That Pollard Myth?

HungryLion

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He was doing a fine job in that regard before the knee and then looked good up until that second Thursday night game at Tennessee. I think that second quick turnaround took the last of the gas out of his tank. It is what it is man. In football guys get worn down, banged up, beat up and hurt. I think Zeke will be fine with rest, but he isn't going to get any of that until the pre-Super Bowl break. :cool:

I hear ya. But that’s kind of the issue. The older a RB gets and the more career Carries they get. The faster and easier they get beat up and lose their juice.

It’s just the reality of the position unfortunately. It’s not zeke’s fault. It just happens to every RB sooner or later.
 

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Tony Pollard leads THE ENTIRE NFL in yards after contact per rush. This is not a fluke. He was 6th last year. Zeke is 35th.

If you think that Pollard is a light runner who goes down easily and Zeke is regularly blowing people up, you need your eyes checked or just a calender that shows you its not 2017 anymore.

So, is Pollard a "bell cow"? There are a grand total of 2 players getting 20 or more carries a game. Another 6 get 15 to 20. If Pollard was getting 15 carries a game, he would be among the league leaders and could certainly handle that.

Zeke used to be a great RB. He isn't anymore. Dallas' over use of him may cost them dearly.

Pollard is really good.


Nah man this can’t be true. I feel like Zeke breaks more tackles and gets more yards after contact. So it must be true.
 

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I swear it looks like he not only makes more people miss but breaks more tackles than Zeke.

I think the whole broken tackle thing is about perceptions. After the Eagles game I chronicled no less than 7 broken tackles in that game by Zeke. The official stats gave him 2. I did the same after the Giants game on Thanksgiving where I think I had him at 6.. Again, the official stats came up with 2. I think what it comes down to is on a lot of Zeke's runs the first guy grabs on and goes for a ride but Zeke doesn't go down until the 2nd and 3rd defenders come in to help. I guess technically that would not count as a "broken tackle" so by the letter of the law they're correct. But when I'm watching the play where the first guy comes unblocked and has Zeke dead to rights in the backfield but Zeke drags him for a 3-4 yard gain I'm not inclined to see that as a negative. How others see it is up to them.

I'm willing to give the official stat keepers a pass because so many of Zeke's runs are in traffic in amongst too many bodies to be absolutely sure who actually tackled him. The bottom line is that in games where the interior of our offensive line is getting beat we need TP to attack the edges but we also need Zeke to keep hitting it between the tackles to keep the DEs and LBs from shooting outside and keeping Pollard from getting there. The one two punch works .. Other people can trip about the salaries. I don't care one little bit about that. That's an offseason discussion.
 

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The myth that he's just a speed back and can't run tough. I think he's more than proven this over the last year. You can't tell me that you haven't seen him run into guys and he is still getting yards. I guess there's just going to forever be that stigma over his head that speed backs are just what they are.

I think he's proven people wrong. I heard Troy Aikman also allude to the fact of how strong he's seen him run. Not that I'm basing anything off what these guys say on TV, but I've seen him do it often. It's time to give him his props!!

He's tougher than what you think, heck he's from Memphis "MANE"
He runs tough. Anyone paying attention to that will admit that. I just don't think he's the short yardage back that Zeke is right now but he runs tough for sure.
 

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Nah, he's right. What evidence you have that Zeke breaks more tackles?
See my post below yours.. I think Zeke does break more tackles but because most of his carries are in the heavy traffic I think the stat keepers miss a lot of them. Too many bodies in the picture.
 

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I also hate that Pollard gets us into the 10 yard line and then they sub him out and put Zeke in the game. I bet Tony Pollard is super frustrated with that crap. I would hate that as a RB. Especially when he has show he can get tough yards. I could see 3rd and 1 or when we are 1 to 2 yards outside of the goal line but when we 10-15 yards away? Giving the ball to Zeke is almost a wasted down unless we are trying to get 1 or 2 yards.


As a former small running back who would get subbed out on the goal line I guarantee you TP is frustrated about it. But in the final analysis it's about doing what's best for the team. There was one game where we had goal to go and they gave it to TP two times in a row and he got dropped for a loss on one and no gain on the other. They subbed in Zeke and he powered in without much trouble. I think the coaching staff learned a lesson that day. Yes Pollard can get tough yards SOMETIMES.. but he simply is not as reliable at doing so as Zeke is. There is nothing wrong with admitting that your teammate is better at something than you are. Zeke did it when they had that sit down interview with him and TP.. He acknowledged the things that Pollard brought to the table that he no longer could and he embraced it ... My guess is if you asked Pollard about Zeke getting the ball in those situations he'd have a similar attitude. Yes I can do it.. but that guy does it better.
 

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See my post below yours.. I think Zeke does break more tackles but because most of his carries are in the heavy traffic I think the stat keepers miss a lot of them. Too many bodies in the picture.
I don't believe that. Guys like Henry, Jacobs, Chubb all rank pretty high in broken tackles and they go thru heavy traffic too
 

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I swear some people watch these games with blinders on. This consistent fallacy that Zeke picks up tough yards or that he is a powerback. His yards after contact are horrendous. He can't make the 1st defender miss anymore.

He is too slow to get around the edge. He falls with every slap to the ankle. He gets a hand off and plots forward for 2 yds then falls. Rinse and repeat. Then the same group of guys will come in and say it's lack of blocking or the defending team's defense which is responsible for his lack of production.

At this point of his career Zeke is ivory spring. He was an excellent running back before Dallas wore him out and injuries sat in. But currently he is a drain on the offense. Every carry given to him is a waste and puts Dallas in 2nd and long or 3rd and long.
 

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I swear some people watch these games with blinders on. This consistent fallacy that Zeke picks up tough yards or that he is a powerback. Is yours after contact or horrendous. He can't make the 1st defender miss.

He is too slow to get around the edge. He falls with every slap to the ankle. He he gets a hand off and plots forward for 2 yds then falls. Rinse and repeat. Then the same group of guys will come in and say it's lack of blocking or the defending team's defense which is responsible for his lack of production.

At this point of his career Zeke is ivory spring. He was an excellent running back before Dallas wore him out and injuries sat in. But currently c he is a drain on the offense. Every carry given to him is a waste and puts Dallas in 2nd and long or 3rd and long.


I've said this for years now, he's VERY EASY to tackle, goes down easily for a bigger back, can't make you miss, too slow to get around the edge. I don't know what they see in practice to make us keep giving him those plays.

Another thing is he always looking for contact instead of trying to avoid it which causes him to fall over often
 
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