CFZ The best NFL teams draft QBs even when they have a good starter

[CowboyRoy]

What? Churning through developmental QBs is a pointless exercise.

Great qbs are hard to find. Keep churning.

 

[Bobhaze]

Ask yourself this….who did we miss out on? We had no shot at Burrow, Watson, Herbert, etc. To me it’s a waste of resources to do what the Pats did using draft picks on quarterbacks or the Packers with Jordan Love.

The pats turned the drafts of Cassel, Brissett and Garropolo into better draft picks than their original value.

IMO it’s not a matter of looking backward and saying, “Who did we miss out on?” I see it as taking an occasional long shot in basketball. Sure the odds are long but the odds are 0% if you never even take the shot. And it’s not like all non-QB draft picks are a sure thing either.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Absolutely great post.
Quincy in round 2 decades ago and a whole lotta hope and prayers into a an UDFA and a 4th rounder for the past 15 years.

Just absolutely mind-boggling negligence shown in the refusal to draft or develop any QBs since Troy's retirement.

But wait, there's a whole Jerry brainwashed group here that says you NEVER move on, trade for, or invest high draft capital UNLESS it's an "ironclad proven plan" of being better than the current starter. Hence, the current QB purgatory.

Yeah, I don't understand football.
The ig list is long, lol.

Agreed, but Dak is still easily a top 10 QB in his prime. My beef with Dak is the ever increasing cost of keeping him. QB contracts keep increasing to ever more record-breaking prices. It's unsustainable and debilitating for the team. It definitely would be wise to draft a talented QB early in a draft every 3 - 4 years. Cowboys would be smart to draft one early in 2024's draft.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The pats turned the drafts of Cassel, Brissett and Garropolo into better draft picks than their original value.

IMO it’s not a matter of looking backward and saying, “Who did we miss out on?” I see it as taking an occasional long shot in basketball. Sure the odds are long but the odds are 0% if you never even take the shot. And it’s not like all non-QB draft picks are a sure thing either.

Couple of things. The Pats also loaded up on picks by trading aging players for top 100 picks. They were awful at drafting but they leveraged the hype around their players to outvalue the market particularly when they were doing it 10 years ago.

And in basketball shot selection is a huge component in success on offense. You don't just chuck up contested shots unless you have no choice when the shot clock winds down.

You are absolutely ignoring the opportunity cost. All the players you mentioned were passed over for all pro performances at G, OT, and CB with a pro bowl DE on top.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Look at these organizations’ approach to drafting QB talent, even when they had a great starter:

• Green Bay
  
  
• San Francisco
  
  
• New England
  
  
• Kansas City

And then there’s the team that does this religiously…

 

[big dog cowboy]

We had the to opportunity to draft Tom Brady.

So did every other team in the league.

 

[StarOfGlory]

It's not a great idea to be spending 2nds and 3rds on QBs if you have "THE Guy"...but taking flyers on Day 3 QBs, that can either be cheap backups, OR, that if they play well in preseason and in relief of injured starter you can flip for much higher round picks, it's a great idea.

Depends on the team. Sometimes it's better to cover your ***. Wentz, finally recovered from his injury, in 2019 looked like the MAN, throwing for over 4000 yards, with a TD/INT ratio of 27/7, averaging over 250 ypg. Eagles drafted Hurts the following year. Where would they be without Hurts? Washington Red Skins took RG3 and Cousins in the same draft. They made a good move--then promptly screwed it up after RG3 was done and they let Cousins walk. They've been in QB hell ever since. You never know when "The Man" is no longer the man. CYA.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Been saying that since before Aikman retired. You can't catch fish without casting out your line.

"Hitting" on Romo only made it worse. It seems to have convinced the Cowboys they can get a QB easily despite the struggles finding one in the years from Aikman to Romo.

In the last 20 years we have drafted S. McGee, Dak, M. White and B. DiNucci??? What kind of strategy is that?

We have to find out how they differed from Brady.

I know..it's some magic potion. Maybe AI can help?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The pats turned the drafts of Cassel, Brissett and Garropolo into better draft picks than their original value.

IMO it’s not a matter of looking backward and saying, “Who did we miss out on?” I see it as taking an occasional long shot in basketball. Sure the odds are long but the odds are 0% if you never even take the shot. And it’s not like all non-QB draft picks are a sure thing either.

I’m all for it except when you use first and second rounders on it. Cassel I have no issue with because he was a late round pick. But then again Cowboys in the Dak era have drafted Mike White and Dinucci….. I have no issue with it but doing what Packers did with Jordan Love was insane.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

First round and we have picked a couple mid round prospects already.

