The bad habit of running it back with the same people and same strategy

Cmac said:
There is a draft upcoming......and this thing called Free Agency. Repeating the "do nothing" approach, after mass exits is not a recipe for a franchise that wants to be competitive or better.
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Dak is going to make, what, 79 mil toward the cap? FA? Pipe dream.
 
kskboys said:
Dak is going to make, what, 79 mil toward the cap? FA? Pipe dream.
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Until our base gets out of Dak's pockets, maybe, just maybe, the franchise hoodwink job can be unmasked.
 
Bobhaze said:
One of the many bad things about having your owner also serve as your GM is the really, really bad habit of keeping the same people around that have never done much in the playoffs when they had the chance.

Our owner falls in love with all the decisions and draft picks his GM makes, even when those people have accomplished very little when It mattered most. Then follows that up with the same people and same roster strategy that got you nowhere in the playoffs…again.

In short, why keep the same cast of key players and coaches when they collectively have done very little to make the Cowboys even close to a championship? Why is it so important to keep the same players and coaches who have accomplished almost nothing in the playoffs?

”Running it back” with the same key people and expecting different results is the habit of unaccountable leaders. They take few risks and would rather stick with what they feel safe with than be aggressive to get better. We’ve seen this with Tony Romo, Dak Prescott, Zeke Elliott, Jason Garrett, and now Mike McCarthy.

Let me make a couple of clarifications. Tony Romo and Dak Prescott have been good QBs. Not great but good enough IF and I mean a HUGE IF…you surround them with the right roster support. Our FO is apparently incapable of understanding this. Neither of those QBs have ever been capable of strapping a team on its back and winning playoff games by themselves. NEWS FLASH: Unless you are Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow, that’s mostly true about every NFL QB. And Mahomes wouldn’t have won the SB last year without that great KC defense.

So when this past off-season came along after the worst playoff loss in Cowboys history, I hoped our front office would wake up and say, “I’m tired of being good enough to make the playoffs and then accomplish nothing. We need a new approach.“

I had hoped they would fire McCarthy, let Dak’s contract expire, see if they could draft or trade for a different QB when it seemed clear the window for Dak to lead this team was closing. By the way, I’m not “anti-Dak” - I think the people saying he’s garbage are blinded by how much money he makes or are just so frustrated by the team’s failure, he becomes the focus. He’s good but just not a great QB and needs a strong running game to be most effective.

Unless I’m not seeing clearly, this front office is headed toward another “run it back“ with mostly the same key people that have given us 1 wild card playoff win in 5 years. Why should we expect any different results next year?
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Bob, you've never been seen anywhere approaching the anti-Dak side of the fence.
Agree that Jerry will 'rinse and repeat', in part due to not being confident about what we have in Dak (MOSTLY DUE TO THE NEED TO BE RELEVANT EVERY YEAR).
What we never saw/accepted was that 2023 was the closest that Jerry was going to All-In (the restructured contracts in 2024 and 2025) were always going to be problematic.
The problem is, as you say Dak (and Romo), aren't the difference making QB that can carry a team and so it'll be difficult building that roster, when he's on a 4 year deal (with no further contract to hide $40m, ala this contract).
The biggest problem that Jerry panicked and went early, hoping that Dak, CeeDee would cover up both roster deficiencies and media criticism....but Jerry being Jerry, got it wrong.
2025, will be another wait and see... going all in on Dak and his 2024 performance, injury and unknown prognosis is potentially doubling down on an already damaging position.
 
Cmac said:
There is a draft upcoming......and this thing called Free Agency. Repeating the "do nothing" approach, after mass exits is not a recipe for a franchise that wants to be competitive or better.
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There's FA for all teams, teams with a healthier CAP and/or closer to competing.
2025, is another reset, finding replacements at: DE, DT, G,Tackle,RB, CB
 
kskboys said:
Dak is going to make, what, 79 mil toward the cap? FA? Pipe dream.
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That depends on how they structure it. I don’t like that contract either for many reasons but it doesn’t have to hamstring them like they say it does. Look at Filly with Hurts‘ $50 million contract. They somehow found a way to get Saquon.
 
