That still was a catch! **merge**

[Hoofbite]

The rule is dumb and is nothing more than another rule they have instituted to take good plays away. Like instant reply anymore. It was instituted to correct bad calls. Because almost everything is automatically reviewed anymore instant replay more often than not isn't being used to correct bad calls but rather refute good plays. The net effect is that every single turnover or score is reviewed and often times they come off the board based on some minute detail that nobody even saw while the play happened. Coaches, players, announcers and fans are all scrutinizing every single frame of instant replay trying to find some shred of a reason as to why a play shouldn't stand. Imagine how many games would have been altered if those were automatic reviews since instant replay was first put in, and not just additions over the past 2 to 3 seasons. I think they need to do away with automatic reviews and force coaches to choose when they want to review a play. I can support giving coaches the chance to correct a mistake but this whole system is just geared towards taking away good plays based on the flimsiest of evidence.

I can't stand rules like this because they punish good plays. Megatron's TD last year (maybe year before) was taken away on this very rule and it's just pathetic. He caught the ball, landed with 2 feet, fell on his but and only after turning over to get back up did the ball come out.

It's a dumb rule and I'm growing to hate all the little intricate prerequisites that have to be met before a good play stands. I think I hate instant replay even more.

That said, the rule looks to have been enforced appropriately on this play. Sand to say but they called it as it is written. The defender made contact after his first foot hit the ground which means that he didn't have time to establish possession prior to contact. Also, the contact took him to the ground which requires that he complete the "entire process". I'm not sure what the "entire process" is for the NFL but it appears to mean that you have to have control until you are no longer moving around on the ground and the whistle has been blown.

I was shocked that they didn't even review it but I guess if you're looking at it from that perspective reviewing the play was unnecessary. The ball came out. Once the ball has come out all they have to do is determine if he established possession prior to the contact that was made by the defender. There wasn't enough time for that to happen so I guess they feel there's no need to review it.

Don't like the rule one bit but those officials are probably getting pats on the back for that call, which is just disgusting to think about.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

That one the qb was losing control of the ball when he threw it so they checked to see if it was a fumble. It was stupid and why they need to tweak that rule to whether the ball goes forward or backward.

In case he fumbled a spiral 15 yards downfield?

 

[Hoofbite]

It could not be ruled a fumble because the ground cannot cause a fumble unless he wasn't touched down. He was touched down by a defender. I don't think it was a catch by the NFL rules. Just like Victor Cruz's TD in the first game of the season should not have been ruled a catch.

See now, that's different according to the examples in the case book. Here's the closest example to tonight's play, minus the goal line part.

A.R. 8.10 GOING TO THE GROUND—INCOMPLETE PASS
First-and-10-on B25. A1 throws a pass to A2 who controls the ball and gets one foot down before he is contacted by B1. The contact by B1 sends him across the goal line and to the ground in the end zone. The ball comes out as he hits the ground.

Ruling: Second-and-10 on B25. The pass is incomplete, as the receiver went to the ground in the process of making the catch and did not maintain possession of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground.

This is why they rule Dez's catch incomplete. He got one foot down and was contact by a defender who took him to the ground and the ball ultimately came out before he completed the entire process.

Here's an example that almost exactly describes Victor Cruz's catch and reach across the goal line.

A.R. 8.12 GOING TO THE GROUND—COMPLETE PASS
First-and-10-on B25. A1 throws a pass to A2 who controls the ball and gets one foot down before he is contacted by B1. He goes to the ground as a result of the contact, gets his second foot down, and with the ball in his right arm, he braces himself at the three-yard line with his left hand and simultaneously lunges forward toward the goal line. When he lands in the end zone, the ball comes out.

Ruling: Touchdown Team A. Kickoff A35. The pass is complete. When the receiver hits the ground in the end zone, it is the result of lunging forward after bracing himself at the three-yard line and is not part of the process of the catch. Since the ball crossed the goal line, it is a touchdown. If the ball is short of the goal line, it is a catch, and A2 is down by contact.

As insane as it sounds......both calls were right.

 

[visionary]

that was a catch, no doubt

 

[jubal]

that was a catch, no doubt

Well the clerk at the liquor store told me that the man in the booth told him that the game was almost over so he left early to beat the traffic, so that makes me think he did not want to ride with those poor excuses for ref.s and be associated with them. That is why no one reviewed the plays at the end.

 

[Ender]

No Im in Nashville...no reason I should have been subjected to that

Same here, I'm in Memphis, and it made no sense....

 

[Nation]

Dumb rule, but must maintain control after hitting the ground to complete the catch and he didn't

 

[yimyammer]

Under the new rules, that was an incomplete pass. Under the new rules, Butch Johnson's Super Bowl TD catch would have been an incomplete pass.

I always thought that catch was very questionable

 

[Doomsay]

Clearly a catch.

What irritated me almost as much was Buck and Aikman saying it came out before he hit the ground with a clear relay right in front of them.
They are so afraid of especially Giant fans calling them homers.
It's nauseating

Buck is a histrionic ***** that tries to get on the right side of evey play call, but his inclination is to be anti-Dallas, I think at Troy's direction.

