Texas Longhorns and who will be the next coach

[ABQCOWBOY]

The LHN contract with UT pays them $300M for 20 years. That equates to $15M per year. Even adding that to the $453M, you are well short of A&M's amount. Both A&M's figures and UT's figures are donations to the overall school, not football revenue.

Actually, that's only the TV contract piece. The LHN is a revenue center which generates it's own profits on it's own, through TV spots etc. There is more to it then that but that's fine. I'm not trying to say that it makes Texas 700 Million annually. Besides, it's not really how much you take in. It's the GP you can make after expenses that really drive a Program.

I also don't think the LHN will be in existence in 20 year's time. It's a failure of a network by all accounts, with not enough diversity of programming to attract anybody except die-hard UT fans. And there's not enough of those to justify a national network. You think the general population in Michigan, Washington state, etc., really care enough about UT to want that channel? I don't.

This takes me back. This is the same thing that was said about ESPN back in the day. Not saying that LHN will be anything like ESPN, ever, but I am saying that the characterization of "Failure of a Network" is wide of the mark at this point in time.

As for people in Michigan, Washington etc., they don't have to want LHN for it to be successful. It can be a regional brand and still produce profits.

But you're right, this may be a one-year anomaly for A&M's donations. It is significant though, and I expect in the coming years the numbers will be roughly equal to what UT pulls. A&M will continue to fill the expanded Kyle Field (already sold out for season tickets before it's even been built) for years and years to come.

I think that in the short term, you can probably pull down numbers that might be close to what Texas is seeing but I don't think that this trend will continue. I think the numbers will move closer to what we have seen in the recent past. The money has to come from somewhere so in order for both Programs to pull in 400K, it would seem logical to assume that more money would have to come into Texas and that's unlikely, IMO, any time soon. I think one will benefit at the expense of the other but I don't think both can be equally prosperous.

I don't agree with you that there are better jobs in college football *FOR* Kevin Sumlin. There's nothing that's set up better than the situation at A&M right now, for him, program-wise. Even if he gets a big offer like you're suggesting, I would bet you it's matched at A&M.

A&M can not match what Texas or USC can offer long term. They just can't. They can try but the profit base is just not there. It's the same reason Alabama could not match either school if they really wanted to go after Saban. I believe that TAM would have every intention of trying to do so but I just don't see it.

We will agree to disagree.

And I'm not sure even the UT job is a better coaching position than the A&M job at the moment, for ANYBODY, in all honesty.

From a money standpoint, a recruiting standpoint, a facilities standpoint, it absolutely is. If you are saying that the quality of life in College Station is better, I can't speak for that. The relationship a HC has with the University, I don't know about that. Before Sumlin, life was horrific on TAM HCs. We are still pretty new into the Sumlin era. Things could be different if he doesn't continue to win. Hard for me to judge that but for the rest, no question, Texas is better IMO.

 

[dart]

both of Peyton Manning's centers on the Denver depth chart

Manny Rammirez - TT - been in the league 7 years

2013 - 7 is 2006

HOUSTON 2003–2007 A Briles

Steve Vallos - Wake Forest 2nd C

when did he coach at Wake ????????

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You can keep saying this, but there's no reason for Sumlin to leave A&M. He's building a powerful program there, recruiting well, and in the best overall conference in the nation. A&M's got a rabid fanbase and that translates into alot of money (record-setting $740M in donations this past year, versus UT's program record $453M) for the program. What is his incentive to leave A&M? He's managed to do well with quarterbacks other than Manziel in the past, yet you think he just got lucky and will never win another game after Manziel's gone? Are you serious?

I just don't see him leaving for another NCAA program at this time. NFL, maybe, if he has some personal goal to be a head coach there. But he's in the best possible situation for himself as he can be in the NCAA, IMO.

I pretty much agree with you. A&M is a great job now. I've always said (even on this board going back years ago) that program was a sleeping giant, and now it's finally awake. They've got tons of money, are in a great recruiting area, play in the best conference, and with Texas (and Oklahoma) down they should absolutely clean up in recruits the next couple of years. I think that can be one of the better jobs in the country.

