CFZ The best NFL teams draft QBs even when they have a good starter

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jordan Love might be a thriving starter for years to come, while Rodgers fades into an ayahuasca haze...

time will tell

Very well could be but they could’ve used a first rounder to help Aaron out. I don’t think he had any first rounders at skilled positions there which is crazy.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Thats a losing attitude. They whiff on qbs just like any other position.

Bottom line is that u evaluate the qb position in the draft like any other. And if there is a qb you think is special, then you take him.

Ok and they didn’t think anyone was special and they were right. The only “special QBs” that are in the NFL are top 10 picks who they didn’t have a chance of drafting anyway.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Not if they were making the same move they made with Farve/Rodgers. Real GM's make future moves, they don't wait to see what happens and then react.

Right but a real GM doesn’t alienate the present for the future when you have one of the best quarterbacks of all time.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Depends on the team. Sometimes it's better to cover your ***. Wentz, finally recovered from his injury, in 2019 looked like the MAN, throwing for over 4000 yards, with a TD/INT ratio of 27/7, averaging over 250 ypg. Eagles drafted Hurts the following year. Where would they be without Hurts? Washington Red Skins took RG3 and Cousins in the same draft. They made a good move--then promptly screwed it up after RG3 was done and they let Cousins walk. They've been in QB hell ever since. You never know when "The Man" is no longer the man. CYA.

Well...we're kinda saying the same thing I think. If u strike it rich with a 2nd QB....and you have Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts or one of those guys in his prime.... then you have a GREAT insurance plan....AND, you can patiently listen to offers too. If so.eone wants to throw a 1st at you (Matt schaub) or other high picks like New England did...then maybe you strike a deal and get some sweet picks.

If I'm not mistaken....I think Philly about 15 years ago traded McNabbs backup to a tea.m (dolphins I think k) for a 2nd...then dolphins cut him a year later, and then Philly just resigns him for free.

Holmgren was a big believer in always investing in the QB room and then flipping them if price was right. His "disciples " did too.

 

[GMO415]

Bullet, Jerry said he was going to do it. I thought for sure he'd draft the UCLA QB, but no ......

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Bullet, Jerry said he was going to do it. I thought for sure he'd draft the UCLA QB, but no ......

Yep, JJ did say he was going to do it!
Thought maybe it would happen after Dak's performance against SF.
My hopes were dashed...

 

[conner01]

Ok…but the Pats, Packers and niners drafted tons of QBs after the cap. And beside that, QBs on rookie deals are a great investment at low risk. They take very little cap space.

They take draft capital. Drafting a position over talent is not a wise move. If a QB is the best or close to the best available then fine. But taking a QB to to take a QB when better guys at other positions are there is foolish

 

[rambo2]

One of jones worst traits as a GM

They have a good 3 deep at qb today.

 

[rambo2]

The pats turned the drafts of Cassel, Brissett and Garropolo into better draft picks than their original value.

IMO it’s not a matter of looking backward and saying, “Who did we miss out on?” I see it as taking an occasional long shot in basketball. Sure the odds are long but the odds are 0% if you never even take the shot. And it’s not like all non-QB draft picks are a sure thing either.

The Pats suck now.

 

[rambo2]

Right but a real GM doesn’t alienate the present for the future when you have one of the best quarterbacks of all time.

A real gm wins 12 games 3 years in a row.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The Pats suck now.

Yep. All those bad draft picks and wasted picks on quarterbacks caught up.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The QB position is THE hardest to find sustainable, quality talent. It often requires several attempts before finding a QB that has real value. Doesn’t mean you have to use Day one or two draft picks every year, but there is certainly evidence that even after you find a quality starting QB, your team should still be QB shopping in the draft often.

For some reason, our front office does not choose to draft QBs very often. Since JJ bought the team in 1989, the Cowboys have drafted 7 QBs. That’s 7 QBs in 34 years. From 1992-2009, the Cowboys only drafted 2 QBs- Quincy Carter in 2001 and Stephen McGee in 2009. From 2010-23, we have drafted 3 QBs- Dak, Mike White and Ben DiNucci.

Part of this was because of finding Tony Romo as an UFA in 2003 and stumbling upon Dak in round 4 in 2016. But it is still interesting how little the Cowboys have used draft capital to draft a QB. In the combined 19 years of the Cowboys having Romo and Dak under center, the Cowboys have only drafted 4 QBs.

