The 2 seed with no help from this draft class

[McKDaddy]

You aren't keeping Martin off that field though. Torrence wouldn't have done it....no one would. And based on what I saw this past Sunday? There could be something there with Brock Hoffman and TJ Bass.

But my stance is anything would've been better than Schoon or a tight end so I would've taken anyone except a tight end there.

And are we ruling out that they didn't like Torrence? They could've drafted him in the 1st or the 2nd passed?

Competent coaching tells the players what is happening. ZM has always seemed reasonable. I don't think he would object to sitting to get healthy so he could try to perform at a level he is comfortable with when he returned. As I said, I like Hoffman & Bass too .... but they had nothing to do with what I would have done in the second round.

No, they did not seem to like Torrence. Supposedly his movement skills don't fit their formula. Guess what, Zack's movement skills aren't that great at this stage of his career either. That is an example of evaluator error. Don't pass up on a player who can do the job just because they may not be have every attribute you dream of. In a league where there isn't enough OL talent, why in goodness sake would you just give another team an instant starter? Much less for a position that unless you are getting one of the "elite" players you haven't really changed your team.

Speaking of their formulas, how many other players have they passed over because they didn't quite have the size, length, twitch, etc., that have gone on to be the exact studs their film said they would be while we chose a disappointment?

 

[VaqueroTD]

Competent coaching tells the players what is happening. ZM has always seemed reasonable. I don't think he would object to sitting to get healthy so he could try to perform at a level he is comfortable with when he returned. As I said, I like Hoffman & Bass too .... but they had nothing to do with what I would have done in the second round.

No, they did not seem to like Torrence. Supposedly his movement skills don't fit their formula. Guess what, Zack's movement skills aren't that great at this stage of his career either. That is an example of evaluator error. Don't pass up on a player who can do the job just because they may not be have every attribute you dream of. In a league where there isn't enough OL talent, why in goodness sake would you just give another team an instant starter? Much less for a position that unless you are getting one of the "elite" players you haven't really changed your team.

Speaking of their formulas, how many other players have they passed over because they didn't quite have the size, length, twitch, etc., that have gone on to be the exact studs their film said they would be while we chose a disappointment?

I wonder if Zack's agent did him no favors with that new contract. They weren't banking on Zack being hurt all year. Hopefully he can be healthy next year because he would be target #1 on a cap reduction if not.

 

[JayFord]

...this thread is a hoot

 

[VaqueroTD]

...this thread is a hoot

Yeah it is.

 

[Redsfan_83]

All I remember last off season is that we had major concerns about our TE position. Everybody was up in arms with losing Schultz, and although we had hoped Fergie would step in, there were no guarantees. Hend might have been a reach at 2, but with Jerry we have to accept this is going to happen every year. This year, nobody has complained about our TE position, and it was/is impossible to fill voids each and every year.

 

[Risen Star]

The guy they wanted was Dalton Kincaid.

We would have had an awesome 1-2 punch at TE.

 

[Carter]

Mazi and Schoon are disappointments for sure.

Overshown would have been a borderline Starter this year

Richards looks like a nice backup Swing Tackle

Brooks showed flashes. Vaughn might need to be used differently.

We found TJ Bass and Brandon Aubrey in this Draft too which makes it much better than the actual Draft.

Also dont forget trades.

We basically have Brandin Cooks and Stephon Gilmore in this years draft in Round 5 and 6.

 

[ShiningStar]

omg guys, i valued our draft 10 minutes after the draft. They totally suck.

The end.

 

[VaqueroTD]

All I remember last off season is that we had major concerns about our TE position. Everybody was up in arms with losing Schultz, and although we had hoped Fergie would step in, there were no guarantees. Hend might have been a reach at 2, but with Jerry we have to accept this is going to happen every year. This year, nobody has complained about our TE position, and it was/is impossible to fill voids each and every year.

I think the complaint is where he was picked. All-Pro TEs drop to lower rounds. Jason Witten was a 3rd round pick. Young buck Fergy was 4th. I was never concerned about TE, and felt like most Cowboys fans saw his potential after being a playmaker his rookie year.

The complaint with Schoon is for a complementary big body at TE, and not much of a playmaker, did we really had to give up a second rounder for that? It won't bite us this year. It will bite us next year and the year after when we start losing vets like Tyron, Zack Martin, Big Hank, Tank, Gillmore, Cooks.... or solid depth players that we can't afford to re-sign such as Armstrong and Fowler. That pick would have helped. Ironic how all the Mazi/Schoon advocates are all about big picture long-term development, but can't see this other side of the coin.

