News: TF: Cowboys offer to Zeke approaches Gurley deal with a catch

[MaaS]

The AAV doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. It's the guaranteed money that matters. I suspect the Cowboys probably are OK approaching Gurley in AAV but don't want to sniff the guarantees of $45MM that Gurley got.

I worry Jerry is going to cave and screw up our cap doing something stupid like giving a TB $50MM guaranteed.

The Rams screwed us all. $45MM guaranteed for a RB is insane, but technically, it's "the market" for a player like Zeke now. I'm just hoping to have relatively little guaranteed left after 3 years.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

I hear ya,
- but I dunno about comparing us to the NE Pats and their Hall of Fame QB and head coach, they are obvious exceptional to the entire NFL.
but with Philly ..and their backup QB ? can we count on our head coach, coaching staff and management that put together that philly team together so well and so quickly that allowed
to them to be put into a super bowl? ..

that's their established identity, we have to stay place with what works best within our identity and do what we do best.
- a good RB and a great OL can still make you effective but having a great RB + great OL, places you on an even higher level to where DC's have to have sleepless nights and have to devise and alter
how they have to play you against, and they can only try to challenge you so much. the great players tend to change the dynamics. - and it capitalizes even further when you have great coaches
that know how to devise the best schemes and systems in place to better make players that much more effective.

I hear ya too. I understand Zeke commands the type of respect that makes DCs have to gameplan for.
But didn't defenses have to gameplan for the running game in 2014 when Murray (good, not great back) ran for almost 1900 yards?
That rushing attack was certainly the best in the league that year. But nobody would mistake DeMarco Murray for Adrian Peterson or Ezekiel Elliott.
DCs still stacked the box for Murray.
Just not sure the drop-off between a great and good back is enough to drop 15 million a year and likely lose a key piece or two on the defense.
I'm definitely not sure about these coaches, either, to be honest.
Just my humble opinion.

 

[bodi]

I would not give him any thing more I AM TIRED OF THIS

 

[flosho]

Give Zeke Gurley guaranteed money with the catch that if Zeke is suspended for personal conduct or drugs, he forfeits a large chunk of it.

 

[Brooksey]

RBs command less salary because they are deemed to be at greater risk of injury and have a shorter shelf life compared to other positions. Right or wrong, they are also deemed easier to replace. So when you factor these things into a free market situation, they command a lower salary.

Well its a free market situation right now and Zeke is not in camp so how's that working out?

 

[CowboyStar88]

He posted a tweet prior that said “in coming” and quickly deleted it. He posted this right after. Can we just get this done.

 

[Sydla]

I hear ya,
- but I dunno about comparing us to the NE Pats and their Hall of Fame QB and head coach, they are obvious exceptional to the entire NFL.
but with Philly ..and their backup QB ? can we count on our head coach, coaching staff and management that put together that philly team together so well and so quickly that allowed
to them to be put into a super bowl? ..

that's their established identity, we have to stay place with what works best within our identity and do what we do best.
- a good RB and a great OL can still make you effective but having a great RB + great OL, places you on an even higher level to where DC's have to have sleepless nights and have to devise and alter
how they have to play you against, and they can only try to challenge you so much. the great players tend to change the dynamics. - and it capitalizes even further when you have great coaches
that know how to devise the best schemes and systems in place to better make players that much more effective.

Agree with some of this stuff but then again, shouldn't it make you scratch your head that the logic here would be that we have to overpay for a TB because our HC, QB and coaching staff might be a problem?

 

[Sydla]

He posted a tweet prior that said “in coming” and quickly deleted it. He posted this right after. Can we just get this done.

What's the background on this guy? He gets a lot of Cowboys twitter follows but he always seems to be kind of a homer when I read his stuff.

 

[CowboyStar88]

What's the background on this guy? He gets a lot of Cowboys twitter follows but he always seems to be kind of a homer when I read his stuff.

I guess he works for cbs sports now, but he’s a pretty good follow for info from what I can see.

 

[Jake]

I expected that the issue of guaranteed money would be the major sticking point. It usually is with most contracts anyway, but I think that there are two points that make it an even bigger factor at work in these negotiations:

1. The Todd Gurley messed up the market. And it has proven to be a mistake for the Rams as they are now stuck with a running back with a balky knee because of that guaranteed money. They would get out of the deal I fully they could, but they can't. They are the cautionary tale for the rest of the league.
2. Elliott's own history should make anyone cautious in guaranteeing him anything. Let's face it, he can't guarantee that he can stay out of trouble and not miss games. So why should anyone guarantee him anything for that potential unknown? In short, they shouldn't. His own actions and choices created this dynamic, and he should be the one that suffers as a result, not anyone else.

