The 2016 Salary Cap and the Argument for keeping Carr

[JPostSam]

No one wanted to cut Carr more this past off season than me. I was very surprised when he was retained early, when there were some free agent alternatives out there, but cutting him now probably makes less sense.

You now only really save by making him a post June cut, which doesn't really help you this year anyways. Otherwise you only really save 6 million when you cut him, and you still need to find his replacement in the draft and/or free agency. I feel like with Scandrick coming back from his injury, you can't expect the best out of him (although it did happen pretty early in the offseason). I think you definitely move on from Claiborne. I actually bet both of these players will have the Newman/Jones effect where they go on to have much better careers else where.

Given the general desire to play Jones at free safety, I don't really see the point in bringing in a high priced free agent free safety and having either him or Jones play out of position.

What is probably best for this secondary is to draft a couple corners in the first five rounds and pair them with Scandrick and Carr, with Jones playing at safety. I would look to get a replacement strong safety next year.

I honestly think it is time to cut bait with Jason Witten. His expense outweighs his production, especially when you factor in his false starts. He keeps us firmly in an age where tight ends aren't dynamic players that need to be accounted for. 19th in touchdowns this year, but let's give him a pass for this year, but he only had 5 last year. No way you cut Tony Romo's best friend though...You could definitely get a dynamic player for what he costs you the next two years.

Brings me to Doug Free and the fact that he probably doesn't get cut either. You only save 2.5 million for cutting him unless he was a June 1st cut, which again doesn't help you and we don't have his replacement set up yet. I'd like for him to become a backup this year, and for him to be cut next year, where we can save 5 million in cutting him right off the bat.

so, you want to keep carr, and cut witten.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

 

[Nightman]

Good post....Would love to cut Carr but at what cost....not much cap savings when you have pay to replace him....a FA will demand at least 3-5mil per year and who is available? If the Cowboys use the draft... you have a young rookie learning the game and wont make an impact in 2016..IMO its best to re-do Carr's contract and draft his replacement. 2 things we all have to remember, if Dallas cuts Free, Carr and any player they have to be replaced. Salaries don't get cheaper and future performance is unknown......at least the you no the devil you have on the current roster.....

In hindsight, Carr's contract was a bad contract from the start....Cowboys over paid for a AVG Corner. Carr performance hasn't changed much..he stays healthy and still at best an average CB. Like his reliability, but cap hit is a huge problem....

I don't care if they break even if they get better production but if they can save 3m against the cap AND get better then it is a no-brainer.

Carr has had 4 years and he has done NOTHING.

 

[Frosty]

I don't care if they break even if they get better production but if they can save 3m against the cap AND get better then it is a no-brainer.

Carr has had 4 years and he has done NOTHING.

I agree with you......but Carr situation is more about a Front Office making a bad contract....Carr is a servicable CB, and should be paid as a servicable CB... sure as heck don't want the GM going out spending 50Mil on another AVG CB that gets hurt alot.... They will have to pay 6-8mil a year for a starting JAG corner...in FA. Best to upgrade the position with the draft and let the rookie learn a year then cut Carr.....The defense needs all the help they can get......unless you want a Sterling Moore type CB playing 60 snaps a game.

 

[Nightman]

I agree with you......but Carr situation is more about a Front Office making a bad contract....Carr is a servicable CB, and should be paid as a servicable CB... sure as heck don't want the GM going out spending 50Mil on another AVG CB that gets hurt alot.... They will have to pay 6-8mil a year for a starting JAG corner...in FA. Best to upgrade the position with the draft and let the rookie learn a year then cut Carr.....The defense needs all the help they can get......unless you want a Sterling Moore type CB playing 60 snaps a game.

I think 6-8m is high for a zone CB. They could do OK in the 4-5m range.

I would sign one and draft one by the third or fourth.

They still have OScan, BJones, Mitchell and Olatoye.

 

[Alexander]

I would sign one and draft one by the third or fourth.

Whatever it takes to avoid picking Ramsey or Hargreaves at 4.

 

[dallasdave]

Get rid of Carr and make a splash !!!!

 

[big dog cowboy]

But you can bet Dallas designates Carr a post June 1 anyway. Frees up 8m and can go look at dozens of guys.

We all hope so. Makes a statement to the locker room also. Really needs to be done.

 

[yesfan]

Good God, Carr needs to go.

 

[Galian Beast]

Only thing is that the FA market is stacked in secondary. This is the 4th offseason since the new CBA and the contract structures impact is about come full to bare. All top 100 picks now get 4 years deals is the cause. There are a ton of FA from the 2012 drafts top 100.

Carr has no leverage.

