The 94 Cowboys would have been the best if not for Jerry Jones

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I do agree that Jerry has adjusted at times, and Parcells was a good example of that. I don't know if Jimmy would have turned into such a bad employee, though, without Jerry being Jerry. Both men wanted to bathe in the glory of their success, but they wanted to bathe alone. That's part of the reason that Jerry made his 500 coaches comment and part of the reason Jimmy did everything he could to get Jerry to get rid of him. Both thought that if they succeeded without the other then all the credit would be theirs. Instead, both showed they couldn't recapture the magic that built those teams ... teams we would not have had without either of them.

I think sometimes we get so caught up in what if that we forget about what was. Jerry and Jimmy were a combination that helped us win back-to-back Super Bowls. That's not easy to accomplish. They assembled the team, no matter who deserves the most credit for it, and it was a magic moment. It may have ended sooner than it should have or maybe the luster would have worn off on its own. I tend to try to dwell on what my team did accomplish instead of what my team might have accomplished. The early 1990s were a good time. I sure wished we'd see something like that again, even if it ends as ugly as it did then.

I don't see it that way. He did finally bash Jimmy in 1994 but the Everett trade was in 1992. Jerry has shown repeatedly that he is willing to share the spotlight with Jimmy. He did eat Jimmy's **** for near two years. Jimmy thought he had and could do it alone.

Miami demonstrates clearly he could not.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't see it that way. He did finally bash Jimmy in 1994 but the Everett trade was in 1992. Jerry has shown repeatedly that he is willing to share the spotlight with Jimmy. He did eat Jimmy's **** for near two years. Jimmy thought he had and could do it alone.

Miami demonstrates clearly he could not.

I have trouble believing that Jerry was not culpable over those two years. He came in as a brash owner who wanted to play GM and be praised for it. He wanted to be on the sideline with the players and bask in the glow of the spotlight. I don't think we can blame Jimmy for being a bad employee without equally blaming Jerry for being a bad employer.

Here's what Jimmy said:

“You see, when Jerry was buying the Cowboys, I can remember like it was yesterday. We were in his automobile and he said, ‘Jimmy, you're in charge of the football, I'm in charge of the money and we'll make sports history.' Well, we made sports history. And everything worked fine for a long time and then all of a sudden we started winning and then when we started winning, things changed a little bit. There started to be a little bit of a tension.
“People say, ‘he meddled too much.' No he didn't meddle. It's just that when we started winning, he wanted to be more in the spotlight.”

He said he "wasn't having fun anymore." It just got bitter between them, and both were at fault for that because they couldn't subvert their egos. I hold both accountable. I don't really care who "deserves" the most blame. They were both idiots about it and ruined a good thing.

 

[stuckindc]

I have trouble believing that Jerry was not culpable over those two years. He came in as a brash owner who wanted to play GM and be praised for it. He wanted to be on the sideline with the players and bask in the glow of the spotlight. I don't think we can blame Jimmy for being a bad employee without equally blaming Jerry for being a bad employer.

Here's what Jimmy said:


He said he "wasn't having fun anymore." It just got bitter between them, and both were at fault for that because they couldn't subvert their egos. I hold both accountable. I don't really care who "deserves" the most blame. They were both idiots about it and ruined a good thing.

Wandstad talked about how when Jerry brought in Prince Bandhar before Jimmy finished addressing the team. Which Jimmy had a rule of nobody in the locker room before he did that. Dave said that started some of the issues , then the press conference directly following Jimmys press conference about acquiring a player. Wandstad indicated that was the beginning of the cracks

 

[rambo2]

Jimmy coaching that team I'm not so sure we lose 2 games and am pretty sure we land home field and the championship game woulda been different. In 94 we still had Harper and drafted Larry Allen and all the other core and role players. What a great team but sadly they just couldn't get over the HC and the Niners were stacked but again I think we win with Jimmy.

