The bad habit of running it back with the same people and same strategy

We are stuck in a Cowboys dictatorship, and we are the victims of it. They do whatever they want, and we have absolutely no say in it. If we could, say, vote on certain moves of the franchise, like let's say, GM, we would more than likely have more titles than zero in nearly 30 years.
 
Bobhaze said:
I think the people saying he’s garbage are blinded by how much money he makes or are just so frustrated by the team’s failure, he becomes the focus
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Actually that's backwards! The people supporting Dak are blinded by his garbage time stats. The QB is the most important position on the field. Great players inspire the rest of the team to fight harder. Mahomes has carried that team enough to where they will kill for him. You put Dak on that team and it's Alex Smith all over again.
Fans have had enough of this Dak fraud. Thier not asking for Mahomes or Burrow. How about a Jared Goff or Jordan Love.
 
Bobhaze said:
The last two head coaches of the Dallas Cowboys:
  • Jason Garrett - 2011-2019. Made the playoffs 3 times in 9 seasons, won 2 wild card games.
  • Mike McCarthy - 2020-2024 (so far) Made the playoffs 3 times in 5 seasons, won 1 wild card game.
I‘m not suggesting changing coaches every year. But in Garrett’s case we only made the playoffs 3 times in 9 years! And when Big Mac was hired he was supposed to get us to the next level, which seemed obvious it was to get us to at least a conference championship. Mac has one wild card win in 5 years.

Are we supposed to be good with all this?
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what coach is hired not expecting to take a team to the next level? A quick AI query suggests their have been 531 head coaches in the NFL, of which, 35 have won a SB. Thats about 6.6%

But Jerry... he supposed to be 80% success at winning a SB with his hires....lol
 
There is a draft upcoming......and this thing called Free Agency. Repeating the "do nothing" approach, after mass exits is not a recipe for a franchise that wants to be competitive or better.
 
Hadenough said:
Actually that's backwards! The people supporting Dak are blinded by his garbage time stats. The QB is the most important position on the field. Great players inspire the rest of the team to fight harder. Mahomes has carried that team enough to where they will kill for him. You put Dak on that team and it's Alex Smith all over again.
Fans have had enough of this Dak fraud. Thier not asking for Mahomes or Burrow. How about a Jared Goff or Jordan Love.
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This is not Fantasy Football draft where every player goes in the selection pool yearly.
 
Cmac said:
There is a draft upcoming......and this thing called Free Agency. Repeating the "do nothing" approach, after mass exits is not a recipe for a franchise that wants to be competitive or better.
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They expect their mid to late round draft picks to become stars.

Why? I suspect because they can’t evaluate for themselves and rely on listening to the staff essentially evaluate themselves on how they are developing players that were never likely to become anything.

It’s never….’well, umm…these guys aren’t ever going to be good NFL starters.’ More like….’yeah what a great pick Jerry.’

Similar to the media, they like their jobs. The only losers are the fans that want to see winning football.
 
KingintheNorth said:
It's the equivalent of punting on 3rd and long. Just giving up because things may be difficult or slightly uncomfortable. Big part of the reason this entire franchise folds at the slightest sign of adversity. The Jones Apologists will swallow anything from their leader.

Just like their proven failure of a philosophy on free agency.

Trying beats not trying every single time.
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It's the main reason they extended Dim.
 
fivetwos said:
They expect their mid to late round draft picks to become stars.

Why? I suspect because they can’t evaluate for themselves and rely on listening to the staff essentially evaluate themselves on how they are developing players that were never likely to become anything.

It’s never….’well, umm…these guys aren’t ever going to be good NFL starters.’ More like….’yeah what a great pick Jerry.’

Similar to the media, they like their jobs. The only losers are the fans that want to see winning football.
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Personally........draft evaluation, scouting, and player development needs to improve.....for starters. The go hand-in-hand. If one fails, the other two areas will certainly struggle.
 
Bobhaze said:
One of the many bad things about having your owner also serve as your GM is the really, really bad habit of keeping the same people around that have never done much in the playoffs when they had the chance.

Our owner falls in love with all the decisions and draft picks his GM makes, even when those people have accomplished very little when It mattered most. Then follows that up with the same people and same roster strategy that got you nowhere in the playoffs…again.

In short, why keep the same cast of key players and coaches when they collectively have done very little to make the Cowboys even close to a championship? Why is it so important to keep the same players and coaches who have accomplished almost nothing in the playoffs?

”Running it back” with the same key people and expecting different results is the habit of unaccountable leaders. They take few risks and would rather stick with what they feel safe with than be aggressive to get better. We’ve seen this with Tony Romo, Dak Prescott, Zeke Elliott, Jason Garrett, and now Mike McCarthy.

Let me make a couple of clarifications. Tony Romo and Dak Prescott have been good QBs. Not great but good enough IF and I mean a HUGE IF…you surround them with the right roster support. Our FO is apparently incapable of understanding this. Neither of those QBs have ever been capable of strapping a team on its back and winning playoff games by themselves. NEWS FLASH: Unless you are Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow, that’s mostly true about every NFL QB. And Mahomes wouldn’t have won the SB last year without that great KC defense.