Like you say, I just wonder if he wants to go NFL at some point. As high as these college salaries are getting, he might not.

 

[Aikbach]

both of Peyton Manning's centers on the Denver depth chart

Manny Rammirez - TT - been in the league 7 years

2013 - 7 is 2006

HOUSTON 2003–2007 A Briles

Steve Vallos - Wake Forest 2nd C


when did he coach at Wake ????????

both of Peyton Manning's centers on the Denver depth chart
Manny Rammirez - TT - been in the league 7

2013 - 7 is 2006

HOUSTON 2003–2007 A Briles

Steve Vallos - Wake Forest 2nd C

when did he coach at Wake ????????

so Di you work or just attempt to troll all Baylor related posts? Denver has kd Walton and Phillip Blake at center

 

[Aikbach]

both of Peyton Manning's centers on the Denver depth chart

Manny Rammirez - TT - been in the league 7 years

2013 - 7 is 2006

HOUSTON 2003–2007 A Briles

Steve Vallos - Wake Forest 2nd C

when did he coach at Wake ????????

Do you really spend all your time trolling every single Baylor related post and thread, strange obsession.

JD Walton and Phillip Blake are Denver's centers.
Edit: Blake is now with the cardinals but dart is still a troll

 

[dart]

I don't attempt anything Rammirez played center against us ?

I just like hearing the truth

According to Jeff Legwold of The Denver Post, Walton had another surgery on his injured ankle and is likely to miss the 2013 season

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html

 

[Aikbach]

I don't attempt anything Rammirez played center against us ?

I just like hearing the truth

According to Jeff Legwold of The Denver Post, Walton had another surgery on his injured ankle and is likely to miss the 2013 season

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth -chart.html

Unless truth is what you've named the sound of your own voice this is in doubt

 

[jterrell]

You can keep saying this, but there's no reason for Sumlin to leave A&M. He's building a powerful program there, recruiting well, and in the best overall conference in the nation. A&M's got a rabid fanbase and that translates into alot of money (record-setting $740M in donations this past year, versus UT's program record $453M) for the program. What is his incentive to leave A&M? He's managed to do well with quarterbacks other than Manziel in the past, yet you think he just got lucky and will never win another game after Manziel's gone? Are you serious?

I just don't see him leaving for another NCAA program at this time. NFL, maybe, if he has some personal goal to be a head coach there. But he's in the best possible situation for himself as he can be in the NCAA, IMO.

Sumlin has had Case Keenum(who Briles left in place) and JF. Who all exactly has he won with again?
Sumlin and the Cougars went 5-7 in the season Keenum was injured. He's had top 25 teams as a head coach 3 times in his life.
2 with JF and once with a 6th year senior in Keenum.

TAMU's 1 year donation was tremendous. But that isn't a standard number and won't last.
The Ags have a lot going for them but sustaining it it a whole 'nother matter.

Only an Aggie would think playing in the SEC West is some sort of lifelong draw for a coach.
Truth is after LSU and Bama it is a nightmare for the other coaches.
ARK is one coach 3 in 3 years. Ole Miss has been through coaches every couple seasons.
Same with Auburn and Miss ST.

Reality is the Aggies are VERY likely to fall back when JF leaves.
Sumlin can cash in and head somewhere else for much easier road to success.

But again, end of day it will likely be about the money. No big-time head coach is working for free.

Will TAMU pay the man the market rate or not? We'll see.
Because he's probably not staying for a hometown discount.

 

[jterrell]

They lose what they always lose, a runningback, and a wideout or more, and top linemen.

They've had to replace RG3, Terrance Williams, Kendall Wright, Josh Gordon, and both of Peyton Manning's centers on the Denver depth chart.
They always do, and this time they don't have to replace the QB, an unprecedented two years with the same QB come 2014.

