Texas city brings back the paddle for school discipline

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/15/AR2010041505964.html

Texas city revives paddling as it takes a swat at misbehavior

TEMPLE, TEX. -- In an era when students talk back to teachers, skip class and wear ever-more-risque clothing to school, one central Texas city has hit upon a deceptively simple solution: Bring back the paddle.

Most school districts across the country banned paddling of students long ago. Texas sat that trend out. Nearly a quarter of the estimated 225,000 students who received corporal punishment nationwide in 2006, the latest figures available, were from the Lone Star State.

But even by Texas standards, Temple is unusual. The city, a compact railroad hub of 60,000 people, banned the practice and then revived it at the demand of parents who longed for the orderly schools of yesteryear. Without paddling, "there were no consequences for kids," said Steve Wright, who runs a construction business and is Temple's school board president.

Since paddling was brought back to the city's 14 schools by a unanimous board vote in May, behavior at Temple's single high school has changed dramatically, Wright said, even though only one student in the school system has been paddled.

"The discipline problem is much better than it's been in years," Wright said, something he attributed to the new punishment and to other discipline programs schools are trying. Residents of the city's comfortable homes, most of which sport neighborly, worn chairs out front, praise the change.

"There are times when maybe a good crack might not be a bad idea," said Robert Pippin, a custom home builder who sports a goatee and cowboy boots. His son graduated from Temple schools several years ago.

Corporal punishment remains legal in 20 states, mostly in the South, but its use is diminishing. Ohio ended it last year, and a movement for a federal ban is afoot. A House subcommittee held a hearing on the practice Thursday, and its chairman, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), is gearing up for a push to end the practice once and for all. She plans to introduce legislation within weeks.

"When you look that the federal government has outlawed physical punishment in prisons, I think the time has come that we should do it in schools," she said.

A joint American Civil Liberties Union-Human Rights Watch report last year found that students with disabilities were disproportionately subjected to corporal punishment, sometimes in direct response to behavioral problems that were a result of their disabilities. Many educators and psychologists say that positive tools, such as giving praise for good behavior and withholding it for bad, are far more effective for discouraging misbehavior.

Those techniques "encourage them to behave well in the future," said report author Alice Farmer. Paddling "makes students lose respect for their teachers."

Rules about paddling vary from district to district, but typically only administrators, not teachers, can mete out the punishment, which is done in private. Usually, a long, flat wooden paddle is used to give as many as three blows across the student's clothed rear end, although Farmer found students who had been hit many more times. Boys are overwhelmingly the target.

Not everybody in Texas is gung-ho about paddling. The practice has been banned in the state's big cities, and its use varies from campus to campus in districts that allow it.

In Alvin, a formerly agricultural city of 23,000 that has been swallowed by Houston's suburbs in the past decade, the policy is on the books but not used in many schools.

"I don't think it's that simple anymore," said Terry Constantine, who added that she hasn't swung a paddle in her 16 years as an elementary school principal there. "We look for our parents to work with us now."

At Alvin High School, where the technique is used, Principal Kevon Wells said he had paddled students about six times this school year. If a student continued to misbehave, he said, he wouldn't do it again. "I'm not into beating kids," he said.

But in Temple, a city just outside Fort Hood that shakes with the air horns of the trains that pass through its rail yards, many residents say they hope that the old-fashioned solution can address what they see as rising disrespect among youth. They say their discipline problems aren't different from those in any other school system in the country: students showing up late for class, or violating the dress code, or talking during lessons. Those habits were unheard of in the days when schoolteachers routinely swung a paddle, they say.

"Back then, you wouldn't throw spitballs, because you were afraid of the consequences," said Darr Kuykendall, a worker for a plumbing supply company.

"A lot of kids have tempers," said Abby Jones, a junior at Temple High School. "Those kids that would be paddled would think of it as a threat . . . and maybe would be better."

Parents also pushed for the change because many paddle their children at home and wanted consistent discipline in the classroom, said John Hancock, assistant superintendent of administration for the Temple schools, who has been an educator for more than 40 years.

"We're rural central Texas. We're very well educated, but still there are those core values. Churches are full on Sundays," Hancock said. "This is a tool we'd like in the toolbox for responding to discipline issues."

