The Ayodele "Roughing" call

[Stautner]

Let me make it easy for you.


QBs screw up.

Refs screw up.

Neither are perfect (you with me so far?).

And there's nothing wrong with criticizing either one when they do screw up.

Better?

No, its not, because I haven't once argued that it was a good call, just that it was a difficult call an understandable mistake.

Which clearly offended you to think that I would believe that refs make understandable or justifyable mistakes.

You, on the other hand, have never once given the refs a fair shake, until now never once indicating that it is ok for them to be human and fallable.

 

[cowboy4eva]

Second part... you have a hard time realizing how difficult it is for a player to stop when their moving full speed.

You seem to have a hard time realizing Ayodele did not have to stop. He had to touch Lloyd to get credit for the tackle. Look at the video, Ayodele not only stopped he added some force for Lloyd to feel. Knowing the NFL it's just not something they want and allow.

 

[Rack]

No, its not, because I haven't once argued that it was a good call, just that it was a difficult call an understandable mistake.

Which clearly offended you to think that I would believe that refs make understandable mistakes.

You, on the other hand, have never once given the refs a fair shake, until now never once indicating that it is ok for them to be human and fallable.

This is a football board, Dude. If you want to be over dramatic, go find yourself a drama queen board.


And I like how you know absolutely NOTHING about me, yet you pull out this gem... "have never once given the refs a fair shake".

How do you know this information exactly?

 

[Rack]

You seem to have a hard time realizing Ayodele did not have to stop. He had to touch Lloyd to get credit for the tackle. Look at the video, Ayodele not only stopped he added some force for Lloyd to feel. Knowing the NFL it's just not something they want and allow.

My god... it's like talking to a brick wall.


Again, please try and understand this time cuz I'm done repeating myself, how was Ayodele suppose to know Lloyd was gonna just lay down? He went in for the HIT cuz he thought Lloyd was gonna continue running. You don't "touch" a player down that is still running. He had less then a second to react after seeing that Lloyd layed down. If he KNEW Lloyd was gonna wuss out or if he had more then a SECOND to react, I'm sure he would of just touched him down.

 

[Stautner]

This is a football board, Dude. If you want to be over dramatic, go find yourself a drama queen board.


And I like how you know absolutely NOTHING about me, yet you pull out this gem... "have never once given the refs a fair shake".

How do you know this information exactly?

Drama Queen? Look back and see who has been doing the ranting and raving and who has been advocating a moderate viewpoint ......

Like the "double standard issue" the mirror would be the place for you to look.

As for the "never once giving the refs a fair shake", a reasonable person could tell I was referring to this thread only - not your whole life. Ahh yes, I understand the problem, it takes a "reasonable person".

 

[cowboy4eva]

My god... it's like talking to a brick wall.


Again, please try and understand this time cuz I'm done repeating myself, how was Ayodele suppose to know Lloyd was gonna just lay down? He went in for the HIT cuz he thought Lloyd was gonna continue running. You don't "touch" a player down that is still running. He had less then a second to react after seeing that Lloyd layed down. If he KNEW Lloyd was gonna wuss out or if he had more then a SECOND to react, I'm sure he would of just touched him down.

So basically Akin hit Lloyd who was on the ground, not knowing Lloyd would not be running and Akin was looking to make a tackle not realizing Lloyd basically gave up. I'd like to think if you can find a player qucik enough to locate them and make a hit you can actually tell that they giving up.

I understand football is a fast game and you only have so much time to make decisions but didn't Ware close in on Brunell earlier in the game, Brunell threw the ball right in front of Ware's face and to avoid a penalty (which he got anyway) Ware raised his hands trying to avoid contact.

Look at the video, Akin locates Lloyd, dives, puts his head down and rams into Lloyd. Also notice the TWO players behind Akin stayed on their feet and someone noticed Akin either made the tackle (in a second) or that they did not need to leave their feet.

Would Akin have fell to the ground the way he did if Lloyd did not wuss out the way he did? Your making it seem as though Akin was already in the process of his tackle and there's no chance Akin would tackle anyone like that. If he had enough time to aim the target Lloyd I think he had enough time to ease up on the hit.

 

[Rack]

*sigh*


Some people just don't get it.


Oh well, I tried. It's not important enough for me to keep repeating myself.

 

[cowboy4eva]

Some people just don't get it.

Agreed.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I agree with the call on Ayonde. I was yelling at him through my tv. The guy was down and he was a little late, should of held back.

Now that call on Ware for helmut to helmut, that was bull. Ware was pulling up after realizing the ball was gone raising his head in the process while Brunell was lowering his. It was obvious Ware was pulling back in every way possible. BS call there.

