News: TF: Cowboys offer to Zeke approaches Gurley deal with a catch

[phildadon86]

He posted a tweet prior that said “in coming” and quickly deleted it. He posted this right after. Can we just get this done.

I don’t get it?

 

[DuncanIso]

To say Zeke has no trade value is bold......I disagree 100%. His resume speaks for itself IMO.

Why would they want to trade Zeke!?!

TCrawford makes more $$$ than Zeke .

 

[DuncanIso]

Cowboys are close to making him the highest-paid RB, so I don't see that as much of an issue and like Walker just stated, a simple clause killing any guaranteed money if he gets into trouble takes care of the off-field issue. It's like one former GM once said, top players at their position always have value. Just a matter of how much.......

I do agree we are probably better off with each other but to say we're stuck together, I don't see that at all.

Spoiled fans.

No wonder other teams hate us.

 

[DuncanIso]

I would not give him any thing more I AM TIRED OF THIS

If they don’t pay Zeke, there are more things we are going to be tired of....losing

 

[DuncanIso]

I just dont see the problem with giving Zeke more than Gurley. He only has 2.5 years in the league. Set it up so he is a Cowboy for the next 4 years at 16 mil a season. That's cheap considering what he brings to the field.

Agree.

Enjoy the wins. 8)

 

[CowboyStar88]

I don’t get it?

He deleted a tweet prior to this that said “in coming” with something attached from another twitter account and quickly deleted it. When asked about it right after he deleted it he posted that tweet. I assume his tweet prior was about Zeke and he shared something he wasn’t suppose to? I’m just guessing.

 

[phildadon86]

He deleted a tweet prior to this that said “in coming” with something attached from another twitter account and quickly deleted it. When asked about it right after he deleted it he posted that tweet. I assume his tweet prior was about Zeke and he shared something he wasn’t suppose to? I’m just guessing.

Oh. Kinda sucks we missed it. Would have liked to have seen what incoming referred to

 

[Tussinman]

This notion that Elliott is now holding out because of what Stephen said 6 months ago is a bit far fetched.

Elliott was most likely gunning for the biggest contract for TBs regardless of what either Jones said or didn't say.

It's actually not as far fetched as you think. Him and his agent are doing this because they think they have a chance based on the cowboys body language. If they didn't believe they had a chance that wouldn't hold out.

If Zeke was playing for a more tightly run ship like the Patriots there is ZERO chance he does this. 14 months ago when Stephen and Jerry started running there mouths about how "Zeke is locked in for life" "we already have the money allocated for him", "Todd Gurley is the starting point" would of NEVER happened to a team that's more tightly run.

14 months ago Kraft and Bellicheck would of straight up said to the media "no we don't run or organization like this and our history shows this, there will be no talks of negotiations next year" and that would of LITERALLY been the end of this.

Elliott is gunning for the biggest contract because the front office is literally giving him a platform to do so. It's not as far fetched as you think

 

[kskboys]

He ran as hard, played as hard, gave as much as any player I've ever seen play. It's funny, I've been one of the strongest proponents for the running game as there is on this board. Mostly because I watched this man play football. He was a great, great player.

Most powerful RB ever, but w/ the speed to take it to the house. And played on a team where they knew he was going to run it. No passing attack.

 

[kskboys]

PHI and NE both have shown you don't have to have an elite RB to have a really good running game. If you have an Elite OL and even just a good RB, you'll get great results.

What NE understands to a T is that all you need at RB is a tough inside runner who is quick to the hole. That's why they kept signing Blount, even though he was notoriously bad at everything else. But, run inside he could. And, incidentally, Blount was w/ Philly in their super bowl victory.

And when Blount left, NE took a RB in the 1st round to replace him.

 

[plasticman]

These days it’s almost as if the capologist is the most important element in winning a championship.

You can draft great players but don’t draft them where their contracts end simultaneously.

You can coach them up but don’t do too great a job and create too many elite players that demand larger contracts.

It seems as though you need a group of great underpaid players to win in this league. The best teams are the ones that can keep a player’a talent a secret from the league as well as the player himself. How in the world do you do that?

 

[armadillooutlaw]

What NE understands to a T is that all you need at RB is a tough inside runner who is quick to the hole. That's why they kept signing Blount, even though he was notoriously bad at everything else. But, run inside he could. And, incidentally, Blount was w/ Philly in their super bowl victory.

And when Blount left, NE took a RB in the 1st round to replace him.

That's what we had with Murray, and of course Zeke. A dude that gets the tough yards (especially at the goal line, third and short situations). Basically a grinder.
That's what allowed us to methodically move up and down the field at will in 2016, and to have such a great redzone offense.
I do agree with the folks that talk about how rushing yards alone don't make a good runner (see McFadden). Whether it's Zeke, Pollard or whoever, we need those tough situational yards.

 

[Beast_from_East]

These days it’s almost as if the capologist is the most important element in winning a championship.

You can draft great players but don’t draft them where their contracts end simultaneously.

You can coach them up but don’t do too great a job and create too many elite players that demand larger contracts.

It seems as though you need a group of great underpaid players to win in this league. The best teams are the ones that can keep a player’a talent a secret from the league as well as the player himself. How in the world do you do that?