 

[Ganja]

Fox and NFL also need to explain why the hell I missed most of the 1st quarter of the nationally broadcasted Americas game of the week for the vikes and packers OT crap. A game that nobody outiside those two states gave a damn about!!

Same here. I'm in SoCal and the Fox early game being shown was Carolina and Miami. After their game was over Fox switched to some bonus coverage of the Vikes and Pack. The Cowboys game had already started yet we were forced to watch the entirety of the OT?!! Crazy.

 

[TwentyOne]

We still got the win!

We got the win but it was no catch. Remember they changed the rules: He has to have control throu the whole process. He was falling down while he made the catch so he has to have control over the ball while and AFTER he hit the ground. He hadn't so it's an incomplete pass.

 

[Red Dragon]

This is a clear example of why challenges need to be permitted inside the last 2 minutes of a half. Period.

 

[CowboyMort]

there were 4 plays that were completely blown by the refs, and all four went against the Cowboys.
1. the play they called a penalty on Carr for illegal contact, Carr didn't even touch him. We recovered a fumble on that play.
2. the challenge that Coughlin called when he had nothing to challenge. Should have been a 15 yard penalty.
3. the non call for pass interference on Dez, that was clearly PI.
4. the reception by Dez at the end of the game.

I also think that on the Giants last drive they should have called a grounding call against Eli. He clearly was feeling the heat, was locked in on his covered WR and threw the ball away. He never moved outside the tackles or moved out of his drop back at all.

 

[loblolly7]

I have NFL Audio Pass, and re-listed to the final drive by Dallas, and the even the NYG broadcast crew thought that Bryant had made the catch.

 

[speedkilz88]

Dumb rule, but must maintain control after hitting the ground to complete the catch and he didn't

We got the win but it was no catch. Remember they changed the rules: He has to have control throu the whole process. He was falling down while he made the catch so he has to have control over the ball while and AFTER he hit the ground. He hadn't so it's an incomplete pass.

No, the new rule is only for when the receiver catches the ball and goes down making the catch. In this case he took steps showing possession.

 

[ConstantReboot]

We still got the win!

The question I asked is why doesn't Garrett just throw the flag? That was another BS call and Garrett just stand there like a beaten wife.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Thats was some serious home cooking right there.........................the refs did everything they could to give New York the game.

 

[cowboyvic]

Under the new rules, that was an incomplete pass. Under the new rules, Butch Johnson's Super Bowl TD catch would have been an incomplete pass.

Fortunately, it didn't cost us the game.

Stop, just stop. Dez caught that ball took 2 steps running with it. he got hit and hit the ground which cased the ball to come out. and his knee was down with the ball in his hand. that was a cheating/terrible call that could have caused the Cowboys the game. i want to know from the NFL, why the replay offical did not review that play. something is very wrong here.. and these bias calls against the Cowboys almost every week have to go.

 

[Nightman]

The rule is dumb and is nothing more than another rule they have instituted to take good plays away. Like instant reply anymore. It was instituted to correct bad calls. Because almost everything is automatically reviewed anymore instant replay more often than not isn't being used to correct bad calls but rather refute good plays. The net effect is that every single turnover or score is reviewed and often times they come off the board based on some minute detail that nobody even saw while the play happened. Coaches, players, announcers and fans are all scrutinizing every single frame of instant replay trying to find some shred of a reason as to why a play shouldn't stand. Imagine how many games would have been altered if those were automatic reviews since instant replay was first put in, and not just additions over the past 2 to 3 seasons. I think they need to do away with automatic reviews and force coaches to choose when they want to review a play. I can support giving coaches the chance to correct a mistake but this whole system is just geared towards taking away good plays based on the flimsiest of evidence.

I can't stand rules like this because they punish good plays. Megatron's TD last year (maybe year before) was taken away on this very rule and it's just pathetic. He caught the ball, landed with 2 feet, fell on his but and only after turning over to get back up did the ball come out.

It's a dumb rule and I'm growing to hate all the little intricate prerequisites that have to be met before a good play stands. I think I hate instant replay even more.

That said, the rule looks to have been enforced appropriately on this play. Sand to say but they called it as it is written. The defender made contact after his first foot hit the ground which means that he didn't have time to establish possession prior to contact. Also, the contact took him to the ground which requires that he complete the "entire process". I'm not sure what the "entire process" is for the NFL but it appears to mean that you have to have control until you are no longer moving around on the ground and the whistle has been blown.

I was shocked that they didn't even review it but I guess if you're looking at it from that perspective reviewing the play was unnecessary. The ball came out. Once the ball has come out all they have to do is determine if he established possession prior to the contact that was made by the defender. There wasn't enough time for that to happen so I guess they feel there's no need to review it.

Don't like the rule one bit but those officials are probably getting pats on the back for that call, which is just disgusting to think about.

Does the rule make a distinction between "going to the ground in the process of making the catch" and "making the catch upright and being tackled to the ground"? Because Dez appeared to make the catch and take 2-3 steps before being contacted to the ground, ie, without contact from the defender Dez would not have gone to the ground at all.

 

[T-RO]

I have NFL Audio Pass, and re-listed to the final drive by Dallas, and the even the NYG broadcast crew thought that Bryant had made the catch.

This. Hoofbite take your crap to NY or Philly. They'll eat it up, I'm sure.