CFZ The best NFL teams draft QBs even when they have a good starter

[GMO415]

The Pats suck now.

They had 20 years of greatness no one will ever achieve again in our lifetime.

I'd take crap for that now. Look where we're at, 27 years and counting.

 

[Bobhaze]

They take draft capital. Drafting a position over talent is not a wise move. If a QB is the best or close to the best available then fine. But taking a QB to to take a QB when better guys at other positions are there is foolish

Conner I agree with that concept generally speaking.

But are we to believe the Cowboys have always followed their draft board and taken the best player available regardless of position? So there were only 2 QBs good enough for the Cowboys to draft between 2001 and 2015? (Quincy Carter and Stephen McGee) There was never a time the Cowboys passed on a QB rated higher on their board than the player they ended up drafting? I seriously doubt it.

 

[Bobhaze]

The Pats suck now.

Do they? They’ve certainly been mediocre the last 3 years since Brady left- Reg season record of 25-25. But they did make the playoffs in 2021 with then rookie QB Mack Jones. Not great, but not terrible either. Our Cowboys are 30-20 over last 3 years.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The only “special” QBs were drafted in the top ten picks? Looking at all the starting QBs from just the 2022 season and look at the ones who weren’t drafted in the top ten picks of the draft:

• Aaron Rodgers (27th pick of round 1) 1 Lombardi, 1 NFC championship
• Patrick Mahomes (17th pick of round 1) 2 Lombardis, 3 AFC championships
• Tom Brady (6th Rd) 7 Lombardis, 9 AFC championships
• Jalen Hurts (2nd rd) 1 NFC championship, 1 SB appearance
• Russell Wilson (3rd Rd) 2 NFC championships, 2 SB appearances, 1 Lombardi
• Kirk Cousins (4th Rd)
• Dak Prescott (4th rd)
• Jimmy Garoppolo (2nd Rd)- 1 NFC championship, 1 SB appearance
• Derek Carr (2nd Rd)
• Andy Dalton (2nd round)

Maybe not all those are “special” but NONE of them were drafted in the first 10 picks of the draft.

I’m speaking post Dak when they actually would’ve addressed the position. Most of those guys were drafted prior to Dak. Realistically if you consider Hurts “special” then yes we missed out on him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Do they? They’ve certainly been mediocre the last 3 years since Brady left- Reg season record of 25-25. But they did make the playoffs in 2021 with then rookie QB Mack Jones. Not great, but not terrible either. Our Cowboys are 30-20 over last 3 years.

30-20 is far better than 25-25 especially when you factor in the last 2 years they have 24 wins lol.

 

[Bobhaze]

30-20 is far better than 25-25 especially when you factor in the last 2 years they have 24 wins lol.

Of course.

I’m speaking post Dak when they actually would’ve addressed the position. Most of those guys were drafted prior to Dak. Realistically if you consider Hurts “special” then yes we missed out on him.

I‘m just saying there are plenty of excellent QBs even now that weren't taken in the first 10 picks of the draft which you had said.

 

[rambo2]

They had 20 years of greatness no one will ever achieve again in our lifetime.

I'd take crap for that now. Look where we're at, 27 years and counting.

And counting? The Cowboys are currently one of the best teams in the league and have good qb depth.

 

[tunahelper]

The QB position is THE hardest to find sustainable, quality talent. It often requires several attempts before finding a QB that has real value. Doesn’t mean you have to use Day one or two draft picks every year, but there is certainly evidence that even after you find a quality starting QB, your team should still be QB shopping in the draft often.

For some reason, our front office does not choose to draft QBs very often. Since JJ bought the team in 1989, the Cowboys have drafted 7 QBs. That’s 7 QBs in 34 years. From 1992-2009, the Cowboys only drafted 2 QBs- Quincy Carter in 2001 and Stephen McGee in 2009. From 2010-23, we have drafted 3 QBs- Dak, Mike White and Ben DiNucci.

Part of this was because of finding Tony Romo as an UFA in 2003 and stumbling upon Dak in round 4 in 2016. But it is still interesting how little the Cowboys have used draft capital to draft a QB. In the combined 19 years of the Cowboys having Romo and Dak under center, the Cowboys have only drafted 4 QBs.

One of the things I’ve noticed is the habit of many of the better NFL organizations is drafting QBs even when they have a quality starter. Look at these three organizations’ approach to drafting QB talent, even when they had a great starter:

• Green Bay- even when Brett Favre was QB, putting together a HOF career, the pack drafted 9 QBs in 13 drafts. In 2005, they drafted Aaron Rodgers in round 1, and went to 5 NFC championships and won a SB with Rodgers, yet in the 18 seasons Rodgers was in GB, the pack still drafted 6 QBs.
  
  
• San Francisco- the niners have played in 6 NFC championships and 2 SBs in this century and they have done that with 4 different starting QBs. Their habit of acquiring QB talent even when they have a great starter goes all the way back to the 80s when they acquired Steve Young in a trade with the Bucs when they already had the great Joe Montana. The niners have drafted 6 QBs in the last 12 drafts, and their draft of Brock Purdy with the last pick of the 2022 draft, even after drafting Trey Lance in round 1 in 2021 paid big dividends last season.
  
  
• New England- in the 20 seasons the GOAT Tom Brady was winning SBs in NE, the pats still drafted 9 QBs. Three of those QBs- Jacoby Brissett, Matt Cassel, and Jimmy Garropolo all were traded for better draft capital than they were originally drafted. New England‘s philosophy of drafting QBs even when they had the greatest QB in NFL history served them well.
  
  
• Kansas City- KC had Alex Smith from 2013-17, and he led the chiefs to the playoffs in 4 of his 5 seasons there. He was certainly seen as a good starter. Yet the chiefs chose to trade up in round 1 to draft Patrick Mahomes in 2017. No one knew Pat Mahomes was going to be what he turned into. And I’m a Texas Tech fan who saw Mahomes play in person 5 times!

