The Calvin Johnson Rule Does Not Apply

[JD_KaPow]

Except he didn't secure it 100%, or we're not having this conversation.

Well, yeah, that's what he was told afterward. It doesn't mean he didn't make every effort to do so.

 

[speedkilz88]

I saw the play. I thought he caught the ball. But according to the rules, he catches the ball then he's starting to fall and extends the ball toward the goal line and the ball hits the ground. And according to the rules and the way that play has been called, it's not a catch.

According to the rules extending the ball toward the goal line is a football move making it a catch.

 

[viman96]

Where does the rule book say that?

And the big thing...once again...is I showed where Miles Austin made a very similar play (body in extension, left arm extended with the ball cupped around the arm). According to Stetatore, he was looking for a 'move common to a football act' and didn't see it. But, we obviously see that and it's a move common to a football act.



YR

Fairly certain Dez made a very similar move against the Colts.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

what was the move CJ made in the bears game??

Really?

Did you read my FIRST post.

Did you read the countless others that explained the rule.

In *nowhere* in the CJ Rule does it talk about a 'move common to a football act.'

Why?

Because when you fall to the ground the process of the catch is still in progress.

The CJ Rule doesn't apply here because you have completed the process of the catch once you attempt to make a move common to a football act.

That's what Stetatore is saying. He was looking for a move common to a football act, but didn't see one. Obviously there was one as Dez's move was exactly what Miles Austin did (and countless other players in the NFL over the years). The body and arm extension completely negates the CJ Rule. The process of the catch has already been completed and the player has not fallen directly to the ground. Instead, they have tried to advance the ball and then fallen to the ground.

There is no football move required if you catch the ball in the end zone, thus the rule isn't applicable to this situation.




YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Fairly certain Dez made a very similar move against the Colts.

Watch the Sunday Ticket at a bar. You see that move happen all of the time.

All I really want is for the league to admit that it was the incorrect call because the extension constitutes a 'football move.' There's nothing we can do about it now, but don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. And for people to tell us to read Gene Stetatore's comments which state that he was looking for a football move and didn't see it and then claiming that proves their point...makes you wonder what their agenda is.




YR

 

[plymkr]

According to the rules extending the ball toward the goal line is a football move making it a catch.

Yes because it is very difficult to extend something when you don't have it. At this very second I do not have a football in my hands, therefor I can not extend the ball to the goal line. At that very second when Dez extended to score the touchdown he had a football in his hand. If it wasn't a catch how did the football get from the 4 to the half foot line? I want the ref to calmly and carefully explain to me how Dez made contact with the ball at the 4 but didn't complete the catch. If he didn't complete the catch how does one extend the ball to the end zone? That's what I want from the NFL. In this non catch, how did the ball travel 3 yards in the receivers hands to pop out at the 1? Dez is awesome but not a magician. Is this some sort of magical ball? Is the ball full of helium like a balloon and Dez was just tapping It towards the goal post?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Really?

Did you read my FIRST post.

Did you read the countless others that explained the rule.

In *nowhere* in the CJ Rule does it talk about a 'move common to a football act.'

Why?

Because when you fall to the ground the process of the catch is still in progress.

The CJ Rule doesn't apply here because you have completed the process of the catch once you attempt to make a move common to a football act.

That's what Stetatore is saying. He was looking for a move common to a football act, but didn't see one. Obviously there was one as Dez's move was exactly what Miles Austin did (and countless other players in the NFL over the years). The body and arm extension completely negates the CJ Rule. The process of the catch has already been completed and the player has not fallen directly to the ground. Instead, they have tried to advance the ball and then fallen to the ground.

There is no football move required if you catch the ball in the end zone, thus the rule isn't applicable to this situation.




YR

Just like Michael Irvin in the SB XXVIII catching ball in air and diving to the end zone. If the ball came loose when he hit it on the ground in the end zone it would still be a TD.

 

[viman96]

Watch the Sunday Ticket at a bar. You see that move happen all of the time.

All I really want is for the league to admit that it was the incorrect call because the extension constitutes a 'football move.' There's nothing we can do about it now, but don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. And for people to tell us to read Gene Stetatore's comments which state that he was looking for a football move and didn't see it and then claiming that proves their point...makes you wonder what their agenda is.




YR

I agree with you. I was referring to Dez making a diving stretch towards the goal line against the Colts for a more recent example.

 

[tideh20heel]

I'm not going to even continue this discussion beyond this post. It's insulting for you to introduce Jim Crow laws in a discussion about rules governing sports entertainment. And I'll leave it at that.