 

[John813]

It wasn't a draft that had any early dividends paid out.
The first round pick, McClay mentioned could help out this year. Not so much, but the guy was another raw DT with athletics to hopefully mold.
Didn't care for the TE pick but we'll see there. Not so much that it was a TE, but the prospect.
Overshown was cut short due to injury.
The DE seemed to be a pure stash pick with the depth for 2023-24. See if he can provide anything next year as I'd imagine they won't bring back every UFA DE.
etc...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Competent coaching tells the players what is happening. ZM has always seemed reasonable. I don't think he would object to sitting to get healthy so he could try to perform at a level he is comfortable with when he returned. As I said, I like Hoffman & Bass too .... but they had nothing to do with what I would have done in the second round.

No, they did not seem to like Torrence. Supposedly his movement skills don't fit their formula. Guess what, Zack's movement skills aren't that great at this stage of his career either. That is an example of evaluator error. Don't pass up on a player who can do the job just because they may not be have every attribute you dream of. In a league where there isn't enough OL talent, why in goodness sake would you just give another team an instant starter? Much less for a position that unless you are getting one of the "elite" players you haven't really changed your team.

Speaking of their formulas, how many other players have they passed over because they didn't quite have the size, length, twitch, etc., that have gone on to be the exact studs their film said they would be while we chose a disappointment?

I don't think it has nothing to do with competent coaching. There are just some guys you can't tell to sit out. Jason Witten would've never sat out. Not to "get rest". Not even sure if anyone does that when you have must win games to get in the playoffs.

I wouldn't call that an evaluation error. I don't want a guard who has movement skills of a 34 year old Zack Martin.

This team is built well. They have a process. I feel like when they go away from that process is when things go bad. Getting Torrence just to get him isn't the smart move especially since next year will have even better guard prospects.

As far as your last sentence....this would be an issue if the Cowboys sucked at drafting but they don't. We always hear about the guys they passed up on but we never hear bout the guys they hit by passing up on certain fan favorites. Torrence has not had a good year but no one would say it.

 

[Beaker42]

He looked really good at tackle in preseason. Not sure why they kept playing Edoga during the season.

Because they’re dumb.

 

[Beaker42]

I don't disagree from my vantage point. But this team was insistent on getting a tight end. Seemed like a luxury pick to me.

If I had to assume I think his team had planned on being far more run heavy then they have been. They were going to run a lot of two 2 sets...then things spiraled out of control when the run game couldn't run.

We’ve NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER run 2 TE sets. That was the excuse for taking Escobar.

 

[AsthmaField]

The guy they wanted was Dalton Kincaid.

Nope, they wanted a strong blocker. The guy they wanted was LaPorta, and they even told us before the draft.

Kincaid is a very good receiver but is total crap when blocking. That wasn’t what the team wanted. McCarthy needed an in-line blocker with athleticism… that is LaPorta (and Schoon).

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We’ve NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER run 2 TE sets. That was the excuse for taking Escobar.

I mean that was a whole different team and coaching staff lol. But aye I'm not excusing it I'm just saying maybe that's what the plan was. I honestly don't know. The tight end thing makes no sense to me. Never has. Didn't make sense when they drafted Fasano, didn't make sense when they traded Fasano and took Marty B, didn't make sense with Escobar and still doesn't.

 

[Beaker42]

Mazi and Schoon are disappointments for sure.

Overshown would have been a borderline Starter this year

Richards looks like a nice backup Swing Tackle

Brooks showed flashes. Vaughn might need to be used differently.

We found TJ Bass and Brandon Aubrey in this Draft too which makes it much better than the actual Draft.

Also dont forget trades.

We basically have Brandin Cooks and Stephon Gilmore in this years draft in Round 5 and 6.

“Richards looks like a nice backup Swing Tackle.”

Huh?? He looks like bonafide starter material.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Nope, they wanted a strong blocker. The guy they wanted was LaPorta, and they even told us before the draft.

Kincaid is a very good receiver but is total crap when blocking. That wasn’t what the team wanted. McCarthy needed an in-line blocker with athleticism… that is LaPorta (and Schoon).

Yeah it was always La Porta.

 

[AsthmaField]

You aren't keeping Martin off that field though. Torrence wouldn't have done it....no one would. And based on what I saw this past Sunday? There could be something there with Brock Hoffman and TJ Bass.

But my stance is anything would've been better than Schoon or a tight end so I would've taken anyone except a tight end there.

And are we ruling out that they didn't like Torrence? They could've drafted him in the 1st or the 2nd passed?

The team wants better feet than Torrence has. Even if the team takes an OL in round 2, it never would have been Torrence. It was Bergeron (Syracuse) who they liked.

 

[Beaker42]

I mean that was a whole different team and coaching staff lol. But aye I'm not excusing it I'm just saying maybe that's what the plan was. I honestly don't know. The tight end thing makes no sense to me. Never has. Didn't make sense when they drafted Fasano, didn't make sense when they traded Fasano and took Marty B, didn't make sense with Escobar and still doesn't.

Jerry has a fetish for TE’s.

 

[rambo2]

Even if that was the case, Rowdy, it would be completely irrelevant to the topic.

What a garbage draft class.

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