Hancock, an urbane, sturdily built Colorado native who wears horn-rimmed glasses, said the school system had banned corporal punishment about six years ago because a state law change made what was permissible uncertain. Follow-up made clear that schools could paddle, he said.

Since the policy was changed in May, the school system has paddled only one student, and that was at the request of his parent, Hancock said.

Many districts, including Temple, which is nearly evenly divided among white, black and Hispanic students, require parental consent before the punishment is given. Temple also requires the student's consent, Hancock said, and the punishment is considered equivalent to an out-of-school suspension.

Residents said restoring paddling is less about the punishment and more about the threat.

"It's like speeding," said Bill Woodward, a graphic designer. "Are they going to give you a speeding ticket, or . . . a warning? I'd speed all day if I knew it was going to be a warning."
 

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Nice. Now those perv teachers can get their bondage games in while at work.
 

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ajk23az;3351587 said:
Many districts, including Temple, which is nearly evenly divided among white, black and Hispanic students, require parental consent before the punishment is given. Temple also requires the student's consent, Hancock said, and the punishment is considered equivalent to an out-of-school suspension.
That's interesting.

Basically, the kid has the choice of taking of a few whoopings or being suspended from school.
 

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theogt;3351600 said:
That's interesting.

Basically, the kid has the choice of taking of a few whoopings or being suspended from school.
hey we used to get a choice too, in class in front of everyone or out in the hallway.
 

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Thank you Temple..........and I hope it spreads across the state like wildfire......cause this Progressive hippy timeout crap isnt working. Lets get back to making kids feel bad when they make mistakes, instead of giving them trophies and stickers.

The kids need to feel bad, so they can fix their mistakes and try not to make them again, thus making them more responsible and respectful adults when they grow up.

I got spankings and I turned out fine.

Now my only concern with the spankings is that they are done correctly. I do not want children spanked out of spite or anger. I believe there should be a spanking chart, based on the number of offenses as well as the severity of the offense. A child should receive no more than 3 spankings at any one time. Once the child has received these spankings, if further disciplinary action is needed that day, the child must be sent home with the family.

To be honest, instead of spankings, what I would really like to do, is give these kids small shovels and make them dig a hole 2ft by 2ft by 2ft. once the hole has been inspected, they then fill up the hole, turn in their shovel and go home for the day. They would still be required to complete that day's schoolwork, before returning to school the following day. This one teaches them hard work, discipline, it is physical exercise, it humbles them, and they are punished without being punished, if that makes any sense.
 

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Biggems;3351610 said:
Thank you Temple..........and I hope it spreads across the state like wildfire......cause this Progressive hippy timeout crap isnt working. Lets get back to making kids feel bad when they make mistakes, instead of giving them trophies and stickers.

The kids need to feel bad, so they can fix their mistakes and try not to make them again, thus making them more responsible and respectful adults when they grow up.

I got spankings and I turned out fine.

Now my only concern with the spankings is that they are done correctly. I do not want children spanked out of spite or anger. I believe there should be a spanking chart, based on the number of offenses as well as the severity of the offense. A child should receive no more than 3 spankings at any one time. Once the child has received these spankings, if further disciplinary action is needed that day, the child must be sent home with the family.

To be honest, instead of spankings, what I would really like to do, is give these kids small shovels and make them dig a hole 2ft by 2ft by 2ft. once the hole has been inspected, they then fill up the hole, turn in their shovel and go home for the day. They would still be required to complete that day's schoolwork, before returning to school the following day. This one teaches them hard work, discipline, it is physical exercise, it humbles them, and they are punished without being punished, if that makes any sense.

LOL, don't tell my little 3 year old that. He'll go dig holes all in the yard.
 

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brilliant.

which group of morons is allowing this to happen?
 

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jimmy40;3351668 said:

So not wanting your child to get paddled with a board at school in indicative of homosexuality?

