Texas losing big to BYU?

[jterrell]

Personally, I don't think that Texas would go for Saban. They could get him if they wanted him, that I have doubt of but I just don't see it. I think Texas wants a coach that is going to be there for awhile and that is probably not Saban. He's not young any longer. He's 61 and I don't see him sticking around for 20 years. Besides, he could decide tomorrow that he wants to go to the NFL. Gruden is more realistic to me. He's younger and I doubt he would go back to the NFL if he found the right situation. He could be a fit.

Charlie Strong is a guy who gets talked about a lot. He could be a guy that Texas might consider but it's hard to imagine Texas completely cutting Mack Brown out. He's too close to some major contributors for Texas. They love him and that almost makes it mandatory for Mack to stay involved with the Football program.

What might make sense for Texas is to make Mack Head of Football Operations and put him in charge of boosters, fund raising and the Longhorn Network. That whole LHN is too much for a HC to deal with anyhow. Then, you could bring in a guy like Strong or Muschamp or whomever.

No offense bro but this posts makes zero sense.

Gruden is a PRO coach. All he's known forever.
Saban HATED being a PRO coach and is definitely the greatest college coach in this era.
UT doesn't need a coach for 10 year, they need a coach who can win TITLES in the next 2-4 years.

Mack will stay involved in the program that is for sure; it just won't be as Head Coach very much longer.

 

[jterrell]

Nope, I don't. Texas could have had Saban well before Bama, had they wanted him. They could have him this season if they really wanted him. Texas could pay him untold amounts of money, money no three SEC schools could pay him combined if they really wanted to. They don't want Saban IMO. They want a younger guy who can provide stability for a long while. As for Mack, believe it. He is close personal friends with Texas' two largest boosters and both of those boosters have made it clear that they still want Mack involved. Believe it.

Again none of that is really pertinent.
Saban before Bama and Saban a few NC later isn't the same guy.
And UT coming off a NC isn't exactly the 4th place in Big 12 version that exists right now.
What UT wants an change in the blink of an eye.

Brown firing Diaz took away his final scapegoat. UT turns it around this season or their WILL be a new coach next year.
Mack's friends will keep him in the program but he will NOT be head coach unless they find a way to win 9+ games.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually since I am not a UT fan I am unbiased.
I tend to have a better handle then most Baylor fans with regards to Briles because I played at Tech... and watched him Coach at Stephenville.

UT is in a down period because coaching and recruiting are heinously overrated largely because Mack is in semi-retirement and UT is too proud to do what other big schools do; get in bed with recruiting services.

UT will land a big name coach to be sure. And any big name coach will find it a VERY appealing job between the facilities, conference set up and ability to recruit.
The thought Briles retires at Baylor is the fantasy.

The problem with Briles at Texas is 2008. Texas, their fan base and their boosters will never forgive him for that. When he voted OU #1 and Texas #12 in the final coaches poll, that sealed the deal for OU and basically killed Texas' chances of playing for a NC. Now, you can say that it didn't matter or that OU was better anyway or whatever but Texas will not forgive him for that IMO. I think that Texas could have understood voting OU #1 but not voting Texas in the top 5 and probably higher if the truth be told, which could have allowed them to play for the Big 12 Conference Championship and then the NC, is the kicker. Voting Texas #12 was a flat out lie and Texas remembers that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No offense bro but this posts makes zero sense.

Gruden is a PRO coach. All he's known forever.
Saban HATED being a PRO coach and is definitely the greatest college coach in this era.
UT doesn't need a coach for 10 year, they need a coach who can win TITLES in the next 2-4 years.

Mack will stay involved in the program that is for sure; it just won't be as Head Coach very much longer.

Regardless, it's true. Texas is looking for stability in their coaching staff. It's how they operate. Charlie Strong is a name I keep hearing more and more.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Again none of that is really pertinent.
Saban before Bama and Saban a few NC later isn't the same guy.
And UT coming off a NC isn't exactly the 4th place in Big 12 version that exists right now.
What UT wants an change in the blink of an eye.

Brown firing Diaz took away his final scapegoat. UT turns it around this season or their WILL be a new coach next year.
Mack's friends will keep him in the program but he will NOT be head coach unless they find a way to win 9+ games.

What a huge revelation. I think I posted this like three days ago. Mack will be around for as long as he wants to be but Saban will not be the guy in Texas.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So UT is like the Cowboys... Peripheral issues like money and cronyism are more important than putting the best team on the field.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So UT is like the Cowboys... Peripheral issues like money and cronyism are more important than putting the best team on the field.

