The 2016 Salary Cap and the Argument for keeping Carr

[Doomsday101]

I'm only getting rid of Carr if a suitable candidate is signed in free agency. He is a sub-par play with a heavy price tab but they have to keep him until they no longer need him.

DT and CB would be my priorities on defense (if I was Jerry) going into free agency. I would look to draft a d-line player, LB, or safety high in the draft.

Right now a PS player can perform to the level of Carr and do it at a much lower cost. I would not waste another minuet with him, he brings nothing to the table except a high price tag

 

[Stash]

True but not knowing where you should be is not playing it at all. Zone is not that hard figure out. You don't have to be a big hitter to play zone but you do need to know where you are and the zone you are responsible for. I don't buy into a player only being able to play 1 type of coverage, I think if players put in the time and effort we see from players like Lee who live in the film room that they would be able to do it. I put this on the coaches as well and they should demand more from these over priced egos

In my own experience, it's an either/or proposition with cornerbacks and their strengths are in either man or zone coverages. To me, rare is the player who can excel in both.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Right now a PS player can perform to the level of Carr and do it at a much lower cost. I would not waste another minuet with him, he brings nothing to the table except a high price tag

So you say. I think the Cowboys feel differently.

 

[Doomsday101]

In my own experience, it's an either/or proposition with cornerbacks and their strengths are in either man or zone coverages. To me, rare is the player who can excel in both.

We see it differently. I'm not saying a player may not be better in one coverage over another but completely blowing the coverage is unacceptable, not knowing where you should be and your responsibility is unacceptable. With top QB and offense if you can only do one thing they will beat you. QB like Brady facing nothing but zone or man will eat a secondary alive. On top of it all we are not playing man great either. 2 int in the last 2 years but the secondary?

 

[Doomsday101]

So you say. I think the Cowboys feel differently.

I'm sure there are many topic here the Cowboys may feel differently than fans, including yourself. Carr has done nothing, he is paid big money and has not had an int in the last 2 season? he blows coverage? Sorry I think a PS guy could do the same thing at a cheaper price. Having said that you bet you look to address it but it should not be based on we must keep Carr until then. Maybe the best thing that can happen to this team is start showing players are expendable when they are not performing

 

[jazzcat22]

The thing is, there are way too many position that the team is in, for this same situation.
Overpaid under performing player. Thought they fixed this last year, but now it is the same, in a way.

Cut Carr, save cap $$$ but need to sign his replacement or use a high draft pick. But that high draft pick can be used better at another position. Mo may not be here for depth.
Are you really relying on Mitchell and Olataye to be the CB's behind Scandrick?
I know most want Wilcox and Church gone, as we have Jones to put at FS. But what if he needs to be at CB. Those 2 can provide depth. Or if Jones is at FS, one of them can be a stop gap as a true SS for another year. Do you want Heath or McCray in there? Or else FA or draft.

Sign Hardy, there is cap money that could been used on a CB. Don't dign Hardy, then we are stuck with signing Mincey, and maybe need to draft a DE, when they need a CB too.
Need a true DT and depth. Free is still too good of a OT for his price. Do you take the chance on letting him go. Still need a backup OT, and a OG if Leary and Bernadeau leave.

Can't fix it all and many things to consider. many of us thinks we have all the answers, and I would bet all of us would screw it up far more than the current FO. Because most of our choices are based more on personal feelings over business decisions.

Then there are RB & backup QB and future franchise QB to look at. Do you try to fix those positions or look for 2 to 10 years down the road. Do you think you want a SB now, then 10 years of 8-8, or make the playoffs, miss the SB for a year or 2, but then get 4 SB's in the following 10 years. 1 with Romo [he retires], 3 with the new QB.

 

[Stash]

We see it differently. I'm not saying a player may not be better in one coverage over another but completely blowing the coverage is unacceptable, not knowing where you should be and your responsibility is unacceptable. With top QB and offense if you can only do one thing they will beat you. QB like Brady facing nothing but zone or man will eat a secondary alive. On top of it all we are not playing man great either. 2 int in the last 2 years but the secondary?

We agree overall. Something needs to change because what we're doing and who we're employing in the secondary isn't getting it done.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Personally its hard for me to believe someone can be a good enough athlete to play man but cant play zone.

 

[DeaconMoss]

The thing is, there are way too many position that the team is in, for this same situation.
Overpaid under performing player. Thought they fixed this last year, but now it is the same, in a way.

Cut Carr, save cap $$$ but need to sign his replacement or use a high draft pick. But that high draft pick can be used better at another position. Mo may not be here for depth.
Are you really relying on Mitchell and Olataye to be the CB's behind Scandrick?
I know most want Wilcox and Church gone, as we have Jones to put at FS. But what if he needs to be at CB. Those 2 can provide depth. Or if Jones is at FS, one of them can be a stop gap as a true SS for another year. Do you want Heath or McCray in there? Or else FA or draft.