As for Briles, his value is not at its peak, you're simply paying attention to him, perhaps your personal interest is peaking.
He's got a new stadium to open next year, and a top flight recruiting class to plug into his system. It will be business as usual but in new digs.

PS Usc and UT aren't top ten programs right now, but in another week or so it looks like Briles' current job will be.

ROFL. You typed about zero accurate things.
I'll leave you to your delusions.

 

[Aggie87]

I think that in the short term, you can probably pull down numbers that might be close to what Texas is seeing but I don't think that this trend will continue. I think the numbers will move closer to what we have seen in the recent past. The money has to come from somewhere so in order for both Programs to pull in 400K, it would seem logical to assume that more money would have to come into Texas and that's unlikely, IMO, any time soon. I think one will benefit at the expense of the other but I don't think both can be equally prosperous.

A&M can not match what Texas or USC can offer long term. They just can't. They can try but the profit base is just not there. It's the same reason Alabama could not match either school if they really wanted to go after Saban. I believe that TAM would have every intention of trying to do so but I just don't see it.

We will agree to disagree.

From a money standpoint, a recruiting standpoint, a facilities standpoint, it absolutely is. If you are saying that the quality of life in College Station is better, I can't speak for that. The relationship a HC has with the University, I don't know about that. Before Sumlin, life was horrific on TAM HCs. We are still pretty new into the Sumlin era. Things could be different if he doesn't continue to win. Hard for me to judge that but for the rest, no question, Texas is better IMO.

Regarding the money - A&M's money is from donations. I don't think the Aggies who donate will begin donating to UT. Of the $740M, "only" $270M went to the 12th Man Foundation, which is the A&M Athletics fundraising organization. That means that $470M was donated to A&M for other than athletics, which is quite significant. Furthermore, A&M's population on the main campus surpassed UT's main campus population this year for the first time (53.6K versus 52.0K). I don't see A&M's future support (and thereby donations) waning. back to their former Big12 levels. But yes, we can agree to disagree on that.

From a money standpoint - A&M probably will equal UT from here on out.
From a recruiting standpoint - A&M will probably at the very least equal UT from here on out, if not surpass them.
From a facilities standpoint (including the entire football operation, not to mention the expansion/upgrade of Kyle Field) - A&M will at the very least equal UT.
From a quality of life standpoint - Austin is better than College Station. You got me there - I love Austin for what it's worth.

Both of the two previous head coaches at A&M (Franchione and Sherman) were pet picks from someone in the Board of Regents - neither were good hires, nor were they the right coach for A&M (Sherman was better, but not good enough). Sumlin appears to have been the right coach at the right time, and he knows it. He knows what he's got brewing there.

 

[dart]

so Di you work or just attempt to troll all Baylor related posts? Denver has kd Walton and Phillip Blake at center

LOL - who would believe a thing you say now ?

 

[Aggie87]

Sumlin has had Case Keenum(who Briles left in place) and JF. Who all exactly has he won with again?
Sumlin and the Cougars went 5-7 in the season Keenum was injured. He's had top 25 teams as a head coach 3 times in his life.
2 with JF and once with a 6th year senior in Keenum.

TAMU's 1 year donation was tremendous. But that isn't a standard number and won't last.
The Ags have a lot going for them but sustaining it it a whole 'nother matter.

Only an Aggie would think playing in the SEC West is some sort of lifelong draw for a coach.
Truth is after LSU and Bama it is a nightmare for the other coaches.
ARK is one coach 3 in 3 years. Ole Miss has been through coaches every couple seasons.
Same with Auburn and Miss ST.

Reality is the Aggies are VERY likely to fall back when JF leaves.
Sumlin can cash in and head somewhere else for much easier road to success.

But again, end of day it will likely be about the money. No big-time head coach is working for free.

Will TAMU pay the man the market rate or not? We'll see.
Because he's probably not staying for a hometown discount.

