TFE: Time To Weigh In On Murray Leaving Dallas

[Crown Royal]

Foles has more big game numbers than Bradford, and lets not forget they lost their Dez Bryant and Greg Hardy.

#1 WR Jeremy Maclin to the Chiefs.
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#1 Pass Rushing DE Trent Cole to the Colts.

Trent Cole has taken a backseat to Connor Barwin and Fletcher Cox.

Agree 100% on Maclin

 

[Crown Royal]

Upgrade at RB? You must be kidding

Major downgrade

Yeah...no way major makes any sense. You can zrgue downgrade but when you start going with words like major it is just silly.

 

[Derinyar]

It feels like the Eagles are very busy remaking a roster, but right now it looks like they've been trading downward a decent amount. Bradford from Foles is probably a sideways move. DeMarco from Shady is at best a sideways move. Their WRs might be better then the Seahawks now. The OLine now has 2 holes, or at least apparently. It seems to me that Kelly is wanting to put his stamp on things, even if things were working. I really don't get the Shady for a LB and then sign Murray portion. If the narrative of Kelly not wanting to have a lot of money tied up in RB was right I could get that, even if I wouldn't agree with it for a teams only real offensive weapon on the roster. Signing Murray blew that narrative out of the water.

Murray took the right deal for him. He went to a team that was willing to pay him like he was bordering on elite, which the Cowboys weren't willing to do. That team has had two winning seasons in a row. So he got a good deal for him with a team that at least looks like a winner. The Eagles guaranteed him about as much money as the Cowboys were willing to offer in total, if rumors are true.

 

[KingintheNorth]

DeMarco is ideal for what we wanted to do. Control time of possession, limit Romo having to make miracle play after miracle play, and keeping a bad defense off the field as much as possible. Chip wants to score all of the time. His plan is to run more plays, score quickly and score often, and also to limit the defense's ability to substitute. DeMarco seems like a bad fit for his style but I'm sure Kelly has a plan, right or wrong, because if there is one thing Chip Kelly loves more than offense, it is his love for people thinking he's a genius. For that and that alone, I will concede to the the OP's theme that Garrett > Kelly.

 

[Bleu Star]

This is part 1. Part 2 supposed to be out tomorrow. I'll add it to this thread.

http://www.thefootballeducator.com/time-weigh-demarco-murray-leaving-dallas/

Hope you enjoy it. I make some pretty bold predictions throughout. Oh, and I tweeted this and included Murray in the tweet in case he wants to read what a mistake I think he made.

I think you nailed it Both from the perspectives of peeling back the outer shell of his future in Filthy and the feelings that surrounded the negotiations. You nailed my feelings perfectly.

If he doesn't truly rid himself of the occasional fumbling issue, the level of discontent around that next untimely fumble will change his world. Filthy fans are unforgiving.

 

[JBS]

Yeah...no way major makes any sense. You can zrgue downgrade but when you start going with words like major it is just silly.

I guess we will have to wait and see

Shady is a premier back in this league and has been for a very long time

Murray was a nobody without the best rushing offensive line in front of him

 

[Stash]

Today I learned that Philly is going to be a dumpster fire even after upgrading their QB, RB and defense.

What is your rationale for believing that?

I'm interested to hear your thinking in how they've gotten better in those areas?

 

[Stash]

This is part 1. Part 2 supposed to be out tomorrow. I'll add it to this thread.

http://www.thefootballeducator.com/time-weigh-demarco-murray-leaving-dallas/

Hope you enjoy it. I make some pretty bold predictions throughout. Oh, and I tweeted this and included Murray in the tweet in case he wants to read what a mistake I think he made.

Quality work, very much enjoyed reading it. Thanks for sharing it!

 

[basstapp]

I would have went to the Jags over the Eagles. Yes, the Jags have been dumpster diving for a long time, but they appear to have a franchise QB, legitimate receivers, top TE and an owner that wants to win. Seems like a better opportunity then playing for the Eagles....

 

[Hostile]

Quality work, very much enjoyed reading it. Thanks for sharing it!

