The Ayodele "Roughing" call

[cowboy4eva]

Thats unneccesary roughness no matter how you spin it. Ayodele was in the wrong. It's football so I don't think BP was too mad at this and this was probably one of the "aggressive penalties" that BP was not as mad at.

 

[Rack]

Thats unneccesary roughness no matter how you spin it. Ayodele was in the wrong. It's football so I don't think BP was too mad at this and this was probably one of the "aggressive penalties" that BP was not as mad at.

No way in hell is that unnecessary roughness.

 

[cowboy4eva]

Is that a joke? The Skins player dived and Ayodele rammed his shoulder into the player. The player failed to be touched by the opposing team but the NFL doesn't expect players to hit defenseless players like that. Just like the Roy Williams penalty in week 1, a Cowboys player got a penalty for something they didn't need to do.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Is that a joke? The Skins player dived and Ayodele rammed his shoulder into the player. The player failed to be touched by the opposing team but the NFL doesn't expect players to hit defenseless players like that. Just like the Roy Williams penalty in week 1, a Cowboys player got a penalty for something they didn't need to do.

Ware touched him so he was down by contact.

 

[cowboy4eva]

Ware touched him so he was down by contact.

Ware touched him but did not force Lloyd to be down, when a player dives like that they are still in play.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Ware touched him but did not force Lloyd to be down, when a player dives like that they are still in play.

If a player is touched then goes to the ground forced or not they are down by contact.

 

[tunahelper]

He led with the helmet was their call. Spearing!
Still a load of B.S.

 

[ravidubey]

I agree with the Poster who suggested we make a 5 yard incidental, and a 15 yard personal foul.

I agree and liken this to the running into the kicker vs. roughing the kicker vs being blocked into him. All the same things apply to QBs too. You want to heavily penalize intentional roughness or carelessness, not an incidental tap of the helmet.

I can see the Ayodele call being made only because Ayodele landed on him at full speed instead of just touching him. That was careless.

 

[cowboy4eva]

If a player is touched then goes to the ground forced or not they are down by contact.

Not when the player breaks the tackle (if thats what you call that play by Ware) and flops when he sees a couple of Cowboys coming his way. A Cowboy needed to touch him down after that, Ayodele did, unfortunately just a bit too much.

 

[Rack]

Not when the player breaks the tackle (if thats what you call that play by Ware) and flops when he sees a couple of Cowboys coming his way. A Cowboy needed to touch him down after that, Ayodele did, unfortunately just a bit too much.

Again, how was Ayodele suppose to know Lloyd was gonna wuss out?


When you're running full speed and RIGHT BEFORE you get to the ball carrier he LAYS DOWN, how are you suppose to stop?

This is real life, not the freakin' matrix, and that call was WRONG.

 

[Stautner]

Nobody said it was easy, but that IS the ref's job. They're expected to do it well.



Playing QB in the NFL with 300+ lb defensive lineman pounding you into the ground isn't easy either, but no one had a problem criticizing Bledsoe after the Jags game.


Double standard much?

I'm guessing you aren't a baseball fan because watching umpires call balls and strikes would inevitably lead to a heart attack .......

But, to answer your question, No, it's not a double standard.

In fact, a 60% completion rate is great for Bledsoe, but the officials have to be dramatically better than that. Perhaps it's the officials that are getting a raw deal with so much expectation........ Hey - it's your analogy.


The reality is that no one expects Bledsoe to be infallable - at least no one that is reasonable - and an ocassional bad throw (or even several) doesn't mean he is doing a bad job. It's called being human.

You see the deal is that people do expect Bledsoe to do a good job - BUT they don't expect him to be perfect like you expect the officials to be.

Apparently it's you that has the double standard.

 

[TtownCowboy]

The helmet to helmet was a judgement thing. I just don't agree w/the rule. Especially if QBs can cause the penalty by stepping into the blow as did Brunel (sp). The call on Ayodele was a late hit not spearing and he dove on him because he was not down yet. I'm all for fair play but sounds like there are some trolls floating around.

 

[Rack]

It's called being human - something that you apparently don't think officials are allowed to be.

What the hell are you talking about? What's that got to do with it?


I wasn't arguing whether or not they should be perfect in their profession. I was saying that THAT CALL was wrong. Is it not ok to point out when a ref screws up, but it is ok to point out when Bledsoe screws up?


