The 94 Cowboys would have been the best if not for Jerry Jones

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That does not dispute my scenario. They "started winning" around 1992 which just so happens to be when they traded for Everett. You have Jones taking credit for his very real involvement in said trade publicly. Comparatively, Jimmy started publicly bashing him and there is no analog until 1994.

And "belief" just doesn't meet the burden of proof. I am not saying Jerry is perfect but there is one person acting unprofessionally for two years and the other with no public statements to match. Jerry has talked about how he just took it because of the team and then that insulting exchange at the NFL meetings was the last straw.
Here then. This is an excerpt from cowboyswire (if you want to believe Jones was a team player until he just got tired of Jimmy's bull, I can't stop you):

Between Jones and Johnson, little things had become big things over five seasons together. Hairline fractures in the foundation had grown. The damages were now irreparable, the differences irreconcilable. And as in most divorces, the writing had been on the wall for some time.

Each side had a laundry list of complaints.

Jerry tried to be too hands-on. He wasn’t truly as involved in the day-to-day football operations as he wanted the world to believe. His fourth-quarter sideline visits had become a distraction. His habit of inviting VIP guests to mingle with players in the locker room and at training camp were counterproductive to getting the team focused on playing football. Jerry insisted on taking far more credit for the team’s turnaround than he deserved. He has too big an ego. After all, Jimmy reasoned, I’m the coach.

Jimmy leaked information to the media. He undermined ownership by unilaterally making personnel and roster decisions. He made a cheap-shot joke on a late-night TV talk show about Jerry pocketing money given to the team by the league for a post-Super Bowl party. He publicly acknowledged being “intrigued” by a possible coach-and-general-manager dual role with the expansion franchise in Jacksonville. Jimmy insisted on not sharing as much credit for the team’s turnaround as was deserved. He has too big an ego. After all, Jerry reasoned, I’m the owner and GM.

But there were other stories, too, transgressions that actually dated back to the early days of the Jones/Johnson regime.

In his book Boys Will Be Boys: The Glory Days and Party Nights of the Dallas Cowboys Dynasty, author Jeff Pearlman writes that Jones had talked about ousting Johnson in just his third season with the club:

“I knew as early as 1991 that I might want to make a change with Jimmy,” Jones said. “My attitude at the time- and I told this to Jimmy- was, ‘You’re doing a good job, but don’t let the door hit you in the *** on the way out.’ There were a couple of times during the 1992 season that he practically invited me to make the change. There were two times when I had to sit him down and tell him that this is how it’s going to be or else.” Well before Jones-versus-Johnson had begun to trickle into the mainstream media, Jones would confer with his family over how little respect he was afforded from his coach. “I’m going to fire his ***,” he’d say. “I can go out and find myself another coach.”

Pearlman also recounts the story of Fletcher Rudisill. Rudisill was a 27-year-old defensive tackle who had been a starter at Hudson Valley Community College. Jones met Rudisill at a bar and personally invited him to participate in 1993’s training camp, sight unseen. Jones was convinced Rudisill was a diamond in the rough. Under Johnson’s watchful eye at camp, though, he “couldn’t jog twenty feet without stopping to vomit” and was cut after two weeks. “This is the guy Jerry sent me,” Johnson explained to reporters with a contempt that was obvious.

It wasn’t the first time the two had clashed over a player. Johnson shrewdly kept a recovered Troy Aikman on the bench for the start of the 1991 postseason, starting Steve Beuerlein after the backup had won five straight games following an Aikman injury. But it was Jones who was trumpeting to the Dallas press in no uncertain terms that Aikman was, in fact, the future of the franchise. The quarterback controversy surrounded the Cowboys leading up to their wild card win over Chicago and again in advance of their divisional loss to Detroit, when Aikman finally replaced Beuerlein as the team trailed by double digits.

And then there was the 1992 NFL Draft.

The day before first-round picks were to be made, the Cowboys had reached out to the Cleveland Browns regarding a trade. Browns coach Bill Belichick agreed to the deal, but called Dallas to accept the terms after Jones had already gone home. So Johnson went public and announced the trade. The next day, Jones was upset that he hadn’t been consulted and had a closed-door meeting with Johnson.

Sports Illustrated‘s Peter King picks up the story from there:

“Their meeting droned on until, with only five minutes left before the start of the draft, Jones told Johnson, ‘You know the ESPN camera is in the draft room today. So whenever we’re about to make a pick, you look at me, like we’re talking about it.’ In other words, Make me look as if I’m a big player here, even though we all know I’m not making the picks.”

