TFE: Time To Weigh In On Murray Leaving Dallas

[TwoDeep3]

Love the Tony Romo line that Jason and Stephen have 20 to 25 more years to win, but Tony and Jerry only have 4 or 5.

Yes, loved that part. Jerry, maybe not so much.

 

[mahoneybill]

The poster showed me a link to Part 2 of this article. It wasn't supposed ot be out until tomorrow. So I am rather shocked.

http://www.thefootballeducator.com/time-to-weigh-in-on-demarco-murray-leaving-dallas-part-2/

There is the link as promised and my sincere apologies to the poster I doubted. He didn't need a DeLorean.

Thanks for the post. Murray will feel the full wrath of the Philly fans if a fumble or two leads to a loss. Especially if it happens during a home game......

 

[mahoneybill]

DeMarco is ideal for what we wanted to do. Control time of possession, limit Romo having to make miracle play after miracle play, and keeping a bad defense off the field as much as possible. Chip wants to score all of the time. His plan is to run more plays, score quickly and score often, and also to limit the defense's ability to substitute. DeMarco seems like a bad fit for his style but I'm sure Kelly has a plan, right or wrong, because if there is one thing Chip Kelly loves more than offense, it is his love for people thinking he's a genius. For that and that alone, I will concede to the the OP's theme that Garrett > Kelly.

If the " 1000 yards before contact" stat is true Chip may see that all he did by releasing McCoy was replace him with the same as Murray , behind a line not as capable as Dallas, gets tackled for no or little gains....

 

[PBCCowboy]

Just wait for Philly's reaction once Murray starts leaving the ball on the ground.

 

[Stash]

I too think there is going to be a push to get Peterson here. By his team of handlers and the Dallas brass. The question is, is there time? Because if it is not done by the Draft, then we have to take a RB early. Peterson's power of applying pressure actually increases after the Draft because he can not show up for OTAs, mini camps, and Training Camp. For anything mandatory he can claim a mystery injury.

I think the Vikings are going to play 2015 without him. The only remaining question is, what cost? Do we trade for him? Do they decide it is pointless and waive him to create the cap room.

I don't think that story line is dead at all.

I'm wondering about the Compensatory picks process, and how the Hardy signing affects them. If we're still looking to be getting several in 2016, I would be more willing to part with a 2016 pick if it got this deal done and allowed the Vikings to think they're getting something.

That said, Peterson has to significantly reduce his asking price if he truly wants to play in Texas and for the Cowboys too.

I know plenty of people are sick of hearing about this story, but until it's resolved otherwise, I will continue to believe that Peterson has more than a good chance of being a Dallas Cowboy in 2015.

 

[Hostile]

I'm wondering about the Compensatory picks process, and how the Hardy signing affects them. If we're still looking to be getting several in 2016, I would be more willing to part with a 2016 pick if it got this deal done and allowed the Vikings to think they're getting something.

That said, Peterson has to significantly reduce his asking price if he truly wants to play in Texas and for the Cowboys too.

I know plenty of people are sick of hearing about this story, but until it's resolved otherwise, I will continue to believe that Peterson has more than a good chance of being a Dallas Cowboy in 2015.

Comp picks are determined by Unrestricted Free Agency and salary. If we lose more UFAs than we sign, we will get some picks. For instance, Corey White was signed by us, but he was released by New Orleans. So he will not count.

So far we have lost Murray, Carter, Durrant, Moore, Melton, Harris, and Parnell. That is 7 so far. We still potentially could lose McClain, Selvie, Spencer, Spillman, Hills, Anderson, and Clutts. That is 7 more. I think only 1 of them is wanted back and that is McClain. Whether we get him or not is another story.

Hardy is going to cancel one of those because he was a UFA. McFadden will cancel another. Brinkley another. Gackar as well. That is four.

Collins, Agnew, and Rivers were not UFAs. They were released just like White.

Once all are signed, and salaries revealed we'll start getting an idea on how many picks we might receive in 2016. Right now, I'd say it will be 4.

 

[Crown Royal]

What is your rationale for believing that?

I'm interested to hear your thinking in how they've gotten better in those areas?

I think when healthy, Bradford is a clear upgrade over Foles. I may be wrong, but it seems Kelly is willing to overpay a bit to take Bradford in the last year of his contract over Foles.