The key is that you win a ring while all your great players are on their rookie contracts...……...see Seattle as an example

Or alternatively, you convince your star players to take less than market...…………..see the Pats as an example

Otherwise, dont draft all your good players at one time. Try to stagger them out so they dont all have to be paid at the same time.

 

[Frozen700]

Nothing we didn’t already know. The ego maniac wants to be paid the highest in every aspect or it’s not good enough. Having a great O line is biting the Cowboys in the butt. If Zeke wasn’t so spoiled with O lines his entire career he wouldn’t even have the stats to be demanding these contracts.

Please trade him to Miami so we can see how good he really is without a top 5-10 line in front of him. I hope he chokes on a big piece of humble pie, not that he would actually touch a piece of pie with a word in it that’s foreign to him.

Choke or breaks a leg.

Bum, he really thinks he's better than what he really is.

 

[Blue&Silver]

Ezekiel deserves to be the highest paid running back in football. He's better than Gurley. As a fan you appreciate when they take less to stay with the team, but as a business person Ezekiel has a legitimate argument, and I don't begrudge him his opportunity to cash in on his talents.

 

[CowboyinMD]

Ezekiel deserves to be the highest paid running back in football. He's better than Gurley. As a fan you appreciate when they take less to stay with the team, but as a business person Ezekiel has a legitimate argument, and I don't begrudge him his opportunity to cash in on his talents.

I don't want to disagree but the stats, at least over the past two seasons, say otherwise. I know that sounds like cherry picking to exclude 2016 (when Zeke had 15 TDs), but let's face it, we're all waiting to see *that* Zeke again. Yes, 2017 was cut short due to the suspension. Who's fault was that? Zeke's. And it should be taken into consideration when looking at contract negotiations, especially when the player is still under contract for two more seasons!

How about 2018? His ypc went back up (4.7) but a mere 6 TDs? 13 TDs in '17-18 compared to Gurley's 30? Especially when you consider Gurley was playing hurt at the end of the season last year? If I'm negotiating with Zeke's agent, how can he convince me Zeke deserves a contract equal to Gurley let alone more than Gurley? You can try to give me "Goff vs. Dak" or compare the Ram's OL vs. Dallas' OL all you want. If anything -- if Dak isn't in the same league as Goff (yet we keep hearing that Dak deserves to be paid as a top tier QB, but that's another thread) -- then Dallas should be running the ball more and Zeke should get more TD opportunities than Gurley.

Sorry, on the surface, I don't buy that Zeke is better than Todd Gurley. Go back and watch the 2016 film on Ezekiel Elliott. Not only was he slimmer, he was faster, no?? 15 TDs people. And we've been waiting for *that* Zeke ever since.

Still wanna pay him more than Gurley??

 

[Roland]

How do we know what SJ really meant by that comment anyway? Maybe he meant "I'm sure that's what Zeke and his agent will expect"...

That has been my thought as well. Everyone keeps bringing that up and leaning on that being the bottom line starting point for talks when that may have not been actual point Steven was trying to make. Could have meant what you said or "we know Gurleys contact numbers will paly a role in our negotiations"

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Most powerful RB ever, but w/ the speed to take it to the house. And played on a team where they knew he was going to run it. No passing attack.

Yep. Dan Pastorini was a tough QB, decent passer but he was not a guy that kept you up at night. That Oiler Offense was all about lining theirs up against yours and see if you could stop 34, that's true.

 

[Blue&Silver]

I don't want to disagree but the stats, at least over the past two seasons, say otherwise. I know that sounds like cherry picking to exclude 2016 (when Zeke had 15 TDs), but let's face it, we're all waiting to see *that* Zeke again. Yes, 2017 was cut short due to the suspension. Who's fault was that? Zeke's. And it should be taken into consideration when looking at contract negotiations, especially when the player is still under contract for two more seasons!

How about 2018? His ypc went back up (4.7) but a mere 6 TDs? 13 TDs in '17-18 compared to Gurley's 30? Especially when you consider Gurley was playing hurt at the end of the season last year? If I'm negotiating with Zeke's agent, how can he convince me Zeke deserves a contract equal to Gurley let alone more than Gurley? You can try to give me "Goff vs. Dak" or compare the Ram's OL vs. Dallas' OL all you want. If anything -- if Dak isn't in the same league as Goff (yet we keep hearing that Dak deserves to be paid as a top tier QB, but that's another thread) -- then Dallas should be running the ball more and Zeke should get more TD opportunities than Gurley.

Sorry, on the surface, I don't buy that Zeke is better than Todd Gurley. Go back and watch the 2016 film on Ezekiel Elliott. Not only was he slimmer, he was faster, no?? 15 TDs people. And we've been waiting for *that* Zeke ever since.

Still wanna pay him more than Gurley??

I definitely would. I'm not going to go in depth on stats, but Gurley is always hurt, and it's not going to get any easier for him from here on out. Ezekiel is less injured, and contracts go higher each year.

Ezekiel's problem is his off field antics. That's the only thing that would make me hesitate in making him the highest played player in football. Besides you can always massage a contract to make a player look like the highest-paid in football in reality he's not. Roseman over with the Eagles is good with that. We need someone to massage the money and make players happy when they get bad deals.