Why even bother posting then. As for insulting you I couldn't care less.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Just like Michael Irvin in the SB XXVIII catching ball in air and diving to the end zone. If the ball came loose when he hit it on the ground in the end zone it would still be a TD.

But hey, that's an act common to football, but Dez's isn't.

At least that's what some are telling us until they change their story, again.




YR

 

[tyke1doe]

Why even bother posting then. As for insulting you I couldn't care less.

I think that's pretty obvious.

 

[Dale]

Watch the Sunday Ticket at a bar. You see that move happen all of the time.

All I really want is for the league to admit that it was the incorrect call because the extension constitutes a 'football move.' There's nothing we can do about it now, but don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. And for people to tell us to read Gene Stetatore's comments which state that he was looking for a football move and didn't see it and then claiming that proves their point...makes you wonder what their agenda is.




YR

I love Pereira and Blandino saying Dez didn't lunge enough to consider it a football move. I feel like I'm in a Seinfeld episode. He either lunged or didn't. And he did.

 

[cowboyfan4lyfe]

If you go back and watch the 2nd Philly game he made the same move on the play when he was tackled on 1 or 2 yard line when Dallas drove to retake the lead from the Eagles

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I love Pereira and Blandino saying Dez didn't lunge enough to consider it a football move. I feel like I'm in a Seinfeld episode. He either lunged or didn't. And he did.

I think they are not helping their argument.

They are claiming that he lunged, but he didn't lunge enough.

1. There is no rule that states how much you need to lunge to constitute a football move.

2. By acknowledging he lunged, that is indeed a move to advance the ball towards the end zone.

I don't think there's a conspiracy to screw the Cowboys, but I do think that Perriera and Blandino are now seeing that their initial comments were wrong. And the league probably feels you can't take back 2 critical calls 2 weeks in a row. So now it is time to come up with silly excuses to claim they were right.

Stetatore did them in. He states clearly he was looking for a 'football move' and didn't see it. We all did. They all got caught up in the Calvin Johnson rule where the receiver cannot make a football move...which is the point of the original post in this thread.

Amazing so many dolts in the media just went along with this without actually reading and dissecting the rule for themselves. Of course, that would take some original thought and IQ points.

The rule isn't the problem...the refs and the NFL just don't understand their own rules. What else is new.




YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If you go back and watch the 2nd Philly game he made the same move on the play when he was tackled on 1 or 2 yard line when Dallas drove to retake the lead from the Eagles

Yup. We could probably go thru hundreds of examples on throughout the league this year alone.

I think the problem is that the media just wants to say 'I hate this rule, but they went by the letter of the rule.'

The problem is *not* the rule.

The problem is the refs didn't exercise the rule correctly.

It just sounds great to say 'the rule sucks, but they followed the rule.'




YR

 

[TheCount]

Well, yeah, that's what he was told afterward. It doesn't mean he didn't make every effort to do so.

Again, I'm not questioning his effort.

 

[MikMak]

Looked to me like he was falling while running. With all of the advantages wide receivers get these days with pass interference, hitting defenseless receiver etc. etc. having to maintain possession until you're clearly in control of you body doesn't seem like an outrageous rule. League is getting way too geared towards offense.

 

[Staubacher]

I love Pereira and Blandino saying Dez didn't lunge enough to consider it a football move. I feel like I'm in a Seinfeld episode. He either lunged or didn't. And he did.

I know. Who lunges for a TD if they don't already have the catch and are attempting their next move? Dez would have been trying to secure the catch not score. He even switched hands.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Looked to me like he was falling while running. With all of the advantages wide receivers get these days with pass interference, hitting defenseless receiver etc. etc. having to maintain possession until you're clearly in control of you body doesn't seem like an outrageous rule. League is getting way too geared towards offense.

You can't say 'well, the league is favored towards offense so we'll give him this call.'

I'm *not* disagreeing with the rule. I'm saying the rule doesn't apply here.

Stetatore even said that he was looking for a move common to a football act, but didn't see it.

I have no problem with a rule that says that if a player doesn't make a football move and they go to the ground and the ball comes out...it's incomplete.

But Dez made a football move and then the ball came out. Stetatore just ignored that it was a football move.

If you want to curb the advantages offenses have due to the rules, re-enforce the intentional grounding and 'in the grasp' penalties. Re-enforce illegal blocking on pick plays.




YR

 

[TimHortons]

falling towards the end zone off balance isn't a football move...

That's true. But extending the ball with full control of said ball sure as hell is