Sumlin coached Reggie McNeal when he was offensive coordinator at A&M in 2002. The same Reggie McNeal who came off the bench in his very first college game and upset #1 ranked Oklahoma. McNeal would have been an NFL qb had Franchione not tried to turn him into an option quarterback and eliminate his strengths.

When RC Slocum was fired at the end of the 2002 season, Bob Stoops quickly snatched him up. By 2006 he was offensive coordinator. In 2007 he coached Sam Bradford to an 11-2 regular season. Bradford only ended up winning the Heisman later.

And obviously he coached Keenum at Houston. Keenum is slated to start for the Houston Texans this Sunday.

So I think he knows a little about QB's.

Anyway, I think the A&M quarterback position will be fine for the foreseeable future. Kenny Hill is slated to be the starter after Manziel leaves, with Kyle Allen already committed to A&M, and should be Hill's eventual successor. Both of those guys have a TON of talent.

PS - Arkansas wouldn't be on Coach 3 in 3 yrs if Petrino hadn't dipped his wick in the cookie jar. It's not because he couldn't lead the program. He was doing a great job. The next guy was an interim coach (who sucked), and everybody knew he sucked AND that he was temporary. Jury's out on Bielema so far, but I think he'll be there for a while.

 

[Aikbach]

ROFL. You typed about zero accurate things.
I'll leave you to your delusions.

I didn't realize you suffered from reading comprehension issues, but it all makes very much sense now.

 

[Aikbach]

LOL - who would believe a thing you say now ?

A question you should ask yourself each and everytime before you hit reply.

 

[Aggie87]

Sumlin coached Reggie McNeal when he was offensive coordinator at A&M in 2002. The same Reggie McNeal who came off the bench in his very first college game and upset #1 ranked Oklahoma. McNeal would have been an NFL qb had Franchione not tried to turn him into an option quarterback and eliminate his strengths.

When RC Slocum was fired at the end of the 2002 season, Bob Stoops quickly snatched him up. By 2006 he was offensive coordinator. In 2007 he coached Sam Bradford to an 11-2 regular season. Bradford only ended up winning the Heisman later.

And obviously he coached Keenum at Houston. Keenum is slated to start for the Houston Texans this Sunday.

So I think he knows a little about QB's.

Anyway, I think the A&M quarterback position will be fine for the foreseeable future. Kenny Hill is slated to be the starter after Manziel leaves, with Kyle Allen already committed to A&M, and should be Hill's eventual successor. Both of those guys have a TON of talent.

PS - Arkansas wouldn't be on Coach 3 in 3 yrs if Petrino hadn't dipped his wick in the cookie jar. It's not because he couldn't lead the program. He was doing a great job. The next guy was an interim coach (who sucked), and everybody knew he sucked AND that he was temporary. Jury's out on Bielema so far, but I think he'll be there for a while.

Oh, and Sumlin was also WR coach at Purdue from 1998-2000, while Drew Brees was QB there. Forgot that. I'm sure he was fairly involved with Brees' success as a passer too.

PS - Guess who committed to A&M today? The #1 defensive player in Texas, and #7 overall in the nation. Myles Garrett.

 

[dart]

A question you should ask yourself each and everytime before you hit reply.

oh wow a response with out any substance - Unusual ? nope

 

[jimmy40]

I wish UT would pay Mike Sherman $5 million a year just to recruit offensive lineman.

 

[coogrfan]

Sumlin coached Reggie McNeal when he was offensive coordinator at A&M in 2002. The same Reggie McNeal who came off the bench in his very first college game and upset #1 ranked Oklahoma. McNeal would have been an NFL qb had Franchione not tried to turn him into an option quarterback and eliminate his strengths.

When RC Slocum was fired at the end of the 2002 season, Bob Stoops quickly snatched him up. By 2006 he was offensive coordinator. In 2007 he coached Sam Bradford to an 11-2 regular season. Bradford only ended up winning the Heisman later.

And obviously he coached Keenum at Houston. Keenum is slated to start for the Houston Texans this Sunday.