The Cowboys might not be in Dallas if not for Jerry Jones. They could have been bought by someone else and moved out of town just like numerous other franchises.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have trouble believing that Jerry was not culpable over those two years. He came in as a brash owner who wanted to play GM and be praised for it. He wanted to be on the sideline with the players and bask in the glow of the spotlight. I don't think we can blame Jimmy for being a bad employee without equally blaming Jerry for being a bad employer.

Here's what Jimmy said:


He said he "wasn't having fun anymore." It just got bitter between them, and both were at fault for that because they couldn't subvert their egos. I hold both accountable. I don't really care who "deserves" the most blame. They were both idiots about it and ruined a good thing.

That does not dispute my scenario. They "started winning" around 1992 which just so happens to be when they traded for Everett. You have Jones taking credit for his very real involvement in said trade publicly. Comparatively, Jimmy started publicly bashing him and there is no analog until 1994.

And "belief" just doesn't meet the burden of proof. I am not saying Jerry is perfect but there is one person acting unprofessionally for two years and the other with no public statements to match. Jerry has talked about how he just took it because of the team and then that insulting exchange at the NFL meetings was the last straw.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

The Cowboys might not be in Dallas if not for Jerry Jones. They could have been bought by someone else and moved out of town just like numerous other franchises.

Yea that wasn't going to happen. The way people talk about the 80's ...we were bad from mid 1986-1988. People think we were bad for 20 years. We did not turn into the Baltimore Colts who was my dad's favorite team. The Cowboys already had a brand. Nobody in their right mind was going to destroy it by moving the team.

 

[rambo2]

Yea that wasn't going to happen. The way people talk about the 80's ...we were bad from mid 1986-1988. People think we were bad for 20 years. We did not turn into the Baltimore Colts who was my dad's favorite team. The Cowboys already had a brand. Nobody in their right mind was going to destroy it by moving the team.

The Baltimore Colts were a popular team. The Rams and Raiders moved several times. The Cleveland Browns moved.

 

[Cowboys5217]

I don't see it that way. He did finally bash Jimmy in 1994 but the Everett trade was in 1992. Jerry has shown repeatedly that he is willing to share the spotlight with Jimmy. He did eat Jimmy's **** for near two years. Jimmy thought he had and could do it alone.

Miami demonstrates clearly he could not.

*sigh*, not this crap again.

1) Jimmy won the national championship in his first stint in Miami which is ALWAYS conveniently ignored by those with some irrational need to downplay Jimmy Johnson of all people.

2) Trying to claim Jimmy Johnson was a failure for his tenure post Cowboys is no different than trying to claim Vince Lombardi sucks because of his post Packers tenure.

Ridiculous to the point of absurdity.

 

[Diehardblues]

That team had the potential to win five consecutive Super Bowls with a Head Coach that pushed them. They were that good.

I will say this with complete conviction. If Jimmy had stayed he would have accomplished this without Deion Sanders.

You’d think so . Assuming we didn’t have any key injuries. Hard to go 4 or 5 years without your QB or RB going down.

 

[Diehardblues]

The Baltimore Colts were a popular team. The Rams and Raiders moved several times. The Cleveland Browns moved.

Don’t forget Houston and Cardinals moved. The Chiefs moved too from Dallas.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

*sigh*, not this crap again.

1) Jimmy won the national championship in his first stint in Miami which is ALWAYS conveniently ignored by those with some irrational need to downplay Jimmy Johnson of all people.

2) Trying to claim Jimmy Johnson was a failure for his tenure post Cowboys is no different than trying to claim Vince Lombardi sucks because of his post Packers tenure.

Ridiculous to the point of absurdity.

And he made the playoffs 3 out of his 4 years there. What has Miami done since? And Jerry has been going at it his way going on 28 years. Jimmy was coming to the NFL with or without Jerry. He was the next big thing. I don't know if anybody knew who Jerry Jones was until he bought the Cowboys. I know I didn't.