Bobhaze said:
That depends on how they structure it. I don’t like that contract either for many reasons but it doesn’t have to hamstring them like they say it does. Look at Filly with Hurts‘ $50 million contract. They somehow found a way to get Saquon.
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The massive difference in Hurts' contract and Dak's 2025 contract is that the Eagles either get out of it in 2027 (cut or extend) to spread out the deferment (like Daks $49m deferred CAP he's carrying into 2025). Dak's not getting another contract, his body will be lucky to get through the forthcoming contract (especially as he's going to be a sitting duck in the pocket) as well as the inability to raise his performances (without the 2023 roster).
 
CowboyoWales said:
There's FA for all teams, teams with a healthier CAP and/or closer to competing.
2025, is another reset, finding replacements at: DE, DT, G,Tackle,RB, CB
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Contrary to many.....we're not in a "Woe is me" mode regarding fielding a competitive team, if we have a decent GM.
Just acquiring Kendricks in FA doesn't cut it. Our GM has should have fired himself years ago.
 
CowboyoWales said:
Bob, you've never been seen anywhere approaching the anti-Dak side of the fence.
Agree that Jerry will 'rinse and repeat', in part due to not being confident about what we have in Dak (MOSTLY DUE TO THE NEED TO BE RELEVANT EVERY YEAR).
What we never saw/accepted was that 2023 was the closest that Jerry was going to All-In (the restructured contracts in 2024 and 2025) were always going to be problematic.
The problem is, as you say Dak (and Romo), aren't the difference making QB that can carry a team and so it'll be difficult building that roster, when he's on a 4 year deal (with no further contract to hide $40m, ala this contract).
The biggest problem that Jerry panicked and went early, hoping that Dak, CeeDee would cover up both roster deficiencies and media criticism....but Jerry being Jerry, got it wrong.
2025, will be another wait and see... going all in on Dak and his 2024 performance, injury and unknown prognosis is potentially doubling down on an already damaging position.
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Well, that one’s about perfectly said.
 
rambo2 said:
How can you not enjoy it? It's awesome. They literally beat the crap out of the Bucs. How do you think their receivers and Mayfield feel in the training room today?
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It’s meaningless football and it’s hurting our future.

I won’t care about any of this going forward.
 
CATCH17 said:
It’s meaningless football and it’s hurting our future.

I won’t care about any of this going forward.
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Twenty years from now, few if any Cowboys fans will look back and crow, “How about the way we finished the 2024 season to go 8-9 or 9-8?” LOL!

What most fans remember and care about are playoff wins. Sure we won’t get them every year. But shouldn’t we have had more success than going 4-13 in the playoffs since our last divisional playoff win in Jan, 1996? Four wild card wins in 29 years? Is that the best we can hope for?
 
Bobhaze said:
Well said and true as well.

Regarding player evaluation, one of the big things this FO doesn’t seem to understand is this: Before you evaluate players, you better know exactly what kind of team you are building. Is it a smash mouth, physical team like Pittsburgh tries to build, or a finesse and speed team like Landry used to build a long time ago.

What kind of team are these guys trying to build? It seems to focus on 2 things: 1. A team they can sell and they've 2. A collection of “all stars” whether they fit together or not.
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I think the biggest issue with that is Jerry and Stephen want so badly to be seen as legit "football men"... This is why they cling to every draft pick so tightly.

As you say, it doesn't matter if the player is flawed, like a soft Diggs... If he's talented and shows some things, we have to give him a big contract because it shows everyone look how smart we are, we can draft great players.

There's no ability or willingness to make the hard, dispassionate evaluations and choices and do what's best for the team overall. It's all about their egos, especially with Stephen. Listen to him closely and you can hear how proud he is of what "great drafters" they are. It's also why they can't admit busts like Mazi, and continue to play them even when they've shown they aren't worthy.
 
Cmac said:
Contrary to many.....we're not in a "Woe is me" mode regarding fielding a competitive team, if we have a decent GM.
Just acquiring Kendricks in FA doesn't cut it. Our GM has should have fired himself years ago.
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You could argue that other than panicking and giving Dak that contract, the rest of 2024 pre-season was as sound a strategy as he's had since the CAP was instigated.
Based on the evidence that:2021,2022 and especially 2023 rosters (who didnt have the luxury of blaming the best team in the NFC), why attempt at the ANNUAL RELEVANCE, with a roster that was aging and coming to the end of their contracts. Dont we (correctly) argue that Jerry fails because we're always a tier under Championship level.....well 2024, pre-season we were getting old, a QB/HC in a contract year.....why not see what they can do with just the basics and see if they're worth the money to build around.....
.....as per Jerry, we came out of it as unclear as we went into it (oh and with a massive QB contract a pending LT and the highest paid defensive player in the NFL).
 
