the truth. Same people likely convinced Jerry of that too.

I know through the first 6 or 7 games the number was really high. It's interesting, seems like there was a lot of really good from the OL but also some really good from the RB. Not only close to 1000 yds after contact he also had the second highest number of missed tackles against him.

 

[BAT]

I know through the first 6 or 7 games the number was really high. It's interesting, seems like there was a lot of really good from the OL but also some really good from the RB. Not only close to 1000 yds after contact he also had the second highest number of missed tackles against him.

Another interesting tidbit is that Murray did all that and led the league in rushing behind the SECOND best run blocking OL.

 

[Brooksey]

that would've fastest of all RB's at this years combine. If it sticks he won't be there at 60 like I was hoping.

Some have NE taking him at 32.

 

[VACowboy]

Jesus he's fast for a big dude. Love to get him

Peoples' concept of "big" is fascinating.

Player A is 5-11, 206 and a "big dude." Player B is 5-9, 207 and "too small."

I'll post this link again just because it's a great read, and I think really lends perspective to this discussion...

https://www.bsports.com/statsinsigh...rter-a-statistical-investigation#.VS-mbM7e7zI

 

[Alexander]

I agree with that. I do think Coleman is a little more straight line-ish than Gordon and so would be a tad more reliant on pure speed. Watching them both play though it is apparent that they're plenty fast enough, regardless of their 40 time.

In the long run, I look for other things besides "speed". Balance, toughness, the ability to force yards. I do not see that from Coleman, especially the balance. He just seems too easy to tackle.

 

[Spectre]

Got a feeling Coleman may be our guy- especially if there at our 2nd round pick- and I'm not crazy about it. 40 times are very overrated. No rb runs full speed, straight ahead in a game. There are far too many other aspects to running that make for a good rb. Coleman could probably run well behind this o-line, but he isn't one of the most skilled/gifted rbs in this draft- not by a long shot, imo. I give him a 3rd round grade- let someone else reach for him in the 2nd because of a great 40 time.

 

[CATCH17]

I don't blame you for thinking Murray had more yards before contact, that is the ant-Murray contingent who repeated that nonsense until everyone thought it was the truth. Same people likely convinced Jerry of that too.

He'll be easily replaced.

I just hope we don't draft Ajayi though and make Murray look better then he really was.

 

[jday]

He may have played through a broken bone in his foot, but he missed 3 games the year prior with a sprained ankle.

Lets not pretend like the guy can play through anything. This whole him playing with a broken bone in his foot being some type of football miracle is getting more than a tad hyperbolic.

"Football miracle" would be overstating what I said by quite a bit. But, dependent on the type of sprain, missing 3 games really isn't bad. The aspect that interest me is how much better he could be without the injury when he is already being considered a top 10 RB available in this year's draft..which in this particular draft, is saying something.