Johnson stormed out of the room and shared several graphic descriptions of Jones with defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt and director of player personnel Bob Ackles. The coach threatened to let Jones conduct the draft, even hinting that he might quit the team altogether. The staffers had to convince Johnson just to return to the team’s war room.

Then came the Jacksonville flirtation.
 

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Here then. This is an excerpt from cowboyswire (if you want to believe Jones was a team player until he just got tired of Jimmy's bull, I can't stop you):

Between Jones and Johnson, little things had become big things over five seasons together. Hairline fractures in the foundation had grown. The damages were now irreparable, the differences irreconcilable. And as in most divorces, the writing had been on the wall for some time.

Each side had a laundry list of complaints.

Jerry tried to be too hands-on. He wasn’t truly as involved in the day-to-day football operations as he wanted the world to believe. His fourth-quarter sideline visits had become a distraction. His habit of inviting VIP guests to mingle with players in the locker room and at training camp were counterproductive to getting the team focused on playing football. Jerry insisted on taking far more credit for the team’s turnaround than he deserved. He has too big an ego. After all, Jimmy reasoned, I’m the coach.

Jimmy leaked information to the media. He undermined ownership by unilaterally making personnel and roster decisions. He made a cheap-shot joke on a late-night TV talk show about Jerry pocketing money given to the team by the league for a post-Super Bowl party. He publicly acknowledged being “intrigued” by a possible coach-and-general-manager dual role with the expansion franchise in Jacksonville. Jimmy insisted on not sharing as much credit for the team’s turnaround as was deserved. He has too big an ego. After all, Jerry reasoned, I’m the owner and GM.

But there were other stories, too, transgressions that actually dated back to the early days of the Jones/Johnson regime.

In his book Boys Will Be Boys: The Glory Days and Party Nights of the Dallas Cowboys Dynasty, author Jeff Pearlman writes that Jones had talked about ousting Johnson in just his third season with the club:

“I knew as early as 1991 that I might want to make a change with Jimmy,” Jones said. “My attitude at the time- and I told this to Jimmy- was, ‘You’re doing a good job, but don’t let the door hit you in the *** on the way out.’ There were a couple of times during the 1992 season that he practically invited me to make the change. There were two times when I had to sit him down and tell him that this is how it’s going to be or else.” Well before Jones-versus-Johnson had begun to trickle into the mainstream media, Jones would confer with his family over how little respect he was afforded from his coach. “I’m going to fire his ***,” he’d say. “I can go out and find myself another coach.”

Pearlman also recounts the story of Fletcher Rudisill. Rudisill was a 27-year-old defensive tackle who had been a starter at Hudson Valley Community College. Jones met Rudisill at a bar and personally invited him to participate in 1993’s training camp, sight unseen. Jones was convinced Rudisill was a diamond in the rough. Under Johnson’s watchful eye at camp, though, he “couldn’t jog twenty feet without stopping to vomit” and was cut after two weeks. “This is the guy Jerry sent me,” Johnson explained to reporters with a contempt that was obvious.

It wasn’t the first time the two had clashed over a player. Johnson shrewdly kept a recovered Troy Aikman on the bench for the start of the 1991 postseason, starting Steve Beuerlein after the backup had won five straight games following an Aikman injury. But it was Jones who was trumpeting to the Dallas press in no uncertain terms that Aikman was, in fact, the future of the franchise. The quarterback controversy surrounded the Cowboys leading up to their wild card win over Chicago and again in advance of their divisional loss to Detroit, when Aikman finally replaced Beuerlein as the team trailed by double digits.

And then there was the 1992 NFL Draft.

The day before first-round picks were to be made, the Cowboys had reached out to the Cleveland Browns regarding a trade. Browns coach Bill Belichick agreed to the deal, but called Dallas to accept the terms after Jones had already gone home. So Johnson went public and announced the trade. The next day, Jones was upset that he hadn’t been consulted and had a closed-door meeting with Johnson.

Sports Illustrated‘s Peter King picks up the story from there:

“Their meeting droned on until, with only five minutes left before the start of the draft, Jones told Johnson, ‘You know the ESPN camera is in the draft room today. So whenever we’re about to make a pick, you look at me, like we’re talking about it.’ In other words, Make me look as if I’m a big player here, even though we all know I’m not making the picks.”