Trent Cole was beginning to age and fall at the end of the year, so they jettisoned him. they brought in Kiko Alonso who helps the LBer corps and they upgraded the secondary with Byron Maxwell (who is clearly a better player than fletcher).

I personally think that Murray is a much better fit than McCoy in that offense. He gets another very good offensive line, is far more decisive than McCoy in what hole to hit, will benefit from a misdirection game and is very tough to tackle. He doesn't have the top end spead or shake & bake of McCoy, but he isn't going to lose you yards dancing either.

the last point is the most debateable - I think McCoy is likely a better RB overall, but in that offense I think Murray will be better.


Anyway - before the bradford trade, I think the Philly moves were silly. But when I step back and look at the team now, I think the only thing that would give me pause is that they let Maclin walk. Otherwise I think they got better overall.

EDIT: I said Brandon Browner, meant Byron Maxwell

 

[Stash]

Comp picks are determined by Unrestricted Free Agency and salary. If we lose more UFAs than we sign, we will get some picks. For instance, Corey White was signed by us, but he was released by New Orleans. So he will not count.

So far we have lost Murray, Carter, Durrant, Moore, Melton, Harris, and Parnell. That is 7 so far. We still potentially could lose McClain, Selvie, Spencer, Spillman, Hills, Anderson, and Clutts. That is 7 more. I think only 1 of them is wanted back and that is McClain. Whether we get him or not is another story.

Hardy is going to cancel one of those because he was a UFA. McFadden will cancel another. Brinkley another. Gackar as well. That is four.

Collins, Agnew, and Rivers were not UFAs. They were released just like White.

Once all are signed, and salaries revealed we'll start getting an idea on how many picks we might receive in 2016. Right now, I'd say it will be 4.

But I guess it's safe to say that the article posted about that 'bonanza' of comp picks is essentially out the window then? They were talking about possible 3rd through 6th round picks for the players we had lost.

Given the Hardy, Brinkley, and Gashkar signings, it looks like those ideas are out of the question.

 

[dallasdave]

Thanks for the post. Murray will feel the full wrath of the Philly fans if a fumble or two leads to a loss. Especially if it happens during a home game......

Or a playoff game like Greenbay

 

[Stash]

I think when healthy, Bradford is a clear upgrade over Foles. I may be wrong, but it seems Kelly is willing to overpay a bit to take Bradford in the last year of his contract over Foles.

Numbers, and injuries show otherwise, and I think the article clearly supported that.

Trent Cole was beginning to age and fall at the end of the year, so they jettisoned him. they brought in Kiko Alonso who helps the LBer corps and they upgraded the secondary with Byron Maxwell (who is clearly a better player than fletcher).

Cole may have been declining, but he was clearly their second-best outside linebacker/pass rusher and he hasn't been adequately replaced. That adds up to a net loss.

Alonso is a fine player and possibly gives them the best ILB group in the league, along with Kendricks, DeMeco Ryans, and Brad Jones. No arguments there, other than how many of them can be on the field at the same time?

And while Maxwell is clearly a better player than Fletcher, is he 'clearly a better player' than Cary Williams? Because that's the true comparison. I find it more than a bit coincidental that the Seahawks were quick to sign Williams, essentially 'trading' players. It will be interesting to see who does better in his new home, won't it?

I personally think that Murray is a much better fit than McCoy in that offense. He gets another very good offensive line, is far more decisive than McCoy in what hole to hit, will benefit from a misdirection game and is very tough to tackle. He doesn't have the top end spead or shake & bake of McCoy, but he isn't going to lose you yards dancing either.

All I see here is opinion, not supported by facts. If Kelly has his way, Murray will be playing behind a line minus not one, but two quality guards. Maybe some people think they're disposable and easily replaced, but I'm not one of them. The loss of Herremans and Mathis will be significant.

As for talent? Nobody in the league outside of Cowboys fans considers Murray to be a better running back than McCoy. Murray may not lose yards 'dancing' but he won't hit the home runs that McCoy did either, especially when 2/5ths of the offensive line is gone and there's no receivers threatening a defense.

the last point is the most debateable - I think McCoy is likely a better RB overall, but in that offense I think Murray will be better.