Sign Hardy, there is cap money that could been used on a CB. Don't dign Hardy, then we are stuck with signing Mincey, and maybe need to draft a DE, when they need a CB too.
Need a true DT and depth. Free is still too good of a OT for his price. Do you take the chance on letting him go. Still need a backup OT, and a OG if Leary and Bernadeau leave.

Can't fix it all and many things to consider. many of us thinks we have all the answers, and I would bet all of us would screw it up far more than the current FO. Because most of our choices are based more on personal feelings over business decisions.

Then there are RB & backup QB and future franchise QB to look at. Do you try to fix those positions or look for 2 to 10 years down the road. Do you think you want a SB now, then 10 years of 8-8, or make the playoffs, miss the SB for a year or 2, but then get 4 SB's in the following 10 years. 1 with Romo [he retires], 3 with the new QB.

It can be fixed if the team can draft a player past round 1 that can make a difference. I would think we should be able to draft a starter at CB, DT, safety prospect, part time RB and backup QB in one draft with 9 picks.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Carr was the 73rd rated CB per PFF.

The question is can you find a better CB, for what you have left after you figure in dead-cap costs?

 

[Teague31]

By all means let's keep the corner without a pick the past two years.

 

[jazzcat22]

It can be fixed if the team can draft a player past round 1 that can make a difference. I would think we should be able to draft a starter at CB, DT, safety prospect, part time RB and backup QB in one draft with 9 picks.

Well, at least they can't trade the 3 or 4 comp picks we get...but watch out, for in the 2017 draft they can...Jerry will wringing his hands just waiting....LOL....

 

[DogFace]

6 million seems like a decent amount to save. Plus he's average at best.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Cut Carr, save cap $$$ but need to sign his replacement or use a high draft pick. But that high draft pick can be used better at another position. Mo may not be here for depth.
Are you really relying on Mitchell and Olataye to be the CB's behind Scandrick?
I know most want Wilcox and Church gone, as we have Jones to put at FS. But what if he needs to be at CB. Those 2 can provide depth. Or if Jones is at FS, one of them can be a stop gap as a true SS for another year. Do you want Heath or McCray in there? Or else FA or draft.

This.

Sign his replacement (Mitchell and Olatoye are backups at this point) before you cut him. Dallas could use a safety or d-lineman before they waste another pick on a CB. Yes, he is disappointing but to cut him so you're forced to replace him.

 

[Kaiser]

I'm only getting rid of Carr if a suitable candidate is signed in free agency. He is a sub-par play with a heavy price tab but they have to keep him until they no longer need him.

He is a #2 CB on the decline that is subpar when forced into covering top WRs as a #1 CB. If the contract numbers work out to retain him, he will be the #3 CB next year and I think he will do quite well in that role.

If Beasley was forced to be the #1 WR he would be subpar. In the proper role, he is very good situational player. I look at Carr the same way.

 

[Doomsday101]

He is a #2 CB on the decline that is subpar when forced into covering top WRs as a #1 CB. If the contract numbers work out to retain him, he will be the #3 CB next year and I think he will do quite well in that role.

If Beasley was forced to be the #1 WR he would be subpar. In the proper role, he is very good situational player. I look at Carr the same way.

At a price tag of $13,817,000. No thanks Dallas can cut him and save money and in terms of replacing him I don't think that would be that hard to do.

 

[bigdnlaca]

Wilcox needs to go...

Carr probably should go but if there was one guy that needs to go it is him. He gets beat by a WR without a spin or a juke.

 

[jterrell]

Sorry but the Carr math is just poorly done.

Carr is almost certainly getting cut.

He has a base of 9.1 million. The team has tried in the past to renegotiate with ZERO help form Carr.
If he stays he has a cap hit of over 13m. You can release him for ~7.5m.
That is PRE June 1st/ You save ~5.5m.
Post June 1st you save over 8mil.

We could sign the best available CB and not pay 5.5m this year in cap cost and almost certianly wouldn't pay 8m.

 

[Kaiser]

He has a base of 9.1 million. The team has tried in the past to renegotiate with ZERO help form Carr.

Last year the team would only have saved 600K by cutting him so Carr's agent refused to take a pay cut because the team had no leverage to do so.

This year the team would save 6.4 Million by cutting him so they have all the leverage. Carr could take a dramatic restructure downward like Doug Free did in 2013 and remain on the team (which I think happens) but otherwise he will certainly be cut.

 

[jazzcat22]

Last year the team would only have saved 600K by cutting him so Carr's agent refused to take a pay cut because the team had no leverage to do so.

This year the team would save 6.4 Million by cutting him so they have all the leverage. Carr could take a dramatic restructure downward like Doug Free did in 2013 and remain on the team (which I think happens) but otherwise he will certainly be cut.

Very good points on the leverage. I did not realize that. But I don't follow the cap all that closely.
Wonder why this was not brought up before.
Or if it was, I missed it.
But I did say last year, it would do nothing to cut Carr, might as well keep him for one more year, then go from there. So guess I was right from the cap part of it and didn't know it,...lol...