The absurd underrating of Tony Romo just hit a new low

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Silverstar;2851468 said:
Romo is my QB, but he's got some work to do.

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Ok, I can accept that you say he has work to do. He is a great QB who still needs to rid that monkey off his back and I think he will this year.

I just do not put all the blame on him, but like you imply, that doesn't matter until he gets it done.

Silverstar;2851513 said:
All I'm doing is pointing out, that Vick has accomplished more than Romo. Apparently, that's a tough fact for some to accept around here.

Does that make Vick better than Romo?

No it doesn't, but it does place Vick ahead in terms of accomplishments on the field.

I can't deny Vick that....and I won't.

yes accomplished, but alot goes into that and it is not always the QB's doing. Fair enough, but I would never take him as a QB for the Cowboys though.
 

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FCBarca;2851452 said:
Until Romo get the team to move forward, it's a bit pointless to lose one's head over how 'overrated' or 'underrated' he is being portrayed...He's given fans a glimpse of what he 'could' be, not what he is or should be.

Until then, criticism is fair game, IMHO...Start winning or start packing

Your comment is both intelligent and fair.
 

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Vick's TEAM accomplished more than Romo's TEAM, so far.

That's equally tough for some to accept.
 

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Idgit;2851442 said:
Hey, if you think the Technical Difficulties thing is stupid, take that one up with bbgun. I just have it in my sig so that it's convenient for him when he wants to use it next.

Let's see: I used it twice, whereas you've used it hundreds of times by now--which kinda undercuts your original complaint. Then again, logic was never your strong suit. You may now return to ********* Tony.
 

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DallasEast;2850518 said:
1) Regardless, you unnecessarily berate Pro Bowl berths.

2) In my opinion, most posts on this forum pertaining to Pro Bowl voting factors in the popularity angle, but doesn't do so to the point where validity is totally dismissed.

3) Arguments on CowboysZone do not exclusively promote Pro Bowls as 'purely objective standards of performance', but as valid subcomponents of a player's career.

As far as your controversial comments regarding Pro Bowl berths, see #1.

See the bold. Actually one person on CowboysZone did make an argument with regards to a player's being ranked in the top 5 in the NFL at their position while using ONLY Pro Bowl berths as evidence. In my remarks about the Pro Bowl I was responding to this specific argument. I see that we actually agree that someone cannot argue that way.

Pro Bowls can be useful tools in assessing player performance. Take for example Shields of KC. He's been to so many Pro Bowls, he must be doing something right. You are correct, the validity of Pro Bowl berths for assessing performance cannot just be dismissed.

However, a Pro Bowl berth does not automatically qualify someone to be in the top 5 at one's position in the NFL. Other factors must be considered in order to say someone is at the top five at their position in the NFL, right?

Someone on Cowboyszone in fact argued that Pro Bowl berths alone are enough to label someone a top five player in the NFL, as described above. All of my comments about the Pro Bowl were in the context of arguing against this person.

I think that you and I are in substantial agreement, actually.
 

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So Romo is comparable to a guy with a lifetime 75.7 QB rating (3 better than Quincy), and averages 22 turnovers a season?

It's a pain living here in Hampton roads and all of Vick's "hometown boyz" thinking hes a living legend.
 

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JLAZeroSeven;2851606 said:
So Romo is comparable to a guy with a lifetime 75.7 QB rating (3 better than Quincy), and averages 22 turnovers a season?

It's a pain living here in Hampton roads and all of Vick's "hometown boyz" thinking hes a living legend.

:lmao2:
 

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I guess the turnover department is at least somewhat comparable.
 

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bbgun;2851577 said:
Let's see: I used it twice, whereas you've used it hundreds of times by now--which kinda undercuts your original complaint. Then again, logic was never your strong suit. You may now return to ********* Tony.

You know where to find it when someone has some technical difficulties and you want to let them know some more.

I'll be thinking of you the next time I'm ********** Tony, bbgun. Thanks. Assuming by '**********' you mean 'honestly evaluating.' Might I also suggest you spend some time ********** yourself?
 

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Idgit;2851734 said:
You know where to find it when someone has some technical difficulties and you want to let them know some more.

I'll be thinking of you the next time I'm ********** Tony, bbgun. Thanks. Assuming by '**********' you mean 'honestly evaluating.' Might I also suggest you spend some time ********** yourself?

what's ********** :confused:
 

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Sammy Baugh;2851583 said:
See the bold. Actually one person on CowboysZone did make an argument with regards to a player's being ranked in the top 5 in the NFL at their position while using ONLY Pro Bowl berths as evidence. In my remarks about the Pro Bowl I was responding to this specific argument. I see that we actually agree that someone cannot argue that way.