One of the things I’ve noticed is the habit of many of the better NFL organizations is drafting QBs even when they have a quality starter. Look at these three organizations’ approach to drafting QB talent, even when they had a great starter:

• Green Bay- even when Brett Favre was QB, putting together a HOF career, the pack drafted 9 QBs in 13 drafts. In 2005, they drafted Aaron Rodgers in round 1, and went to 5 NFC championships and won a SB with Rodgers, yet in the 18 seasons Rodgers was in GB, the pack still drafted 6 QBs.
  
  
• San Francisco- the niners have played in 6 NFC championships and 2 SBs in this century and they have done that with 4 different starting QBs. Their habit of acquiring QB talent even when they have a great starter goes all the way back to the 80s when they acquired Steve Young in a trade with the Bucs when they already had the great Joe Montana. The niners have drafted 6 QBs in the last 12 drafts, and their draft of Brock Purdy with the last pick of the 2022 draft, even after drafting Trey Lance in round 1 in 2021 paid big dividends last season.
  
  
• New England- in the 20 seasons the GOAT Tom Brady was winning SBs in NE, the pats still drafted 9 QBs. Three of those QBs- Jacoby Brissett, Matt Cassel, and Jimmy Garropolo all were traded for better draft capital than they were originally drafted. New England‘s philosophy of drafting QBs even when they had the greatest QB in NFL history served them well.
  
  
• Kansas City- KC had Alex Smith from 2013-17, and he led the chiefs to the playoffs in 4 of his 5 seasons there. He was certainly seen as a good starter. Yet the chiefs chose to trade up in round 1 to draft Patrick Mahomes in 2017. No one knew Pat Mahomes was going to be what he turned into. And I’m a Texas Tech fan who saw Mahomes play in person 5 times!

Bottom line- IMO the Cowboys would be wise to draft a QB more often. The above teams have drafted QBs even with HOF talent in place. Regardless of what happens with Dak and his future with Dallas, this organization needs to draft a QB more often.

Jerald won't draft a QB so as to not hurt Derek's feelings.

 

[rambo2]

Jerald won't draft a QB so as to not hurt Derek's feelings.

They have all of the qbs that they need right now. I like Greer over what the Eagles have now. For the dummies I'm talking about their 2nd and 3rd qbs.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Ok and they didn’t think anyone was special and they were right. The only “special QBs” that are in the NFL are top 10 picks who they didn’t have a chance of drafting anyway.

Like dak? Gotta do stuff like that. Just dont wait till the incumbent is too old. Dont fear a qb controversy. If you really like a guy, draft him.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Yep. All those bad draft picks and wasted picks on quarterbacks caught up.

Surprising how fast it sneaked up on them. Just took 6 Super Bowl wins. You'd think it would take 10 SB wins or more before the luck ran out.

 

[rambo2]

Surprising how fast it sneaked up on them. Just took 6 Super Bowl wins. You'd think it would take 10 SB wins or more before the luck ran out.

They may not win again for 30 years.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Like dak? Gotta do stuff like that. Just dont wait till the incumbent is too old. Dont fear a qb controversy. If you really like a guy, draft him.

There hasn’t been another Dak sense he was drafted.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Surprising how fast it sneaked up on them. Just took 6 Super Bowl wins. You'd think it would take 10 SB wins or more before the luck ran out.

Yeah if you think they won those rings because of drafting Brissett and Garopolo you’re sadly mistaken. A big part he wanted out was because he fell out with Bellicheat over Jimmy G.

 

[Bobhaze]

Ok and they didn’t think anyone was special and they were right. The only “special QBs” that are in the NFL are top 10 picks who they didn’t have a chance of drafting anyway.

The only “special” QBs were drafted in the top ten picks? Looking at all the starting QBs from just the 2022 season and look at the ones who weren’t drafted in the top ten picks of the draft:

• Aaron Rodgers (27th pick of round 1) 1 Lombardi, 1 NFC championship
• Patrick Mahomes (17th pick of round 1) 2 Lombardis, 3 AFC championships
• Tom Brady (6th Rd) 7 Lombardis, 9 AFC championships
• Jalen Hurts (2nd rd) 1 NFC championship, 1 SB appearance
• Russell Wilson (3rd Rd) 2 NFC championships, 2 SB appearances, 1 Lombardi
• Lamar Jackson (1st round 32 nd pick)
• Kirk Cousins (4th Rd)
• Dak Prescott (4th rd)
• Jimmy Garoppolo (2nd Rd)- 1 NFC championship, 1 SB appearance
• Derek Carr (2nd Rd)
• Andy Dalton (2nd round)

Maybe not all those are “special” but NONE of them were drafted in the first 10 picks of the draft.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Bob is bringing the receipts today.