Name them.

 

[Galian Beast]

so, you want to keep carr, and cut witten.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

I'd rather Witten take a pay cut. He makes almost as much as Rob Gronkowski and that is ridiculous. I'd love to see Romo take a pay cut as well. He doesn't have a lot of years left, and this is it for him. He would more than make the money back on his market value if he wins a super bowl. Tom Brady makes half of what Romo is making right now and as a result they've been able to put together a better team. We're paying Beasley almost as much as the Pats are paying Edelmen...

 

[BAZ]

I'd rather Witten take a pay cut. He makes almost as much as Rob Gronkowski and that is ridiculous. I'd love to see Romo take a pay cut as well. He doesn't have a lot of years left, and this is it for him. He would more than make the money back on his market value if he wins a super bowl. Tom Brady makes half of what Romo is making right now and as a result they've been able to put together a better team. We're paying Beasley almost as much as the Pats are paying Edelmen...

So you just want the Cowboys to be the Patriots.... a few of your kind around here.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Name them.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/

sort by S to see them too.

 

[Galian Beast]

Since when is "only" saving $6M not significant?

There are only 7 players with 2016 cap numbers over $6M on the books right now

I'd rather do it all at once. Keep all of Brandon Carr's dead money on the 2016 salary cap and thus completely wipe his contract off the books. No dead money on the 2017 cap.



Agreed.

Jason Witten rode on the same bus with Tony Romo when they arrived for rookie mini-camp. They will most likely leave the game together as well.



Absolutely.

Dallas is paying top dollar for bottom shelf production.

I'd want to jettison Carr if he was making the minimum. He hardly ever breaks up passes, never gets interceptions, isn't physical enough and misses too many tackles.

Time to go.

It's "only" 6 million because anyone you sign to replace him is going to eat into that, and I'm not sure you're going to find a significant upgrade for him with that money. What the Cowboys needed to do was get his replacement last year, as I advocated for and he would have been easily released from there. The situation we are in now, we have no choice but to see things through.

 

[Galian Beast]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/

sort by S to see them too.

I see the list, who are you going to bring in?

 

[Galian Beast]

So you just want the Cowboys to be the Patriots.... a few of your kind around here.

I want them to win...

 

[BAZ]

I want them to win...

We all do, but just expecting players to take discounts is unreasonable. And cutting a team leader like Witten is not progress. Reducing his role with a viable back up is, but they would need a guy to fill that role. How many were in the last draft?

 

[Galian Beast]

We all do, but just expecting players to take discounts is unreasonable. And cutting a team leader like Witten is not progress. Reducing his role with a viable back up is, but they would need a guy to fill that role. How many were in the last draft?

Reducing his role but keep paying him top tight end money? Does that really make sense to you? What kind of team leader is Witten? How many horrible teams has he been on? How has his leadership tangibly changed things?

We just drafted a tight end in the 2nd round and didn't use him for the third time...

 

[BAZ]

Reducing his role but keep paying him top tight end money? Does that really make sense to you? What kind of team leader is Witten? How many horrible teams has he been on? How has his leadership tangibly changed things?

We just drafted a tight end in the 2nd round and didn't use him for the third time...

He's produced year with every Qb even the dumpster fire this year except Bledsoe. Played through injury that would have crippled most men and clearly leads by example, is generally the first in front of the media good or bad. Apart from him there has been few and far between doing the same thing.

Take him away and you are left with who?

All those TEs got chances. None excelled and hardly went on to great things.

Your reasoning doesn't even make sense "draft a dynamic tight end", like that word has some magical meaning that will elevat this team. Anyone you get would have to be around the top five to be as good. Players like that don't grow on trees and Dallas has clearly shown throwing resources at that particular position doesn't mean you will uncover one easy. His money might be a little high but it's not stupid high like Brandon Carr and you say they can't possibly dump him and his less than average production.

 

[Alexander]

I see the list, who are you going to bring in?

Casey Hayward
Trumaine Johnson
Janoris Jenkins
Coty Sensabaugh

All more preferable than bringing Carr back again. He is far too comfortable being mediocre and getting paid for it.

 

[jterrell]

Casey Hayward
Trumaine Johnson
Janoris Jenkins
Coty Sensabaugh

All more preferable than bringing Carr back again. He is far too comfortable being mediocre and getting paid for it.

I'd take all 4 over Carr and there are a half dozen more including a resigned Mo.

Carr is a big, hard playing CB but he has been vastly overpaid in Dallas since day 1.
People are irate we paid Hardy 8m for 6 sacks but we have paid Carr 8m a year and a big bonus to cover #2 WRs.