 

[rambo2]

Don’t forget Houston and Cardinals moved. The Chiefs moved too from Dallas.

I would have never thought that the Oilers would move.

 

[Diehardblues]

And he made the playoffs 3 out of his 4 years there. What has Miami done since? And Jerry has been going at it his way going on 28 years. Jimmy was coming to the NFL with or without Jerry. He was the next big thing. I don't know if anybody knew who Jerry Jones was until he bought the Cowboys. I know I didn't.

Just that he tried to buy the Chargers . But Jethro didn’t have enough money to go it alone . And his daddy wouldn’t back him.

Jethro owes his success to Jimmy. If Jethro had the kind of success he’s had this era back then he would have been ran out of town.

 

[Diehardblues]

I would have never thought that the Oilers would move.

It was nice for a few years . We only had 1 team in Texas.

But I’d take La Ya Blue Oiler fans over these Texan fans. They hate us like our rival fans . Most of Texas doesn’t even care about them . Only televised in immediate Houston area. Lol

Oilers were actually fun to watch for a few years . They won an AFL championship and the Earl/Bum years were good. We rooted for them to knock off Steelers.

 

[conner01]

Two. Jimmy shouldn't go unblamed. His ego was just as big as Jerry's. Now, Jerry's ego has kept hurting us ever since.

They both have huge egos for sure
Sadly they can’t seem to put it behind them

 

[shabazz]

Yea that wasn't going to happen. The way people talk about the 80's ...we were bad from mid 1986-1988. People think we were bad for 20 years. We did not turn into the Baltimore Colts who was my dad's favorite team. The Cowboys already had a brand. Nobody in their right mind was going to destroy it by moving the team.

Yup....no way in hell that America's team was gonna leave Dallas.

They ARE the exception to most rules......kind of like the Lakers leaving LA. Lol

 

[Diehardblues]

Yup....no way in hell that America's team was gonna leave Dallas.

They ARE the exception to most rules......kind of like the Lakers leaving LA. Lol

IDK. I think if Arlington or someone in DFW area doesn’t come up with funding to support Jethro’s stadium he considers moving somewhere , like LA or whoever funds his stadium. Like any other owner .

Maybe even somewhere in Texas or immediate area . In late 90’s Houston didn’t have a team . San Antonio might have built a new stadium. Just never know.

Most likely though he’d exhaust every effort in North Texas somewhere first though.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

*sigh*, not this crap again.

1) Jimmy won the national championship in his first stint in Miami which is ALWAYS conveniently ignored by those with some irrational need to downplay Jimmy Johnson of all people.

2) Trying to claim Jimmy Johnson was a failure for his tenure post Cowboys is no different than trying to claim Vince Lombardi sucks because of his post Packers tenure.

Ridiculous to the point of absurdity.

Dolphins try again.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And he made the playoffs 3 out of his 4 years there. What has Miami done since? And Jerry has been going at it his way going on 28 years. Jimmy was coming to the NFL with or without Jerry. He was the next big thing. I don't know if anybody knew who Jerry Jones was until he bought the Cowboys. I know I didn't.

I hope you are not one of the "he couldn't get out of the division round" people because Johnson while in Miami never won the AFC East made the division round twice and was not even competitive.

Getting shut out 27-0 by the Raiders and absolutely smoked 62-7 by Jacksonville.

Of course then he quit.

Juxtaposed to that were his idiotic draft selling the farm every year for a RB and having each of them bust.

 

[Flamma]

Say what you will but having that early San Francisco TD negated by a penalty was a huge break for the Cowboys. Getting down by seven early on the road in a championship game would’ve been difficult to overcome.

Yeah. It was a penalty. I'm just not sure how much it would have affected Young had he not held. I can't tell by watching the replay.

That '92 team came out tentative. They got a few good breaks early on. The turning point in that game was when Waters fumbled. That's when the Cowboys started to play like they believed they could win.

I think that Cowboys team peaked in '93.