Thanking Rams, Eagles

[Denim Chicken]

First of all, while Manning was a free agent he was at the end of his career and the only reason he hit free agency was because Indy had the #1 pick and Luck was there. The franchise wanted a new direction. And in reality, Manning is an anomaly in that big time QBs rarely hit free agency.

And are you talking about Brock Osweiler as being a franchise QB?

I know it doesn't happen often. I'm just messing with Stash cause he's messing with me over Cutler.

My original point was you can win without Elite QB play-like the Broncos did last year.

 

[DogFace]

Yet another lie! From a fountain of misinformation. Where did I ever say any such thing? Where did I ever say that we were "fools for passing" on players that never got to our draft position? You should produce it or be banned for blatantly lying about and making false claims against someone else!

Furthermore, how can anyone claim the Cowboys "passed" on players they never had the opportunity to draft? You sir are nothing more than a liar who doesn't deserve to be here.



As per the norm, you've got nothing of substance to your position and simply run to the fact that players have actually busted as some kind of support for a failed argument.

And now resorted to making up bold-faced lies about other people.

You deserve to be banned.

You were very worked up about us, I guess, not wanting Goff and Wentz as bad as you. This was the thread likely closed because of excessive whining.

You said they were consensus top picks. And we weren't picking them and you were very very upset about this. I never quoted you.

What would a reasonable person take from this?
Fools for passing is what you inferred.

Can anyone be banned for whining too hard on the Internet?

I'm telling my mommy you were mean to me.

 

[Stash]

Franchise Quarterbacks don't become free agents. It just doesn't happen.

Your words.

Yet one just won the SB.

You can't make this stuff up.

Keep diggin, lol.

Let me know if and when you'd care to talk about the reasons why Peyton Manning ever became available. And then how you would duplicate those conditions? I eagerly await the response.

Jay Cutler - free agent.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Let me know if and when you'd care to talk about the reasons why Peyton Manning ever became available. And then how you would duplicate those conditions? I eagerly await the response.

Jay Cutler - free agent.

Doesn't matter, you said it.

Your wrong

 

[CyberB0b]

The Rams did it better than some though.
Stud RB
Stud defense
Equals
Way easier for any QB

They did start addressing the line..pretty good LT

They don't have a stud defense.

 

[Stash]

Yep, that's definitely true, too.

To be successful with a QB prospect, you pretty much need everything. He needs weapons. He needs protection. He needs coaching. He needs a situation where he can get reps.

And then you have to have a guy with all the tools (or most of them), and with the mental make-up to get better. And no matter how much college evaluation you do, the NFL game is enough different that the best you can do is an imperfect projection of how good he can become when throwing windows are measured in inches instead of yards and timing passes means knowing where both the receiver and the coverage is going to be when the ball arrives even if you can't see it before you release.

Yep. It takes an almost perfect form of factors aligning just right for ultimate success.

It's tough. I"m completely bummed we didn't get a chance this season with the top 4 pick to add a guy. And I'd be ok with reaching for Lynch even, though there are several options I'd prefer to that one still available. But I understand the reasoning here. And it sounds like we did inquire as to the price and decided it was more than we were in a position to pay given however long we've still got Romo.

And at those costs, I give them credit for passing.

But I'm right there with ya, bummed...

 

[Sydla]

Here's the reality. Franchise level QBs rarely hit FA. You might find one or two examples over a long period but rarely do they hit free agency. And when they do, they typically do so because of an unusual situation. For example, Manning. The Colts had the #1 pick in a draft that had a generational QB prospect. And while Manning had performed well for them, he had an injury that gave them pause and was due a heavy chunk of change. That's why he hit free agency.

The undercurrent to all of this is the discussion of what the Cowboys will do beyond Romo.......... if people think the Cowboys can just hit free agency and find his replacement when he's done, you are seriously reaching. If people think they can find the next franchise QB of the Cowboys in the 4th round of the NFL draft, while possible, it's really, really unlikely.

The next franchise QB will likely have to come from the draft and likely the first round. When is the right time to use a first round pick on a QB? At this point, it's anyone's guess.

 

[LandryFan]

I don't think it takes a "crystal ball" to see that the proliferation of spread offenses vs more pro style systems will make it harder and harder to find NFL-ready players.

My own opinion is that the situation will reach a breaking point where it starts to hurt the NFL product and it will ultimately take the game where it should have gone years ago. To a true minor-league system with NFL teams acquiring, coaching, and developing players for the future.

It continues to amaze me that the league still refuses to commit to it.

I agree with everything you said here. The only thing I would add is that if the league doesn't make changes that will allow for QB development (minor league, roster exemptions, etc), then the league as a whole will be using inferior QB's (inferior by today's standards) and everyone will be on an equal playing field (pun not intended). I have felt for a while that that is where the league is headed. Everyone will be selecting from a pool of mediocre, at best QB's, so it'll be a matter of whose QB sucks the least. All that said, I could be wrong.

 

[Stash]

Doesn't matter, you said it.

"Doesn't matter"? It does to everyone with a functional brain who watches the NFL. "Doesn't matter" to the uninformed lesser minds who can't handle the burden of excessive thinking.

Again, tell all of us how you expect to duplicate the Peyton Manning situation to get your next quarterback?