Pro Bowls can be useful tools in assessing player performance. Take for example Shields of KC. He's been to so many Pro Bowls, he must be doing something right. You are correct, the validity of Pro Bowl berths for assessing performance cannot just be dismissed.

However, a Pro Bowl berth does not automatically qualify someone to be in the top 5 at one's position in the NFL. Other factors must be considered in order to say someone is at the top five at their position in the NFL, right?

Someone on Cowboyszone in fact argued that Pro Bowl berths alone are enough to label someone a top five player in the NFL, as described above. All of my comments about the Pro Bowl were in the context of arguing against this person.

I think that you and I are in substantial agreement, actually.
Basically, we are--with the exception of what is bold in red. In my opinion, the particulars, which serve as the underlying basis for players being voted to the Pro Bowl during any given year, are debatable and should be substantiated with additional criteria (e.g. peer commentary, stats, etc.).

However, stating that the validity of a player's Pro Bowl selection hinges on how often he's invited is, at best, a superficial determination. If a player is worthy of "A" Pro Bowl invite, it is highly likely that he is creditable enough to receive more. It is when a player DOESN'T receive invitation year-after-year that other standards factor in, such as:
  • How did other players at his position perform that given season? A player's level of play may have been worthy of Pro Bowl recognition, but there may have been other players who played even better that year.
  • How did a prior Pro Bowl player's team perform that season? One of the hardest things for a very good player to overcome some years is a disappointing performance by their own team.
  • Was the player's season impacted by negative circumstances which may not necessary relate directly to his on-the-field performance? For example, injuries can lower the boom on even the most perennial of Pro Bowl invitees (see Tom Brady).
  • Just how p-o-p-u-l-a-r was he among his peers both around the league and NFL fans? Other players' popularity the following season may have exceeded that which a player enjoyed the previous season.
Etc. So, while I know that I'm correct (thank you) that any player's Pro Bowl selection faces a certain level of scrutiny, I strongly disagree that his number of invites to the post-Super Bowl dance should strongly authenicate his overall resume over those with fewer invitations. That's a Pro Bowl double standard which is no more convincing than the one which you were arguing with the poster you referred about earlier.
 

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DallasEast;2851806 said:
Basically, we are--with the exception of what is bold in red. In my opinion, the particulars, which serve as the underlying basis for players being voted to the Pro Bowl during any given year, are debatable and should be substantiated with additional criteria (e.g. peer commentary, stats, etc.).

However, stating that the validity of a player's Pro Bowl selection hinges on how often he's invited is, at best, a superficial determination. If a player is worthy of "A" Pro Bowl invite, it is highly likely that he is creditable enough to receive more. It is when a player DOESN'T receive invitation year-after-year that other standards factor in, such as:
  • How did other players at his position perform that given season? A player's level of play may have been worthy of Pro Bowl recognition, but there may have been other players who played even better that year.
  • How did a prior Pro Bowl player's team perform that season? One of the hardest things for a very good player to overcome some years is a disappointing performance by their own team.
  • Was the player's season impacted by negative circumstances which may not necessary relate directly to his on-the-field performance? For example, injuries can lower the boom on even the most perennial of Pro Bowl invitees (see Tom Brady).
  • Just how p-o-p-u-l-a-r was he among his peers both around the league and NFL fans? Other players' popularity the following season may have exceeded that which a player enjoyed the previous season.
Etc. So, while I know that I'm correct (thank you) that any player's Pro Bowl selection faces a certain level of scrutiny, I strongly disagree that his number of invites to the post-Super Bowl dance should strongly authenicate his overall resume over those with fewer invitations. That's a Pro Bowl double standard which is no more convincing than the one which you were arguing with the poster you referred about earlier.

We are still in basic agreement.

You are right about the number of Pro Bowl invitations while taken alone. I was not saying that the number of invites should be solely determinative and I never used a word like "hinges." I was being illustrative, not determinative or exhaustive - I was simply trying to illustrate the point that the Pro Bowl does count in player evaluations as one standard among many more. I used a player with many Pro Bowls as a stronger example of player success vis-a-vis Pro Bowl invitations, that's all.
 

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bbgun;2851780 said:
His hobby. Well, that and inane media conspiracies. What a rich life.

bbgun, no need to act like a **********. Just be yourself. Wait, that won't work....
 

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sureletsrace;2851871 said:
Lets turn this thread into a post-count pad.


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If you keep giving your dog that cheap beer then I will have to report you to PETA. Your dog should be drinking Sam Adams or Guinness.
 

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Sammy Baugh;2852055 said:
If you keep giving your dog that cheap beer then I will have to report you to PETA. Your dog should be drinking Sam Adams or Guinness.

I would never serve my pooch such dross. Only the finest.
 
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