Johnson stormed out of the room and shared several graphic descriptions of Jones with defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt and director of player personnel Bob Ackles. The coach threatened to let Jones conduct the draft, even hinting that he might quit the team altogether. The staffers had to convince Johnson just to return to the team’s war room.

Then came the Jacksonville flirtation.

3 years in would be 1992 and given that he was talking trashing Jones publicly then, that type of closed door meetings does not surprise me. At the end of the day he did swallow his pride and Jimmy stayed. Jerry wasn't making public comments. Jimmy was doing nothing but. It was not working though so Johnson stepped up his antics.

The 'new' issues was him going to the field and wanting to be consulted on trades. Given that he was in charge of the money as stated by your own evidence I don't see the problem with that.

At the end of the say going onto the field and taking actually claiming credit on things he actually did do I don't see the justification for Jimmy's deliberate, coordinated, and long running smear campaign.
 

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Yeah. It was a penalty. I'm just not sure how much it would have affected Young had he not held. I can't tell by watching the replay.

That '92 team came out tentative. They got a few good breaks early on. The turning point in that game was when Waters fumbled. That's when the Cowboys started to play like they believed they could win.

I think that Cowboys team peaked in '93.
The only way I felt we were going to win the 92 title game was to jump out early. You can’t afford to fall behind early on the road in a title game against a great team. Rice’s TD being negated, took some of the wind out of their sails. It was a huge break for us.
 

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3 years in would be 1992 and given that he was talking trashing Jones publicly then, that type of closed door meetings does not surprise me. At the end of the day he did swallow his pride and Jimmy stayed. Jerry wasn't making public comments. Jimmy was doing nothing but. It was not working though so Johnson stepped up his antics.

The 'new' issues was him going to the field and wanting to be consulted on trades. Given that he was in charge of the money as stated by your own evidence I don't see the problem with that.

At the end of the say going onto the field and taking actually claiming credit on things he actually did do I don't see the justification for Jimmy's deliberate, coordinated, and long running smear campaign.
There's no justification for either person's behavior. Jerry's deal with Jimmy was to let Jimmy run the football operations, but Jerry's ego wanted the credit. He wanted to be in the room, on the sideline, lauded as a football genius. He became the insufferable boss that Jimmy wanted to force to fire him. Jimmy couldn't have made the deals that he did without an owner like Jones, but he bristled at Jones wanting acknowledgment as a football guy and undermined him at every turn. He couldn't stomach giving partial credit to the man paying his salary.

Neither guy should be cast in a favorable light for their role in their breakup. Aikman, who was there, who saw it each day, had it right: They both let their egos get in the way of a great thing. The owner and coach couldn't put aside their differences to keep a winner going.
 

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There's no justification for either person's behavior. Jerry's deal with Jimmy was to let Jimmy run the football operations, but Jerry's ego wanted the credit. He wanted to be in the room, on the sideline, lauded as a football genius. He became the insufferable boss that Jimmy wanted to force to fire him. Jimmy couldn't have made the deals that he did without an owner like Jones, but he bristled at Jones wanting acknowledgment as a football guy and undermined him at every turn. He couldn't stomach giving partial credit to the man paying his salary.

Neither guy should be cast in a favorable light for their role in their breakup. Aikman, who was there, who saw it each day, had it right: They both let their egos get in the way of a great thing. The owner and coach couldn't put aside their differences to keep a winner going.
"The credit" is an interesting choice of words almost as if credit is some zero sum game like Johnson certainly viewed it. He bristled at Jones taking credit for anything including things that Jones actually did do.

And again I am not saying Jones acted perfectly. He was certainly deluded. That being said, what Jimmy did was one of the most unprofessional displays I have ever seen in the NFL.
 

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"The credit" is an interesting choice of words almost as if credit is some zero sum game like Johnson certainly viewed it. He bristled at Jones taking credit for anything including things that Jones actually did do.

And again I am not saying Jones acted perfectly. He was certainly deluded. That being said, what Jimmy did was one of the most unprofessional displays I have ever seen in the NFL.
I'm just saying I've seen in this thread defenses for either man's behavior when there is no defense. There seems to be a tendency with sports fans to want to be able to lay the blame at one man's feet. We often see that in regard to the quarterback. We certainly see that in regard to Jones. As the saying goes, it takes two to tango. Both Jerry and Jimmy acted like spoiled little children. I'm not defending Jimmy's behavior nor Jerry's.
 

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It's Jerry's stubbornness that's prevented the Cowboys from winning a SB the last 27 years. And he owns all of that.
 