Your wrong

And you can't spell. I'm not wrong about a damn thing here. And unlike you, I'm not making false claims about free agents that never were either. Your credibility is zero.

Jay Cutler - free agent.

 

[MrPhil]

My original point was you can win without Elite QB play-like the Broncos did last year.

You are correct, but the Broncos had an Elite defense. Wwe do not have an elite level defense and given all the stupidity of failed drug tests, our inability to draft quality DBs until last year seemingly and our lack of sacks/turnovers last year, I would not put money on us having one during the rest of Romo's career.

 

[Stash]

Here's the reality. Franchise level QBs rarely hit FA. You might find one or two examples over a long period but rarely do they hit free agency. And when they do, they typically do so because of an unusual situation. For example, Manning. The Colts had the #1 pick in a draft that had a generational QB prospect. And while Manning had performed well for them, he had an injury that gave them pause and was due a heavy chunk of change. That's why he hit free agency.

The undercurrent to all of this is the discussion of what the Cowboys will do beyond Romo.......... if people think the Cowboys can just hit free agency and find his replacement when he's done, you are seriously reaching. If people think they can find the next franchise QB of the Cowboys in the 4th round of the NFL draft, while possible, it's really, really unlikely.

The next franchise QB will likely have to come from the draft and likely the first round. When is the right time to use a first round pick on a QB? At this point, it's anyone's guess.

Thanks for being a voice of reason and intelligence among the ignorance.

 

[Denim Chicken]

"Doesn't matter"? It does to everyone with a functional brain who watches the NFL. "Doesn't matter" to the uninformed lesser minds who can't handle the burden of excessive thinking.

Again, tell all of us how you expect to duplicate the Peyton Manning situation to get your next quarterback?



And you can't spell. I'm not wrong about a damn thing here. And unlike you, I'm not making false claims about free agents that never were either. Your credibility is zero.

Jay Cutler - free agent.

You said it and were wrong.

Quit crying.

 

[Stash]

I agree with everything you said here. The only thing I would add is that if the league doesn't make changes that will allow for QB development (minor league, roster exemptions, etc), then the league as a whole will be using inferior QB's (inferior by today's standards) and everyone will be on an equal playing field (pun not intended). I have felt for a while that that is where the league is headed. Everyone will be selecting from a pool of mediocre, at best QB's, so it'll be a matter of whose QB sucks the least. All that said, I could be wrong.

They have to commit to it fully, not the half-assed World League attempts of the past.

None of this 'pool' or 'allocation' crap, where a team has 5 or 6 guys they send away to be coached by an outsider in a foreign system. I'm talking about a true minor league system. Run by the individual teams and it's coaches with its own players.

Cowboys players being coached by Cowboys coaches in the Cowboys playbook. Playing games in the Cowboys stadium. Heck, you can even market it using the team names and logos! Or at least some recognization variation of it.

 

[Stash]

You said it and were wrong.

Quit crying.

I'm not "crying" about a thing. I like taking fools to school. Keep at it!



Jay Cutler - free agent.

 

[Denim Chicken]

You are correct, but the Broncos had an Elite defense. Wwe do not have an elite level defense and given all the stupidity of failed drug tests, our inability to draft quality DBs until last year seemingly and our lack of sacks/turnovers last year, I would not put money on us having one during the rest of Romo's career.

That is why I want to draft BPA Defensive player's and not give away picks for QBs that will probably bust out of panic.

 

[DogFace]

I suspect that's clearly what they are doing. The question is, how smart is that? We'll find out.

But if they think they are going to outsmart people and find that gem in the 3rd or 4th round to be Romo's replacement, I think they need the ductwork in their offices checked. Because something in the air is poisoning their brains.

We are all scared by the Carter, Henson etc years. Hopefully they learned and have a better plan next time.

I still think this year we are very close and could be better served filling other roles.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I'm not "crying" about a thing. I like taking fools to school. Keep at it!



Jay Cutler - free agent.

You are crying in every thread bc the Egals are stealing your crush.

 

[LandryFan]

They have to commit to it fully, not the half-assed World League attempts of the past.

None of this 'pool' or 'allocation' crap, where a team has 5 or 6 guys they send away to be coached by an outsider in a foreign system. I'm talking about a true minor league system. Run by the individual teams and it's coaches with its own players.

Cowboys players being coached by Cowboys coaches in the Cowboys playbook. Playing games in the Cowboys stadium. Heck, you can even market it using the team names and logos! Or at least some recognization variation of it.

I can't imagine that the league hasn't strongly considered such a system in the past. My guess is that the owners didn't see profitability in such a venture so they opted not to go there. Admittedly, pure speculation on my part.

 

[Stash]

You are crying in every thread bc the Egals are stealing your crush.

Keep it up.

Jay Cutler - free agent.

We'll make sure everyone in the forum knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that you don't know your *** from a hole in the ground.

 

[MrPhil]

That is why I want to draft BPA Defensive player's and not give away picks for QBs that will probably bust out of panic.

If you are focused on defensive players then you are not necessarily drafting the BPA. I do understand the desire to have an Elite defense, I want one too.

That said, lets be realistic about the QBs, neither you nor I know for sure that either will "probably bust". To pretend otherwise is either naïve or grandstanding.