I agree with what you said. Unfortunately, there's also this stupidity.



Stephen isn't some lowly staff member, he's the VP of Player Personnel. To utter something like this then try to backtrack is going to get called out by any agent worth his salt.

 

[Cowboys22]

Well its a free market situation right now and Zeke is not in camp so how's that working out?

Exactly as its supposed to when two sides have differing views of something's value.

 

[Rockport]

Agree with some of this stuff but then again, shouldn't it make you scratch your head that the logic here would be that we have to overpay for a TB because our HC, QB and coaching staff might be a problem?

They're not the problem but some of our fans ^^ are.

 

[Tussinman]

I agree with what you said. Unfortunately, there's also this stupidity.



Stephen isn't some lowly staff member, he's the VP of Player Personnel. To utter something like this then try to backtrack is going to get called out by any agent worth his salt.

Yep front office and their mouths dropped the ball on this one for sure.

The whole "oh we have money already allocated for zeke" "zeke is going to be a cowboy for life" and "gurley deal is the starting point" crap we've heard the last 14 months is disgraceful.

They basically gave leverage to a player that literally has zero leverage. If they had done what most smart franchises would of done (told him no negotiations this offseason and if he doesn't show up fine him 25% of his signing bonus which he probably doesn't even have in his bank account/has already spent ) he would of been screwed and had to show up. They artificially gave him leverage

 

[Sydla]

They're not the problem but some of our fans ^^ are.

So I understand this correctly............ the fact this team hasn't won at a high level isn't the fault of the coaches or players or the management................. it's some of the fans.

They are the real problem.

This is a dead honest question. Has there been a time when you visited this board and didn't say something incredibly stupid?

 

[Reid1boys]

Annoying part of this is people like Jerry Jones is literally creating leverage for a player that doesn't have any leverage.

Him running his mouth the last 14 months about paying him and cowboy for life and ranting about the negotiations publicially is artificially giving Zeke leverage.

If the cowboys where like other teams (not discussing details, cold shouldering agent, fining Zeke and requesting a junction in to get 4 million of the signing bonus back) Zeke would literally have zero leverage and be forced to come back, especially since I doubt he can afford paying the quarter of the signing bonus back + additional fines

Oh, its Jerry creating leverage. I thought the Rams redid Gurly's deal when he had 2 years remaining??? No??

 

[Hadenough]

I just dont see the problem with giving Zeke more than Gurley. He only has 2.5 years in the league. Set it up so he is a Cowboy for the next 4 years at 16 mil a season. That's cheap considering what he brings to the field.

 

[Stash]

I agree with what you said. Unfortunately, there's also this stupidity.



Stephen isn't some lowly staff member, he's the VP of Player Personnel. To utter something like this then try to backtrack is going to get called out by any agent worth his salt.

Yes, I've said before that they were ill-advised comments. But that doesn't mean he's stuck paying the guy based on those comments either.

 

[Sydla]

Yep front office and their mouths dropped the ball on this one for sure.

The whole "oh we have money already allocated for zeke" "zeke is going to be a cowboy for life" and "gurley deal is the starting point" crap we've heard the last 14 months is disgraceful.

They basically gave leverage to a player that literally has zero leverage. If they had done what most smart franchises would of done (told him no negotiations this offseason and if he doesn't show up fine him 25% of his signing bonus which he probably doesn't even have in his bank account/has already spent ) he would of been screwed and had to show up. They artificially gave him leverage

This notion that Elliott is now holding out because of what Stephen said 6 months ago is a bit far fetched.

Elliott was most likely gunning for the biggest contract for TBs regardless of what either Jones said or didn't say.

 

[Stash]

So I understand this correctly............ the fact this team hasn't won at a high level isn't the fault of the coaches or players or the management................. it's some of the fans.

They are the real problem.

This is a dead honest question. Has there been a time when you visited this board and didn't say something incredibly stupid?

 

[quickccc]

What's the background on this guy? He gets a lot of Cowboys twitter follows but he always seems to be kind of a homer when I read his stuff.

Patrick Walker was 24/7 Sports and was on top on posting breaking news, inside reports and updates but that site is obviously going south in a different direction and several are bailing.