It is easy to second guess but there is an opportunity cost to selecting a QB. All of those teams had loaded rosters and in the case of two there was no cap. Now sure you can point to various failed second round picks and revise to your preferred outcome but that does not mitigate that we needed a OL, LB, DE, etc more than a QB.

I am fine with ideology as a guide or ideal to aspire to but actual policy should be determined pragmatically as to what is going on at that point in time.

We picked Diggs over Hurts.
Geno Smith was a first round pick and was widely considered a bust before year 8 of his career. We picked Travis Frederick instead.
Garoppolo was passed over for Zack Martin and DLaw.
Tyron Smith was the pick over Dalton.

Drafting a QB is a nice idea but I do not think we should have picked any of those QBs over the players we got.

This is all good and true, but those specific examples you gave are all very high draft picks. Big difference between that and using an occasional mid round pick.

It's also true "that we needed an OL, LB, DE, etc... more than a QB" The problem with that logic (assuming you have a starting QB) is that it can always be said, every draft. The team will never draft a quality developmental guy. It's a "win now" argument- but it prevents investment in the future. Those mid-round picks aren't locks at any position on the team anyway.

 

[CouchCoach]

In order to really draft a QB that will matter, they're going to have to be picking in the top 5. No assurance that will work out but better than picking after that.

And the QB's picked in this last draft? Not sure there's a NFL blue chipper in there.

Caleb Williams is the #1 pick right now but the team owning that pick may have already taken a QB so they might be amenable to a trade but that would involve parting with Parsons.

The question is how valuable is a player that might lead your team for 10-12 years and to championships? A D player just isn't going to do that.

I don't care who the player is, if he's not a QB in today's game, he is expendable.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

I’m all for it except when you use first and second rounders on it. Cassel I have no issue with because he was a late round pick. But then again Cowboys in the Dak era have drafted Mike White and Dinucci….. I have no issue with it but doing what Packers did with Jordan Love was insane.

Jordan Love might be a thriving starter for years to come, while Rodgers fades into an ayahuasca haze...

time will tell

 

[CouchCoach]

I’m all for it except when you use first and second rounders on it. Cassel I have no issue with because he was a late round pick. But then again Cowboys in the Dak era have drafted Mike White and Dinucci….. I have no issue with it but doing what Packers did with Jordan Love was insane.

Not if they were making the same move they made with Farve/Rodgers. Real GM's make future moves, they don't wait to see what happens and then react.

 

[Whirlwin]

Ok…but the Pats, Packers and niners drafted tons of QBs after the cap. And beside that, QBs on rookie deals are a great investment at low risk. They take very little cap space.

Never mind that they have great trade bate

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is all good and true, but those specific examples you gave are all very high draft picks. Big difference between that and using an occasional mid round pick.

It's also true "that we needed an OL, LB, DE, etc... more than a QB" The problem with that logic (assuming you have a starting QB) is that it can always be said, every draft. The team will never draft a quality developmental guy. It's a "win now" argument- but it prevents investment in the future. Those mid-round picks aren't locks at any position on the team anyway.

They have drafted mid round guys over the years. They were known to be targeting others like White too.

I don't hate the idea in general but in actual practice I don't think wee missed the boat.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It's not a great idea to be spending 2nds and 3rds on QBs if you have "THE Guy"...but taking flyers on Day 3 QBs, that can either be cheap backups, OR, that if they play well in preseason and in relief of injured starter you can flip for much higher round picks, it's a great idea.

Its the exact opposite actually. And jerry thinks like you which is the problem.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Ask yourself this….who did we miss out on? We had no shot at Burrow, Watson, Herbert, etc. To me it’s a waste of resources to do what the Pats did using draft picks on quarterbacks or the Packers with Jordan Love.

Thats a losing attitude. They whiff on qbs just like any other position.

Bottom line is that u evaluate the qb position in the draft like any other. And if there is a qb you think is special, then you take him.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

They have drafted mid round guys over the years. They were known to be targeting others like White too.

I don't hate the idea in general but in actual practice I don't think wee missed the boat.

In support of your argument, Dallas drafted Overshown, Fehoko, and Richards in what I call the mid-rounds. These are all promising young players I'm excited to see!

 

[Captain-Crash]

our guy has too much to worry about, we don't need to add a better QB than him. I'm fine keeping lesser guys. Let's ride the dak train over the cliff.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Its the exact opposite actually. And jerry thinks like you which is the problem.

"It's the exact opposite actually....." tehehehehe