Money is the biggest factor in any program, college or pro so I don't really think it's unique to either Dallas or Texas. cronyism, well, I don't really know how you get to that but I guess if that is what you see, then that is a fair statement in your opinion.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I really don't care that much because I'm not even a fan. But I know you are, ABQ. So how do you feel about UT doing things like not going after Nick Saban? Especially if you're convinced they could get him?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I really don't care that much because I'm not even a fan. But I know you are, ABQ. So how do you feel about UT doing things like not going after Nick Saban? Especially if you're convinced they could get him?

I would not go after Saban either. I think Saban is short for the road. Saban is a guy who is driven and doesn't like to lose. That, to me, means that the chances are good that at some point, before he calls it quits, that he will go back to the NFL to try and win there.

Texas, right now, could offer him 20 or 30 million up front and pay him 7 or 8 annually and they could get him because money talks and Texas is not a bad alternative to Bama. Saban could win in either place. However, I think that in a few years, he would either hang it up or jump to the NFL. I think it would be a bad investment for Texas, long term. If you're going to pay that kind of money to somebody, which IMO is what it would take, then you need to be able to get value out of it and I think that Texas would not see that value in that deal.

Besides, I am not as convinced as some that Texas could not bring in a good coach and still win. A&M is reaping rewards for their jump to the SEC and for hiring Sumlin now but that will not last IMO. Sumlin, IMO, will end up jumping to the NFL at some point. They are already very interested in him and after the next few seasons, I can see him moving on. When that happens, if Texas makes a good hire, the recruiting will shift back towards Texas and that coach will again enjoy top talent for the foreseeable future. The recruiting is already shifting back towards Texas so I see no reason why Texas could not bring in a guy who could be very successful not named Saban.

Remember, when Texas hired Mack, they got him from UNC, which I know you know. He was their top choice and they got him. They will get who they want. They just need to be smart enough to make the right hire.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

On a side not, I would not be surprised if Texas actually looked into Sumlin either. I think Sumlin is a better bet to jump to the NFL but Texas could see what's up there. I think he would be a better fit at USC but Texas could easily outbid USC if they wanted to. Who knows what could happen there? At worst, Sumlin gets tons more money out of TAM. At best, he's either getting paid more then any college coach anywhere at Texas or he's getting paid very decently and enjoying Southern California. Sumlin is in a very good position right now.

 

[jterrell]

Money is the biggest factor in any program, college or pro so I don't really think it's unique to either Dallas or Texas. cronyism, well, I don't really know how you get to that but I guess if that is what you see, then that is a fair statement in your opinion.

You are actually far outweighing the money from select boosters that UT really doesn't even need at this point.
Tom Hicks and those if his ilk are far less important with the stadium in place and the tv deal with espn done.

UT is not stupid. They are going to build a winner and quickly. Before they lose the state to TAMU and the SEC.

As to Briles... his son had a bad experience at UT and left for PT. But Briles and UT would make up in a heartbeat if it meant a double in pay for Briles and NC caliber teams for UT and it would. This isn't 1980.
There are no cold wars.

Bielema made fun of the SEC all of a season before he couldn't join it quickly enough.

UT will have a short list with Bobby Petrino, Saban, Briles all on it.
I agree that Charlie Strong would get consideration but the only one making him a front runner is his agent and publicist.
Strong hasn't had the success recruiting Texas any of the above 3 have.

 

[burmafrd]

If I was the AD I would do my best to have a top coach that wanted to stay for 20 years. Now that is pretty rare anymore and hard to find but that should be the goal.

Baring that you go for the guy that can get you to the NC and stay for at least 5 years and hopefully more.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You are actually far outweighing the money from select boosters that UT really doesn't even need at this point.
Tom Hicks and those if his ilk are far less important with the stadium in place and the tv deal with espn done.

UT is not stupid. They are going to build a winner and quickly. Before they lose the state to TAMU and the SEC.

As to Briles... his son had a bad experience at UT and left for PT. But Briles and UT would make up in a heartbeat if it meant a double in pay for Briles and NC caliber teams for UT and it would. This isn't 1980.
There are no cold wars.

Bielema made fun of the SEC all of a season before he couldn't join it quickly enough.

UT will have a short list with Bobby Petrino, Saban, Briles all on it.
I agree that Charlie Strong would get consideration but the only one making him a front runner is his agent and publicist.
Strong hasn't had the success recruiting Texas any of the above 3 have.

Those boosters are why Mack has been here and is still here. I think it is you who is not giving them enough credit.

As to Briles, Petrino and Saban, I doubt any of them are on the short list.