Bottom line- IMO the Cowboys would be wise to draft a QB more often. The above teams have drafted QBs even with HOF talent in place. Regardless of what happens with Dak and his future with Dallas, this organization needs to draft a QB more often.

Great post. Seemed like Bill Walsh and 49ers made SF the QB farm. Their approach is a wise move and Jerry struck gold with Romo and Dak. Even without a SB JJ has enjoyed 2 QB's he can sell.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Of course.

I‘m just saying there are plenty of excellent QBs even now that weren't taken in the first 10 picks of the draft which you had said.

Who? Mahomes was around 12? Can’t think of anyone else.

 

[rambo2]

Who? Mahomes was around 12? Can’t think of anyone else.

I like the qb that Detroit drafted this year.

 

[Bobhaze]

Who? Mahomes was around 12? Can’t think of anyone else.

Mahomes was the 17th pick of the 2017 draft. Aaron Rodgers was 27th pick of 2005. Dude did you note read this response from me earlier?…..

The only “special” QBs were drafted in the top ten picks? Looking at all the starting QBs from just the 2022 season and look at the ones who weren’t drafted in the top ten picks of the draft:

• Aaron Rodgers (27th pick of round 1) 1 Lombardi, 1 NFC championship
• Patrick Mahomes (17th pick of round 1) 2 Lombardis, 3 AFC championships
• Tom Brady (6th Rd) 7 Lombardis, 9 AFC championships
• Jalen Hurts (2nd rd) 1 NFC championship, 1 SB appearance
• Russell Wilson (3rd Rd) 2 NFC championships, 2 SB appearances, 1 Lombardi
• Lamar Jackson (1st round 32 nd pick)
• Kirk Cousins (4th Rd)
• Dak Prescott (4th rd)
• Jimmy Garoppolo (2nd Rd)- 1 NFC championship, 1 SB appearance
• Derek Carr (2nd Rd)
• Andy Dalton (2nd round)

Maybe not all those are “special” but NONE of them were drafted in the first 10 picks of the draft.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I like the qb that Detroit drafted this year.

I liked him too but he’s far from “special”….not yet anyway.

 

[rambo2]

I liked him too but he’s far from “special”….not yet anyway.

I think he is the best qb in the draft.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Mahomes was the 17th pick of the 2017 draft. Aaron Rodgers was 27th pick of 2005. Dude did you note read this response from me earlier?…..

The only “special” QBs were drafted in the top ten picks? Looking at all the starting QBs from just the 2022 season and look at the ones who weren’t drafted in the top ten picks of the draft:

• Aaron Rodgers (27th pick of round 1) 1 Lombardi, 1 NFC championship
• Patrick Mahomes (17th pick of round 1) 2 Lombardis, 3 AFC championships
• Tom Brady (6th Rd) 7 Lombardis, 9 AFC championships
• Jalen Hurts (2nd rd) 1 NFC championship, 1 SB appearance
• Russell Wilson (3rd Rd) 2 NFC championships, 2 SB appearances, 1 Lombardi
• Lamar Jackson (1st round 32 nd pick)
• Kirk Cousins (4th Rd)
• Dak Prescott (4th rd)
• Jimmy Garoppolo (2nd Rd)- 1 NFC championship, 1 SB appearance
• Derek Carr (2nd Rd)
• Andy Dalton (2nd round)

Maybe not all those are “special” but NONE of them were drafted in the first 10 picks of the draft.

So a few things….

I not only read it but even addressed it and questioned why you would list people pre Dak.

Second, Mahomes was not the 17th overall pick. He was the 10th overall pick and the Chiefs traded 2 first round picks and a 3rd to get Mahomes.

Like I said earlier….Jalen Hurts is the only one…..

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think he is the best qb in the draft.

I mean I honestly can’t say until I see them on the field.

 

[Bobhaze]

So a few things….

I not only read it but even addressed it and questioned why you would list people pre Dak.

Second, Mahomes was not the 17th overall pick. He was the 10th overall pick and the Chiefs traded 2 first round picks and a 3rd to get Mahomes.

Like I said earlier….Jalen Hurts is the only one…..

I stand corrected on Mahomes…you’re right- he was the 10th pick. But I stand by my response to your statement that there are are no “special” QBs after the 10th pick in round 1. We can certainly agree to disagree.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I stand corrected on Mahomes…you’re right- he was the 10th pick. But I stand by my response to your statement that there are are no “special” QBs after the 10th pick in round 1. We can certainly agree to disagree.

I agreed with you that if we consider Hurts special then yeah we missed out on him.

 

[rambo2]

I agreed with you that if we consider Hurts special then yeah we missed out on him.

Missed out? The Cowboys already had a qb and drafted players that they needed.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Missed out? The Cowboys already had a qb and drafted players that they needed.

Understood but Hurts > Rush. For the sake of the argument has they drafted Hurts it wouldn’t have hurt them.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Bottom line- IMO the Cowboys would be wise to draft a QB more often. The above teams have drafted QBs even with HOF talent in place. Regardless of what happens with Dak and his future with Dallas, this organization needs to draft a QB more often.

One of the big disappointments with McCarthy is how Mr. QB Whisperer really has done no whispering.
I remember noises about QB camps. But where are the *players* he's developing? Seems like once Rush got competent, we were done, and besides camp arms, we're not interested in developing anyone with a starting caliber arm.
Hitting on a cheap QB is such a bonanza. Hitting on a cheap QB who can run is huge. You get the added threat production without the long term dead money risk to the cap.
Keep em coming. Keep em running.
To make that happen, you've got to invest *something*.
And we're not doing it.