I sent it to Murray. Wonder if he'll actually read it?

 

[TwoDeep3]

The moment the team lowballed there was a possibility he would end up at the Eagles. Fact is, when they jettisoned Shady McCoy my first thought was what if the eagles snag Murray.

This comes down to one thing. Are you pushing your chips in the middle of the table and win now, or start some sort of fiscally responsible franchise theory?

On one side you are being careful about tomorrow, and years to come.

On the other side you are playing to win now.

Heard a radio thing on 103.3 yesterday around 5 pm, and it was something where Romo was perhaps making a speech. This was apparently recent, but I did not get in on the first part, so the set up was missed.

Romo said he was begging the team to win now. They elected to mind the finances and balance out the cap where they could manage it better.

Doesn't mean they can't draft a RB and win now. But in light of your best running back since Emmitt going to your biggest rival who has a shate pot of cap space and a coach with something to prove - regardless of the sour grapes arguments made by some here about speed and fumbles and the eroding of Murray's season stats - this is a curious time to get conservative when your QB is 35 and has a bad back.

 

[Stash]

I sent it to Murray. Wonder if he'll actually read it?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he did.

I checked out his press conference in Philadelphia and got the strong impression of a guy going through the motions where his heart wasn't in it. And it went badly from his opening statement of "It's not about the money, it about winning a Super Bowl". From the moment he said it, nobody believed it. Howard Eskin, one of the top sports vultures in Philadelphia, called him on it and couldn't believe he actually thought what he had said.

To me, it looked like a bad start and reminded me a lot of the Ricky Watters signing 20 years ago. "It's not about the money" will soon be right up there with "For who? For what?"

 

[popp1234]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he did.

I checked out his press conference in Philadelphia and got the strong impression of a guy going through the motions where his heart wasn't in it. And it went badly from his opening statement of "It's not about the money, it about winning a Super Bowl". From the moment he said it, nobody believed it. Howard Eskin, one of the top sports vultures in Philadelphia, called him on it and couldn't believe he actually thought what he had said.

To me, it looked like a bad start and reminded me a lot of the Ricky Watters signing 20 years ago. "It's not about the money" will soon be right up there with "For who? For what?"

Murray is smart enough to know that he has to say what the Eagles' fan base wants to hear, even though it was a stupid remark.

 

[Stash]

The moment the team lowballed there was a possibility he would end up at the Eagles. Fact is, when they jettisoned Shady McCoy my first thought was what if the eagles snag Murray.

This comes down to one thing. Are you pushing your chips in the middle of the table and win now, or start some sort of fiscally responsible franchise theory?

On one side you are being careful about tomorrow, and years to come.

On the other side you are playing to win now.

Heard a radio thing on 103.3 yesterday around 5 pm, and it was something where Romo was perhaps making a speech. This was apparently recent, but I did not get in on the first part, so the set up was missed.

Romo said he was begging the team to win now. They elected to mind the finances and balance out the cap where they could manage it better.

Doesn't mean they can't draft a RB and win now. But in light of your best running back since Emmitt going to your biggest rival who has a shate pot of cap space and a coach with something to prove - regardless of the sour grapes arguments made by some here about speed and fumbles and the eroding of Murray's season stats - this is a curious time to get conservative when your QB is 35 and has a bad back.

Conversely, I do not see the Hardy signing as being conservative. Quite the opposite in fact. I see it more as a value they set on Murray the player, not running back the position. It's why this fan still believes that they can be a landing spot for Peterson (not looking to debate that here).

I think they had a value set for how good they thought Murray was as a player, and they also factored in how good they thought their offensive line was, and how much of Murray's success was tied to that line. And then they factored in the other possible options (like McFadden, like a possible draft pick, and yes, possibly Peterson), and when they did that, the numbers that other teams were offering simply didn't work for the Cowboys.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Conversely, I do not see the Hardy signing as being conservative. Quite the opposite in fact. I see it more as a value they set on Murray the player, not running back the position. It's why this fan still believes that they can be a landing spot for Peterson (not looking to debate that here).