 

[Danny White]

1) It was a bad call. Lloyd was in the process of recovering from Ware's contact and would have continued running had Akin not been in pursuit.

2) Lloyd wussed out and flopped rather than be smacked by Akin, and did so at the last second, before Akin had time to pull back.

3) Akin didn't spear him with his helmet or his shoulder.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I saw this posted over at extremeskins blasting Lloyd for "flopping" and it shows conclusively that he was still an active runner when Akin downed him. What a bogus call!

I thought he was down by contact at the time, but given the way he kept trying to run, how can you blame Ayodele for doing what he did. In a play during the Jets' game, Cotchery looked like he was down but he wasn't, got up and ran for a TD. Imagine the reaction if Ayodele didn't touch him, and Lloyd ran for a TD?

The only problem was the way Ayodele hit him I guess, right in the back (I had no problem with it, but I can see how it was called roughing).

 

[J-DOG]

I don't see how these guys can play defense anymore.

You can't hit the qb high or low anymore.(Carson Palmer rule)

You can't tackle the wr,rb or qb by the collar and drag him down anymore.(Roy Williams rule).

Now the defense is suppose to read the minds of the speedy wr's or rb's and not hit them hard whent they dive on the ground with nobody tackling them????

The NFL has become a joke with all these stupid rules.

Defense is half the game!

BTW-Akin keep playing like that...let the refs make the decision and you just continue to hustle.

 

[LandryFan]

You've got to remember that the officials don't have the benefit of watching it again. Frankly my first reaction to the play was to yell at our guy for a stupid play - I thought it was clearly a late hit. Then when I saw the replay on TV I wasn't so sure. At full speed in the middle of the moment I can easily see why the officals called it - even looking at the replay you provided it takes a close look to be absolutely certain.

Wholeheartedly concur, Stautner.

 

[yennor24]

Speaking of Akin, what exactly is he supposed to bring to the Cowboys????? Is it just me, or does he not do anything noticable for a LB????

 

[cowboy4eva]

Speaking of Akin, what exactly is he supposed to bring to the Cowboys????? Is it just me, or does he not do anything noticable for a LB????

He brings reliability and no weakness.

 

[peplaw06]

You've got to remember that the officials don't have the benefit of watching it again. Frankly my first reaction to the play was to yell at our guy for a stupid play - I thought it was clearly a late hit. Then when I saw the replay on TV I wasn't so sure. At full speed in the middle of the moment I can easily see why the officals called it - even looking at the replay you provided it takes a close look to be absolutely certain.

Well that may have been YOUR reaction, but my first reaction was that Lloyd dove to the ground to avoid the hit. I saw it in real time, on TV, and the only education I have received in the rules is from watching it on TV. I expect someone right next to the action with years of experience to see that Lloyd was still a live ballcarrier.

If you accept that he was a live ballcarrier, I say that any type of hit is legal aside from spearing, which Ayodele clearly didn't do. Unnecessary roughness is typically only called after the play, and the play was still going.

Which brings up another point... I've noticed that relatively often the refs don't blow the whistle. Or at least not that I can hear. I got used to hearing the whistle as soon as some guy went down. Now I'm noticing that they wait to blow it. Sometimes they never blow it. Then when someone who is clearly down gets up and starts running or when the play should have been blown dead, they'll start blowing it over an over. What's so stinkin hard about blowing a whistle. it should be a habit. It shouldn't be the ref closest to the ball either, it should be all of the refs who see the guy go down. It leads to confusion, and I don't understand it... {/Rant}

 

[TEK2000]

Glad to see that the GIF I made found its way over to Extremeskins.com
I'm gonna have to head over there and see what kind of reaction it got.

 

[superpunk]

Glad to see that the GIF I made found its way over to Extremeskins.com
I'm gonna have to head over there and see what kind of reaction it got.

TEK, do you have those gifs somewhere I can download them all?

 

[TEK2000]

There's another angle of it. From there... its a helmet to helmet hit.

SuperPunk... you can simply right click and save target as on the GIF to save it to your computer.
I'm gonna try to get the clips up of the game sometime this week. A Commanders fan put together a highlight vid showing Sean Taylors hits (hey, they gotta find SOMETHING positive from that game... but they left out the 2 TD passes he gave up). Anyway, I'm thinking about making a Commanders "mockery" video of the game if I get some time... with it being the BYE week I should be able to get it done.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I thought it was a call that could have been called either way, but I will gladly take the occasional 15 yard penalty over the althernative of the Cotchery TD. Also, with so much of Saunders playbook revolving around slip screens and the like, I'm sure it was drilled into the LB's all week that they were to abuse the Commanders WR's at every opportunity to make them tentative.