CowboyoWales said:
You could argue that other than panicking and giving Dak that contract, the rest of 2024 pre-season was as sound a strategy as he's had since the CAP was instigated.
Based on the evidence that:2021,2022 and especially 2023 rosters (who didnt have the luxury of blaming the best team in the NFC), why attempt at the ANNUAL RELEVANCE, with a roster that was aging and coming to the end of their contracts. Dont we (correctly) argue that Jerry fails because we're always a tier under Championship level.....well 2024, pre-season we were getting old, a QB/HC in a contract year.....why not see what they can do with just the basics and see if they're worth the money to build around.....
.....as per Jerry, we came out of it as unclear as we went into it (oh and with a massive QB contract a pending LT and the highest paid defensive player in the NFL).
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Not sure how you watch players defect to Washington, with minimal replacement, let alone a view of our OL play early, WR group and RB group. Given all what you wrote.......you confident in Jerry doing a rebuild? Whose old?......our starting QB and backup QB are 31 years olds. Our GM took care of two contracts (Dak/Cee Dee) after GM Malpractice. I'm not confident in our current GM rebuilding.
 
Bobhaze said:
That depends on how they structure it. I don’t like that contract either for many reasons but it doesn’t have to hamstring them like they say it does. Look at Filly with Hurts‘ $50 million contract. They somehow found a way to get Saquon.
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Well, firstly he helped by signing a 5 year deal. Yes, that extra year helps a ton. Hurt's cap hit for 2029 is 98 mil. At that point they'll either cut or extend him.

His cap hits are 21 mil for this year and 31 for next year.

Hurts signed a help the team deal, Dak signed a screw the team deal.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
I think the biggest issue with that is Jerry and Stephen want so badly to be seen as legit "football men"... This is why they cling to every draft pick so tightly.

As you say, it doesn't matter if the player is flawed, like a soft Diggs... If he's talented and shows some things, we have to give him a big contract because it shows everyone look how smart we are, we can draft great players.

There's no ability or willingness to make the hard, dispassionate evaluations and choices and do what's best for the team overall. It's all about their egos, especially with Stephen. Listen to him closely and you can hear how proud he is of what "great drafters" they are. It's also why they can't admit busts like Mazi, and continue to play them even when they've shown they aren't worthy.
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Diggs has been subpar in coverage since he got here.
 
Bobhaze said:
Twenty years from now, few if any Cowboys fans will look back and crow, “How about the way we finished the 2024 season to go 8-9 or 9-8?” LOL!

What most fans remember and care about are playoff wins. Sure we won’t get them every year. But shouldn’t we have had more success than going 4-13 in the playoffs since our last divisional playoff win in Jan, 1996? Four wild card wins in 29 years? Is that the best we can hope for?
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W/ the way we covet our own players, it sadly is.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
I think the biggest issue with that is Jerry and Stephen want so badly to be seen as legit "football men"... This is why they cling to every draft pick so tightly.

As you say, it doesn't matter if the player is flawed, like a soft Diggs... If he's talented and shows some things, we have to give him a big contract because it shows everyone look how smart we are, we can draft great players.

There's no ability or willingness to make the hard, dispassionate evaluations and choices and do what's best for the team overall. It's all about their egos, especially with Stephen. Listen to him closely and you can hear how proud he is of what "great drafters" they are. It's also why they can't admit busts like Mazi, and continue to play them even when they've shown they aren't worthy.
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Fantastic post.
This is what Jerry and Stephen stand on. And this philosophy is the ultimate undoing of ever achieving any genuine deep playoff runs.
You reap what you sow.

Again, great post.
 
75boyz said:
Fantastic post.
This is what Jerry and Stephen stand on. And this philosophy is the ultimate undoing of ever achieving any genuine deep playoff runs.
You reap what you sow.

Again, great post.
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And due to his extreme narcissism, he absolutely cannot fathom the thought of a player he pick succeeding on another team. So, he covets his players, keeping them long after they've been proven not useful. Remember when we were offered Antonio Cromartie for Tashard Choice? A 2nd for MartyB, a 2nd for Mike Jenkins?
 
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