Did you even understand the analogy or was it too much for you to take in?

 

[cowboy4eva]

Again, how was Ayodele suppose to know Lloyd was gonna wuss out?

Huh? Didn't Ayodele find Lloyd lying in the fetal position because he was scared to get hit. Would Ayodele have hit Lloyd had he thought Ware tackled him? Ayodele knew Lloyd was techinically not down yet so he got the tackle. Unfortunately thats a play the NFL will call 95% of the time.
Of course 90% of the time it's a QB acting like a wuss not a WR.

Not a smart penalty IMO but it didn't cost the Boys and Ayodele sent a message to a Commander. Not something I want to see in the future but it's really not a big deal at all. I do still think he was in the wrong.

 

[Stautner]

What the hell are you talking about? What's that got to do with it?


I wasn't arguing whether or not they should be perfect in their profession. I was saying that THAT CALL was wrong. Is it not ok to point out when a ref screws up, but it is ok to point out when Bledsoe screws up?


Did you even understand the analogy or was it too much for you to take in?

I edited my post - go back and read it. AND, take it in it's entirety.

The fact is that Bledsoe is condemned for game performance - if he throws and interception or makes several bad throws that is acceptable as long as he does an overall acceptable job.

Of course, if you let your thoughts be guided by those that see something dramatic in every single poor throw and don't understand that QB's (ALL QB's) make bad throws in every game, then there is no way to expect you to be reasonable.

 

[Rack]

Again, how was Ayodele suppose to know Lloyd was gonna wuss out?/quote] Huh? Didn't Ayodele find Lloyd lying in the fetal position because he was scared to get hit. Would Ayodele have hit Lloyd had he thought Ware tackled him? Ayodele knew Lloyd was techinically not down yet so he got the tackle. Unfortunately thats a play the NFL will call 95% of the time.
Of course 90% of the time it's a QB acting like a wuss not a WR.

Are you on drugs?


Again, and try to pay attention this time, how is Ayodele suppose to stop in less then a second? Seeing Lloyd lay down like a wuss is the LAST thing Ayodele would of expected so that possibility wasn't even on his mind. He saw him break a tackle and went into tackle him. I'm sure if he KNEW Lloyd was gonna wuss out or if he had more then ONE SECOND to react he wouldn't of hit him like that. The call was bad. Period.


The hit on Greene last week was worse then Ayodele's and that one was legal too.

 

[Rack]

I edited my post - go back and read it. AND, take it in it's entirety.

The fact is that Bledsoe is condemned for game performance - if he throws and interception or makes several bad throws that is acceptable as long as he does an overall acceptable job.

Of course, if you let your thoughts be guided by those that see something dramatic in every single poor throw and don't understand that QB's (ALL QB's) make bad throws in every game, then there is no way to expect you to be reasonable.

Let me make it easy for you.


QBs screw up.

Refs screw up.

Neither are perfect (you with me so far?).

And there's nothing wrong with criticizing either one when they do screw up.

Better?

 

[Catch-22]

Someone post the gif of Lloyd ducking the ball in San Francisco

 

[cowboy4eva]

Are you on drugs?

You felt that was necessary?

The hit on Greene last week was worse then Ayodele's and that one was legal too.

I agree that was worse. The guy who hit Green hit a QB who was sliding. A QB is down at the point they begin the slide. Ayodele hit a WR who basically wussed out. I think the Bengals player was way out of line with putting the force on the hit he did. I think Ayodele was unnecessary in his hit as well.

Did the whistle blow after the Ware hit? I thought Ayodele hit Lloyd while he was still in play, but after reading a couple of articles a minute ago it described the hit as "late hit". That I disagree with if that was the call on the field.

 

[Rack]

You felt that was necessary?

I agree that was worse. The guy who hit Green hit a QB who was sliding. A QB is down at the point they begin the slide. Ayodele hit a WR who basically wussed out. I think the Bengals player was way out of line with putting the force on the hit he did. I think Ayodele was unnecessary in his hit as well.

Did the whistle blow after the Ware hit? I thought Ayodele hit Lloyd while he was still in play, but after reading a couple of articles a minute ago it described the hit as "late hit". That I disagree with if that was the call on the field.

Yes to the first part.


Second part... you have a hard time realizing how difficult it is for a player to stop when their moving full speed.

This isn't the matrix, it's real life. They can't will themselves to defy physics.