Wow. I better let my husband know that we're gay. :rolleyes:
 

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Biggems;3351610 said:
To be honest, instead of spankings, what I would really like to do, is give these kids small shovels and make them dig a hole 2ft by 2ft by 2ft. once the hole has been inspected, they then fill up the hole, turn in their shovel and go home for the day. They would still be required to complete that day's schoolwork, before returning to school the following day. This one teaches them hard work, discipline, it is physical exercise, it humbles them, and they are punished without being punished, if that makes any sense.

As useful as that could be (instead of filling up the hole, make them collect and mix organic matter with the dirt, and fill it back up. Voila, a no-till garden is born.), that's unconstitutional. It'd be involuntary servitude without being convicted of a crime.
 

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hairic;3351742 said:
As useful as that could be (instead of filling up the hole, make them collect and mix organic matter with the dirt, and fill it back up. Voila, a no-till garden is born.), that's unconstitutional. It'd be involuntary servitude without being convicted of a crime.
That's a bit of a stretch.
 

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Faerluna;3351718 said:
So not wanting your child to get paddled with a board at school in indicative of homosexuality?

Wow. I better let my husband know that we're gay. :rolleyes:
I was just getting in line with the idiot *** responses
 

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theogt;3351600 said:
That's interesting.

Basically, the kid has the choice of taking of a few whoopings or being suspended from school.

Interesting? Is this some how a new concept? When I was in school it was the exact same way and you know what? I can't recall a single person who ever chose the suspension over the paddle. People new two very important things about this choice.

A whipping only stung for seconds and it was all over. But if you got suspended not only did you take zeros on every thing for all the days you're out but you had to go home and tell you're parents you were stupid enough to take a suspension and thus zeros instead of getting a whipping.

theebs;3351640 said:
brilliant.

which group of morons is allowing this to happen?

theogt;3351643 said:
Rednecks in Temple, Texas.

So if people paddle trouble makers it makes them rednecks and morons? What has this world come to when getting paddled is some how a crime and wrong.

Yeah getting paddled REALLY killed me and hurt me when I was in school. I mean I'm only a father, pay my bills on time every week, married for nearly 10 years, and have a degree and am looking to go back to college in fall and get another one.

But, yeah, clearly the few times I got paddled in school really set me back in life.


Edit- Unless of course I misread your responses here that is. In that case you could then ignore the rant. :p
 

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i grew up in alvin that was mentioned in the article, i was paddled a few times, always in his office, always after calling my mom to tell what i did wrong, and to get permission, i was always put on the phone and my mom would ask if i did what they said i did.

i think this is the way it should be done, i dont want the school to take it upon themselves to decide to spank my future kids, i want that decision. i really do not care what the baby books say or what the studies conducted say, imo there are times when a spanking is appropriate. and also there are some kids who need that kind of disipline, every kid is different and while positive reinforcement and rewards may work some or even most kids, there are some that just dont care enough about what your selling to keep them from doing bad things.
 

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Escalate the more the kid misbehaves. Detention the first time, then more detention, then spanking, then suspension. And in each case the parent is called.
 

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BraveHeartFan;3351762 said:
Interesting? Is this some how a new concept? When I was in school it was the exact same way and you know what? I can't recall a single person who ever chose the suspension over the paddle. People new two very important things about this choice.

A whipping only stung for seconds and it was all over. But if you got suspended not only did you take zeros on every thing for all the days you're out but you had to go home and tell you're parents you were stupid enough to take a suspension and thus zeros instead of getting a whipping.





So if people paddle trouble makers it makes them rednecks and morons? What has this world come to when getting paddled is some how a crime and wrong.

Yeah getting paddled REALLY killed me and hurt me when I was in school. I mean I'm only a father, pay my bills on time every week, married for nearly 10 years, and have a degree and am looking to go back to college in fall and get another one.

But, yeah, clearly the few times I got paddled in school really set me back in life.


Edit- Unless of course I misread your responses here that is. In that case you could then ignore the rant. :p


Rednecks? I have no idea, I dont even know where temple is!!!

Morons...Yes. Completely.

You being paddled has nothing to do with all the great things you accomplished in your life!
 

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theogt;3351758 said:
That's a bit of a stretch.

Yeah, I know. It wouldn't be hard to argue that since the kid's guardian would have the option to send the kid to a private school or home school, it's not involuntary for the government to put people to work for nothing in return.
 
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