I think they had a value set for how good they thought Murray was as a player, and they also factored in how good they thought their offensive line was, and how much of Murray's success was tied to that line. And then they factored in the other possible options (like McFadden, like a possible draft pick, and yes, possibly Peterson), and when they did that, the numbers that other teams were offering simply didn't work for the Cowboys.

Good point, Stash. And one that can be made easily since DE and a pass rush is what this team lacks.

But understand, they will have to go to the Romo well and redo his contract if Hardy hits any of his major bonuses. So if the league somehow suspends him four games, and Hardy plays in the rest, and suddenly has a contract season performance where he has double digits sacks, his price jumps up over 10 million.

I advocate pass rush, as you know, so I cannot complain about this. So in a sense they are going for it. I guess the AP story will tell the tale.

 

[Stash]

Murray is smart enough to know that he has to say what the Eagles' fan base wants to hear, even though it was a stupid remark.

I just found it more than a little funny that nobody - even the local media - bought the sincerity of the statement for a second. It's one thing to say something to prop up the team and make a good impression, but when nobody believes it for a second, you're simply damaging your credibility.

 

[Hostile]

The moment the team lowballed there was a possibility he would end up at the Eagles. Fact is, when they jettisoned Shady McCoy my first thought was what if the eagles snag Murray.

This comes down to one thing. Are you pushing your chips in the middle of the table and win now, or start some sort of fiscally responsible franchise theory?

On one side you are being careful about tomorrow, and years to come.

On the other side you are playing to win now.

Heard a radio thing on 103.3 yesterday around 5 pm, and it was something where Romo was perhaps making a speech. This was apparently recent, but I did not get in on the first part, so the set up was missed.

Romo said he was begging the team to win now. They elected to mind the finances and balance out the cap where they could manage it better.

Doesn't mean they can't draft a RB and win now. But in light of your best running back since Emmitt going to your biggest rival who has a shate pot of cap space and a coach with something to prove - regardless of the sour grapes arguments made by some here about speed and fumbles and the eroding of Murray's season stats - this is a curious time to get conservative when your QB is 35 and has a bad back.

I will be blunt, in my not so humble opinion, the depth of RB in this Draft did more to restrain Jerry Jones' and the Dallas Cowboys wallet than all of the imagined change in philosophy inside Valley Ranch. I think the consortium of those who strategize the off season moves always planned to keep him, but at the low ball price. If there was no depth in this Draft at RB, I think he'd have got a huge deal to stay.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I will be blunt, in my not so humble opinion, the depth of RB in this Draft did more to restrain Jerry Jones' and the Dallas Cowboys wallet than all of the imagined change in philosophy inside Valley Ranch. I think the consortium of those who strategize the off season moves always planned to keep him, but at the low ball price. If there was no depth in this Draft at RB, I think he'd have got a huge deal to stay.

I think the baton is being passed to Stephen.

 

[Hostile]

Conversely, I do not see the Hardy signing as being conservative. Quite the opposite in fact. I see it more as a value they set on Murray the player, not running back the position. It's why this fan still believes that they can be a landing spot for Peterson (not looking to debate that here).

I think they had a value set for how good they thought Murray was as a player, and they also factored in how good they thought their offensive line was, and how much of Murray's success was tied to that line. And then they factored in the other possible options (like McFadden, like a possible draft pick, and yes, possibly Peterson), and when they did that, the numbers that other teams were offering simply didn't work for the Cowboys.

I too think there is going to be a push to get Peterson here. By his team of handlers and the Dallas brass. The question is, is there time? Because if it is not done by the Draft, then we have to take a RB early. Peterson's power of applying pressure actually increases after the Draft because he can not show up for OTAs, mini camps, and Training Camp. For anything mandatory he can claim a mystery injury.

I think the Vikings are going to play 2015 without him. The only remaining question is, what cost? Do we trade for him? Do they decide it is pointless and waive him to create the cap room.

I don't think that story line is dead at all.

 

[Hostile]

I think the baton is being passed to Stephen.

Love the Tony Romo line that Jason and Stephen have 20 to 25 more years to win, but Tony and Jerry only have 4 or 5.