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No that’s lazy. Jimmy gave and demoted his life to that team. He molded it, he influenced it, he created it. He made them winners. He was the psychologist who made it all happen. For the owner to disrespect him the way he did, getting drunk and saying he could get anyone to coach that team was the ultimate disrespect. It’s not like Jimmy got drunk and came out and **** talked Jerry. It was 100% Jerry’s fault.
It was mostly Jerry's fault I admit, though Jimmy is not blameless. If I remember correctly, Jimmy was also talking about possibly looking at other options and coaching another team or doing something else as well.
 

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We lost in 94 because the refs didn’t call a blatant hold and arm bar on Irvin by Deion Sanders, that would have led to the greatest comeback in NFL history. The start was slow and sloppy because the conditions were muddy.
 

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People still actually defend this clown? lol It's been one ridiculous decision after another for nearly 30 years. There's nothing he's done in that whole dam time to prove he had anything to do with those championships besides hiring the coach and then pretending like he was part of the action once the ball got rolling.
 

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You’d think so . Assuming we didn’t have any key injuries. Hard to go 4 or 5 years without your QB or RB going down.
Normally, but we are talking about Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith. From 1992 to 1996 they both missed a total of 5 games each. Emmitt was in his contract holdout for two of those games. The other three games were at the end of eh season when the Cowboys had clinched everything that was possible for them to clinch.

Troy missed two games in 1993, two games in 1994 and one game was at the end of the season with everything clinched.

Both of those guys were very durable in their prime.
 

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People still actually defend this clown? lol It's been one ridiculous decision after another for nearly 30 years. There's nothing he's done in that whole dam time to prove he had anything to do with those championships besides hiring the coach and then pretending like he was part of the action once the ball got rolling.
That clown made the Cowboys the most valuable sports franchise in the world and he is in the Hall of Fame.
 

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That clown made the Cowboys the most valuable sports franchise in the world and he is in the Hall of Fame.

All on the basis of making the league money, but his football acumen has been terrible. Funny when we talk about Jerry and success it immediately turns to his wealth and how much the team is worth, but nothing at all to do with the actual team on the field.
 

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All on the basis of making the league money, but his football acumen has been terrible. Funny when we talk about Jerry and success it immediately turns to his wealth and how much the team is worth, but nothing at all to do with the actual team on the field.
He has more championships than 22 teams.
 

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I think that team was better than the 95 team that did win the SB. With Jimmy there I think we had a good shot to three-peat.
Likely a 4peat, and maybe more.

Bozo the Coach took a 15 yard personal foul while we were *successfully* driving, putting another first down out of reach.

In the NFC Championship Game.
 

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Jimmy coaching that team I'm not so sure we lose 2 games and am pretty sure we land home field and the championship game woulda been different. In 94 we still had Harper and drafted Larry Allen and all the other core and role players. What a great team but sadly they just couldn't get over the HC and the Niners were stacked but again I think we win with Jimmy.
What possible value is there is rehashing 29 year old issues? It is well known that Jimmy Johnson has said he was leaving that year anyway, even if Jerry Jones hadn’t gotten drunk and angry at the owners’ meetings, leading him to make his statement about 500 coaches. Even then, it was Jimmy who pushed the issue, after he had instigated the conflict himself - something he has admitted to doing. Jimmy wanted out after 5 years. He had never stayed longer than 5 years at any time in his coaching career.

Blame Jerry all you want for not being able to figure it out after the team Jimmy created wore down and got old. Blame Jerry all you want for the salary CAP woes of the late 90’s and early aughts. Blame Jerry for meddling with Parcells. Blame Jerry for years and years of Jason Garrett. Blame him all you want for 29 years of fan frustrations with failing to get back to the Super Bowl after the 95 season.

But Jimmy Johnson orchestrated his departure in early 1994. Jerry fell into the trap Jimmy set for him. It was Jimmy Johnson who bears the blame for the failure in 1994, not Jerry. Jerry was at least smart enough to hire a coach who would allow the team to continue under the momentum Jimmy created. It wasn’t Jerry who threw 3 early interceptions to fall behind by 17 points in the first 5 minutes of the game against San Francisco. That was Aikman.

If you want to hate Jerry, that’s your business. But you don’t have a right to ignore the actual facts of what happened.
 

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Likely a 4peat, and maybe more.

Bozo the Coach took a 15 yard personal foul while we were *successfully* driving, putting another first down out of reach.

In the NFC Championship Game.
Very true but the non pi call was beyond egregious. Not saying he was right but I understand him losing his *****.
 
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