So when this past off-season came along after the worst playoff loss in Cowboys history, I hoped our front office would wake up and say, “I’m tired of being good enough to make the playoffs and then accomplish nothing. We need a new approach.“

I had hoped they would fire McCarthy, let Dak’s contract expire, see if they could draft or trade for a different QB when it seemed clear the window for Dak to lead this team was closing. By the way, I’m not “anti-Dak” - I think the people saying he’s garbage are blinded by how much money he makes or are just so frustrated by the team’s failure, he becomes the focus. He’s good but just not a great QB and needs a strong running game to be most effective.

Unless I’m not seeing clearly, this front office is headed toward another “run it back“ with mostly the same key people that have given us 1 wild card playoff win in 5 years. Why should we expect any different results next year?
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1 wildcard playoff win in 5 years. For the life of me I will never understand how people can try to rationalize those results to be an acceptable standard.
I think those regular season banner cheerleaders here are the worst trolls on this forum and I even think one or possibly 2, are Jones relatives.
The 2 most important positions of HC and QB both suck at playoff football.
To reward one with an outrageous contract and extend the other to another un deserved coaching contract extension is absolutely insane.
 
75boyz said:
1 wildcard playoff win in 5 years. For the life of me I will never understand how people can try to rationalize those results to be an acceptable standard.
I think those regular season banner cheerleaders here are the worst trolls on this forum and I even think one or possibly 2, are Jones relatives.
The 2 most important positions of HC and QB both suck at playoff football.
To reward one with an outrageous contract and extend the other to another un deserved coaching contract extension is absolutely insane.
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Exactly. My slogan is "Demand Excellence". We as fans should always demand excellence, not the half-***ed approach the JonesBoys take.

But I hear you on those that try to rationalize failure like this guy:

Reid1boys said:
what coach is hired not expecting to take a team to the next level? A quick AI query suggests their have been 531 head coaches in the NFL, of which, 35 have won a SB. Thats about 6.6%

But Jerry... he supposed to be 80% success at winning a SB with his hires....lol
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Umm... it has been going on 30 years since the Cowboys competed for anything that mattered. We are one of only 2 NFC teams that has not even played in a conference title game in the 21st Century which itself is now 1/4 of the way over.

Those frightening facts ought to have you just as mad and complaining just as loudly as the rest of us. Unless, of course, you enjoy failure.
 
Cowboys5217 said:
Exactly. My slogan is "Demand Excellence". We as fans should always demand excellence, not the half-***ed approach the JonesBoys take.

But I hear you on those that try to rationalize failure like this guy:


Umm... it has been going on 30 years since the Cowboys competed for anything that mattered. We are one of only 2 NFC teams that has not even played in a conference title game in the 21st Century which itself is now 1/4 of the way over.

Those frightening facts ought to have you just as mad and complaining just as loudly as the rest of us. Unless, of course, you enjoy failure.
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Yep, exactly.
 
Bobhaze said:
One of the many bad things about having your owner also serve as your GM is the really, really bad habit of keeping the same people around that have never done much in the playoffs when they had the chance.

Our owner falls in love with all the decisions and draft picks his GM makes, even when those people have accomplished very little when It mattered most. Then follows that up with the same people and same roster strategy that got you nowhere in the playoffs…again.

In short, why keep the same cast of key players and coaches when they collectively have done very little to make the Cowboys even close to a championship? Why is it so important to keep the same players and coaches who have accomplished almost nothing in the playoffs?

”Running it back” with the same key people and expecting different results is the habit of unaccountable leaders. They take few risks and would rather stick with what they feel safe with than be aggressive to get better. We’ve seen this with Tony Romo, Dak Prescott, Zeke Elliott, Jason Garrett, and now Mike McCarthy.

Let me make a couple of clarifications. Tony Romo and Dak Prescott have been good QBs. Not great but good enough IF and I mean a HUGE IF…you surround them with the right roster support. Our FO is apparently incapable of understanding this. Neither of those QBs have ever been capable of strapping a team on its back and winning playoff games by themselves. NEWS FLASH: Unless you are Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow, that’s mostly true about every NFL QB. And Mahomes wouldn’t have won the SB last year without that great KC defense.

So when this past off-season came along after the worst playoff loss in Cowboys history, I hoped our front office would wake up and say, “I’m tired of being good enough to make the playoffs and then accomplish nothing. We need a new approach.“

I had hoped they would fire McCarthy, let Dak’s contract expire, see if they could draft or trade for a different QB when it seemed clear the window for Dak to lead this team was closing. By the way, I’m not “anti-Dak” - I think the people saying he’s garbage are blinded by how much money he makes or are just so frustrated by the team’s failure, he becomes the focus. He’s good but just not a great QB and needs a strong running game to be most effective.