As I outlined above, I see no reasons to support that stance.

Anyway - before the bradford trade, I think the Philly moves were silly. But when I step back and look at the team now, I think the only thing that would give me pause is that they let Maclin walk. Otherwise I think they got better overall.

EDIT: I said Brandon Browner, meant Byron Maxwell

And I'll respectfully disagree, as I have supported above.

Thanks for clarifying your stance!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This is part 1. Part 2 supposed to be out tomorrow. I'll add it to this thread.

http://www.thefootballeducator.com/time-weigh-demarco-murray-leaving-dallas/

Hope you enjoy it. I make some pretty bold predictions throughout. Oh, and I tweeted this and included Murray in the tweet in case he wants to read what a mistake I think he made.

Nice read, august visitor.

at the end of the day, it is what is is. It's not about money, of course, because it's a team effort and we get back what we put in.

But for all you smug ones here who were quick to say, you say: "RB is no longer a key position" or "We can plug in another young RB" or "His salary demands are too high" (while thowing money at Romo, Beasley and other supposed faces of the Cowboys, WE HALF TO PLAY PHILLY TWICE NEXT YEAR AND MURRAY WILL BE OUT TO SHOW WHAT WE LOST!

Ok, i half recovered my composture now. So let me say this: We lost a good one and if 1,800 do not support it then nothing will.

a astute observer,
Gimme

 

[Chuck 54]

Ouch....you compliment Murray plenty, but that was a sharp jab in the beginning....we were a "fumble" away from playing for the SB.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Murray saying it wasn't about the money and he could have had better offers is about as genuine as when Reggie White said God told him to go to Greenbay.

Which, coincidently, just happened to be the place offering the most money.

It was about the money and I'm 100% certain he took the deal with the most money.

Athletes say that crap all the time now about how they were offered more somewhere else. It's PR with the new team that they took less money to play with their team.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

In Murray’s introductory Press Conference he said, “It isn’t about money.”

When they say "it isn't about the money", it is always about the money.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Ouch....you compliment Murray plenty, but that was a sharp jab in the beginning....we were a "fumble" away from playing for the SB.

I don't doubt that played a role in the decision making on behalf of the Cowboys. That one was lost because the ball wasn't protected, but it wasn't the only one.There were just too many wide open holes that were missed.

I can't help but feel the Cowboys saw a lot of what I saw last year, plays that should have resulted in more yards. Murray is good, but they can do better.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Chip is lucky Kyle Orton was starting two years ago or he would've lost to an average at best Cowboys team.

Can't wait to dominate them twice this year and watch those fickle fans go nuts on Chip and Murray

 

[DFWJC]

People keep missing out on what Murray was saying about money vs Super Bowls.

He WAS NOT referring to Dallas.
That comment was about Oakland.
He took less money to play in Philly over Oakland because the chance, in his opinion, to win was better.

Dallas was so far out of the running by then, they were not even in the equation.

 

[Hostile]

But I guess it's safe to say that the article posted about that 'bonanza' of comp picks is essentially out the window then? They were talking about possible 3rd through 6th round picks for the players we had lost.

Given the Hardy, Brinkley, and Gashkar signings, it looks like those ideas are out of the question.

I don't know that it is, but it was certainly premature because the NFL only awards 32 of those to equal an 8 round draft. We have to qualify as losing guys that all fall into that top 32 salaries.

 

[Stash]

I don't know that it is, but it was certainly premature because the NFL only awards 32 of those to equal an 8 round draft. We have to qualify as losing guys that all fall into that top 32 salaries.

Here's the article I was referring to if you haven't already seen it:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2015...satory-draft-picks-for-dallas-cowboys-in-2016

 

[kTXe]

But understand, they will have to go to the Romo well and redo his contract if Hardy hits any of his major bonuses. So if the league somehow suspends him four games, and Hardy plays in the rest, and suddenly has a contract season performance where he has double digits sacks, his price jumps up over 10 million.

This isn't true. All of the sack bonuses and almost all of the roster bonuses are considered "not likely to be earned" because Hardy would not have met the thresholds for those bonuses last season. Those bonuses, if earned, will count against next year's cap, not this year's. We have plenty of cap room next season to handle Hardy's bonuses without touching Romo's deal.