So I think he knows a little about QB's.

Anyway, I think the A&M quarterback position will be fine for the foreseeable future. Kenny Hill is slated to be the starter after Manziel leaves, with Kyle Allen already committed to A&M, and should be Hill's eventual successor. Both of those guys have a TON of talent.

PS - Arkansas wouldn't be on Coach 3 in 3 yrs if Petrino hadn't dipped his wick in the cookie jar. It's not because he couldn't lead the program. He was doing a great job. The next guy was an interim coach (who sucked), and everybody knew he sucked AND that he was temporary. Jury's out on Bielema so far, but I think he'll be there for a while.

Sumlin's real talent lies in his undeniable knack for identifying bright young coaches. Keenum was coached up by Dana Holgersen, who when he left for the OC job at Okie State was succeeded by Kliff Kingsbury.
Both are now HC's at AQ schools.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Regarding the money - A&M's money is from donations. I don't think the Aggies who donate will begin donating to UT. Of the $740M, "only" $270M went to the 12th Man Foundation, which is the A&M Athletics fundraising organization. That means that $470M was donated to A&M for other than athletics, which is quite significant. Furthermore, A&M's population on the main campus surpassed UT's main campus population this year for the first time (53.6K versus 52.0K). I don't see A&M's future support (and thereby donations) waning. back to their former Big12 levels. But yes, we can agree to disagree on that.

From a money standpoint - A&M probably will equal UT from here on out.
From a recruiting standpoint - A&M will probably at the very least equal UT from here on out, if not surpass them.
From a facilities standpoint (including the entire football operation, not to mention the expansion/upgrade of Kyle Field) - A&M will at the very least equal UT.
From a quality of life standpoint - Austin is better than College Station. You got me there - I love Austin for what it's worth.

Both of the two previous head coaches at A&M (Franchione and Sherman) were pet picks from someone in the Board of Regents - neither were good hires, nor were they the right coach for A&M (Sherman was better, but not good enough). Sumlin appears to have been the right coach at the right time, and he knows it. He knows what he's got brewing there.

I also don't think Aggie Donations can sustain doubling for long. As to the donations, don't kid yourself. There is a lot of money that traditionally went to Texas but has found it's way to TAM.

That will not last after Johnny Football leaves IMO.

 

[jterrell]

Sumlin coached Reggie McNeal when he was offensive coordinator at A&M in 2002. The same Reggie McNeal who came off the bench in his very first college game and upset #1 ranked Oklahoma. McNeal would have been an NFL qb had Franchione not tried to turn him into an option quarterback and eliminate his strengths.

When RC Slocum was fired at the end of the 2002 season, Bob Stoops quickly snatched him up. By 2006 he was offensive coordinator. In 2007 he coached Sam Bradford to an 11-2 regular season. Bradford only ended up winning the Heisman later.

And obviously he coached Keenum at Houston. Keenum is slated to start for the Houston Texans this Sunday.

So I think he knows a little about QB's.

Anyway, I think the A&M quarterback position will be fine for the foreseeable future. Kenny Hill is slated to be the starter after Manziel leaves, with Kyle Allen already committed to A&M, and should be Hill's eventual successor. Both of those guys have a TON of talent.

PS - Arkansas wouldn't be on Coach 3 in 3 yrs if Petrino hadn't dipped his wick in the cookie jar. It's not because he couldn't lead the program. He was doing a great job. The next guy was an interim coach (who sucked), and everybody knew he sucked AND that he was temporary. Jury's out on Bielema so far, but I think he'll be there for a while.

yawnnn... Sumlin had a lot of coaches at a coordinator. Mixed bag there.

As to Keenum, he was Briles neighbor growing up. Might want to give him and not Sumlin credit for that kid.

Sumlin hasn't proven a thing when he didn't have an NFL caliber QB. We'll see if he can next year unless of course he leaves to go to a school with an NFL caliber QB ready to roll. --like USC.