Unless I’m not seeing clearly, this front office is headed toward another “run it back“ with mostly the same key people that have given us 1 wild card playoff win in 5 years. Why should we expect any different results next year?
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I am a firm believer in the player evaluation process. This is the most important part of building a winning team. Knowing what you have, and honestly assessing your talent, is the key to winning. Pretending you are good enough at RB, for example, is just bad strategy. The best teams know how to evaluate their talent and where to make improvements in the offseason. They commit to upgrading positions where necessary. I believe in upgrading wherever you can as long as the investment makes sense.

I have no problem running it back, as you say, at certain positions because the cost of upgrading is too high, or there might be other priorities. After 2023, Dallas had a few areas where upgrades were needed, but two in particular, RB and DL. They didn't fix anything.

It will be interesting to see what they do this offseason. They have the same issues, only worse with OSA and Golston going into free agency. But they also seem light at WR. Upgrades are needed.

Dallas did not commit to upgrading after 2023. And honestly, when they lose players to free agency, the don't seem to replace them with comparable or better players. They draft well but that doesn't always work out, as we saw with Guyton this year and Mazi last year.

The problem in Dallas is they do not commit do doing what is necessary to get better. They do not manage their CAP money well and as a result they find themselves settling of inferior replacement players.
 
I mean, as soon as the last second ticks off the season, we will be transported back to the end of Garrett's time as head coach. Left wondering when Mccarthy will get the ax. What changes are on the horizon. Weeks go by and no news... but Mccarthy at least has put his home up for sale and hired a new agent so maybe he's lining his duck up for an exit if Jerry walker blue drags his feet this off season. Either way, I can't get excited for anything this off season.
 
Cowboys5217 said:
Exactly. My slogan is "Demand Excellence". We as fans should always demand excellence, not the half-***ed approach the JonesBoys take.

But I hear you on those that try to rationalize failure like this guy:


Umm... it has been going on 30 years since the Cowboys competed for anything that mattered. We are one of only 2 NFC teams that has not even played in a conference title game in the 21st Century which itself is now 1/4 of the way over.

Those frightening facts ought to have you just as mad and complaining just as loudly as the rest of us. Unless, of course, you enjoy failure.
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an nfc title game... who freaking cares. The fact is, unless you have a Mahomes, Allen or Lamar, the salary cap will ensure that you go up and down a up and down for the most part. That is exactky what the salary cap is designed to do, and it does it quite well. The Pats used to be the universally hated team... not now, because they dont have super Tom, and now the Patriot way resembles the Jets way.

Now, the team with the super qb is mahomes, and strangely, they seem to be in the SB every year.


Change coaches all you want, wont matter one bit.

Just ask the Bears.
 
Creeper said:
I am a firm believer in the player evaluation process. This is the most important part of building a winning team. Knowing what you have, and honestly assessing your talent, is the key to winning. Pretending you are good enough at RB, for example, is just bad strategy. The best teams know how to evaluate their talent and where to make improvements in the offseason. They commit to upgrading positions where necessary. I believe in upgrading wherever you can as long as the investment makes sense.

I have no problem running it back, as you say, at certain positions because the cost of upgrading is too high, or there might be other priorities. After 2023, Dallas had a few areas where upgrades were needed, but two in particular, RB and DL. They didn't fix anything.

It will be interesting to see what they do this offseason. They have the same issues, only worse with OSA and Golston going into free agency. But they also seem light at WR. Upgrades are needed.

Dallas did not commit to upgrading after 2023. And honestly, when they lose players to free agency, the don't seem to replace them with comparable or better players. They draft well but that doesn't always work out, as we saw with Guyton this year and Mazi last year.

The problem in Dallas is they do not commit do doing what is necessary to get better. They do not manage their CAP money well and as a result they find themselves settling of inferior replacement players.
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Well said and true as well.

Regarding player evaluation, one of the big things this FO doesn’t seem to understand is this: Before you evaluate players, you better know exactly what kind of team you are building. Is it a smash mouth, physical team like Pittsburgh tries to build, or a finesse and speed team like Landry used to build a long time ago.

What kind of team are these guys trying to build? It seems to focus on 2 things: 1. A team they can sell and 2. A collection of “all stars” whether they fit together or not.
 
Bobhaze said:
Well said and true as well.

Regarding player evaluation, one of the big things this FO doesn’t seem to understand is this: Before you evaluate players, you better know exactly what kind of team you are building. Is it a smash mouth, physical team like Pittsburgh tries to build, or a finesse and speed team like Landry used to build a long time ago.

What kind of team are these guys trying to build? It seems to focus on 2 things: 1. A team they can sell and 2. A collection of “all stars” whether or not they fit together or not.
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In other words a top-down strategy in which all rowers are rowing in the same direction. Almost impossible given how we are “structured”.
 
Bobhaze said:
Well said and true as well.

Regarding player evaluation, one of the big things this FO doesn’t seem to understand is this: Before you evaluate players, you better know exactly what kind of team you are building. Is it a smash mouth, physical team like Pittsburgh tries to build, or a finesse and speed team like Landry used to build a long time ago.

What kind of team are these guys trying to build? It seems to focus on 2 things: 1. A team they can sell and 2. A collection of “all stars” whether they fit together or not.
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I wish we could evaluate players like the steelers did with Pickens....lol
 
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