If I had to guess, I'd say:

Strong
Muschamp
Shaw
Fitzgerald
Peterson
Sumlin

If you are looking to the NFL ranks, a good fit might be Lovie Smith.

I think Petrino has too much baggage.





I guess we'll see.

 

[jterrell]

Those boosters are why Mack has been here and is still here. I think it is you who is not giving them enough credit.

As to Briles, Petrino and Saban, I doubt any of them are on the short list.

If I had to guess, I'd say:

Strong
Muschamp
Shaw
Fitzgerald
Peterson
Sumlin

If you are looking to the NFL ranks, a good fit might be Lovie Smith.

I think Petrino has too much baggage.





I guess we'll see.

Mack is still there because he hung a championship banner and continues to recruit top 10 classes and that always buys time.
But it doesn't buy infinity.

As to the list neither of us can read DeLost Dodds mind so I guess we'll see.

/agree on Petrino but a huge year at WKU will repair a lot of baggage issues quickly.
On the field he is undoubtedly a top 5 Coach.

If I am being honest your list imho is largely terrible. It is a bunch of coaches who haven't really won anything.
Only a few have had any pressure whatsoever. And most are FAR removed from Texas recruiting.
Asking them to take on a Big 12 title or bust every year squad is asking a lot.

Its looks like a list of guys a Baylor would go after when Briles does leave more so than what UT will want to appease its fan base and bring in the donations.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Mack is still there because he hung a championship banner and continues to recruit top 10 classes and that always buys time.
But it doesn't buy infinity.

As to the list neither of us can read DeLost Dodds mind so I guess we'll see.

/agree on Petrino but a huge year at WKU will repair a lot of baggage issues quickly.
On the field he is undoubtedly a top 5 Coach.

If I am being honest your list imho is largely terrible. It is a bunch of coaches who haven't really won anything.
Only a few have had any pressure whatsoever. And most are FAR removed from Texas recruiting.
Asking them to take on a Big 12 title or bust every year squad is asking a lot.

Its looks like a list of guys a Baylor would go after when Briles does leave more so than what UT will want to appease its fan base and bring in the donations.

One person's opinion, who happens to be a Tech fan. I am shocked.

 

[InmanRoshi]

No way Saban is leaving Alabama. The Longhorns could get Kirby Smart, but I'm guessing along the lines of Dana Holgrenson.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I don't think Saban would leave Bama for Texas either. He's built a dynasty there. No reason to leave. They can afford to pay him whatever he wants too.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think Saban would leave Bama for Texas either. He's built a dynasty there. No reason to leave. They can afford to pay him whatever he wants too.

Not really. Alabama would be hard pressed to pay Saban what Texas could pay him. Texas has way more money, in state, then does Alabama. I mean, if Texas really wanted him, they could put up 50 Million. Now, that doesn't meant that Saban would take it but if you are Saban and somebody is offering you that kind of money (something Alabama could not do) and the recruiting is as good or possibly even better. What's the reason why you would not go for the money? The facilities at Texas are superior, there is virtually nothing that is not superior, other then the results between the two schools in the last few years. Why wouldn't Saban consider it?

Now, I'm not saying he will. I'm just saying that it's not such a far fetched idea for Saban to come over, should Texas be willing to really make it sweet. I don't think this is going to happen but if it did, would be interesting to see how it worked out.

 

[jterrell]

This is why Saban might leave:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/coaches/nick-saban-1.html

He isn't the kind of guy to stick around forever in one spot and he has nothing left to accomplish at Bama.
Does he want to deal with the teasips in Austin? Who knows... but it would be a challenge and another chance to add to his legacy while getting his juices flowing again.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Not really. Alabama would be hard pressed to pay Saban what Texas could pay him. Texas has way more money, in state, then does Alabama. I mean, if Texas really wanted him, they could put up 50 Million. Now, that doesn't meant that Saban would take it but if you are Saban and somebody is offering you that kind of money (something Alabama could not do) and the recruiting is as good or possibly even better. What's the reason why you would not go for the money? The facilities at Texas are superior, there is virtually nothing that is not superior, other then the results between the two schools in the last few years. Why wouldn't Saban consider it?

Now, I'm not saying he will. I'm just saying that it's not such a far fetched idea for Saban to come over, should Texas be willing to really make it sweet. I don't think this is going to happen but if it did, would be interesting to see how it worked out.

I can't see him leaving for Texas when he has such a great thing going in Bama but we'll have to agree to disagree.


No opening in Texas anyway. I've thought for several years Mack was done & he's still there. Some things never change.