The Calvin Johnson Rule Does Not Apply

[TRUTH87]

I don't get it Lions player....how does this relate to Romo throwing a TD and then Stafford fumbling the not once...but twice?

I'm really getting sick of this nonsense...

yes . lions tbh are so classless its not even funny. im sick

 

[BourbonBalz]

He also took 3 steps. So you can say he was falling and others can say he was taking 3 steps.

It doesn't matter because he extended his arm. You can't extend the ball with your arm unless you have control of the ball. And you extend the arm to hopefully advance the ball. Making a 'move' to advance the ball is a 'football move.'

He lost control of the ball as he was making a football move. He didn't lose control of the ball in the process of the catch.





YR

What makes this so hard for these guys to understand?

 

[Ken]

I'll let your childish rebuttle slide since there's obviously a lot of emotion flowing right now, but my "nonsense" really isn't all that outlandish of a statement.

If he scores, then obviously - as a Dallas Cowboy fan - I'm ecstatic. That doesn't change what I'm saying. If Romo closes his eyes and throwing the ball straight up in the air, that's still a stupid decision even if a Cowboy receiver comes down with it.

There was nothing childish about my rebuttal. You can't just turn off being ultra competitive and trying to score becasause there is no forgone conclusion that they would have had he not.

 

[The Quest for Six]

An



he had already MADE THE CATCH!!!!

he didn't, that's the NFL ruling, I can't explain it to you any clearer...

 

[TheCount]

He made the first down and tried to do more. Most players would. It's just a bad overturn.

He didn't make the first down because he didn't complete the catch.

I do agree on the bad overturn, purely because it was ruled a catch and I didn't see a clear angle where the ball clearly bounced off the ground.

 

[illhurtya]

he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of the catch when he goes to the ground....he didn't maintain possession when he hit the ground

You're arguing that Dez wasn't making a football move. Have you ever not seen Dez making football move after he catches the ball? I'm giving him the benefit of any doubt when it comes to him making a "football move."

 

[Yakuza Rich]

OK, let's say he goes ten yard, trips and lands on the ground and the ball pops out....

Apparently, it's rocket science.

The issue here is that people are only reading 1 part of the rule. They completely neglect the other part of the rule which is what constitutes 'the process of the catch?' That's why the CJ rule was made...because before the CJ rule you could catch the ball in the end zone (or not try and advance the ball) and fall to the ground and the ball could come out and it would be ruled a *catch*. The rule was instituted to make sure that a player had to catch the ball thru the ground if they weren't trying to advance the ball.

The CJ rule was harsh because CJ lost control of the ball as he was trying to celebrate. Since he was in the end zone, he can't advance the ball.

But this rule applying here is contradictory and hazardous to the game and a complete misinterpretation of the rule




YR

 

[TheCount]

There was nothing childish about my rebuttal. You can't just turn off being ultra competitive and trying to score becasause there is no forgone conclusion that they would have had he not.

You are completely missing my point. I didn't say anything about Dez turning off his competitiveness. That catch is beastly whether he scores on it or not.

 

[The Quest for Six]

You're arguing that Dez wasn't making a football move. Have you ever not seen Dez making football move after he catches the ball? I'm giving him the benefit of any doubt when it comes to him making a "football move."

that's what happens when you watch games through rose colored glasses

 

[Boyzmamacita]

He didn't make the first down because he didn't complete the catch.

I do agree on the bad overturn, purely because it was ruled a catch and I didn't see a clear angle where the ball clearly bounced off the ground.

Then how can you say he didn't complete the catch?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

he didn't, that's the NFL ruling, I can't explain it to you any clearer...

Yakuza Rich said: ↑
He also took 3 steps. So you can say he was falling and others can say he was taking 3 steps.

It doesn't matter because he extended his arm. You can't extend the ball with your arm unless you have control of the ball. And you extend the arm to hopefully advance the ball. Making a 'move' to advance the ball is a 'football move.'

He lost control of the ball as he was making a football move. He didn't lose control of the ball in the process of the catch.

 

[percyhoward]

you're ignoring the basics of the ruling which is, read it again....he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of the catch when he goes to the ground,

The ruling on the field was that the process of the catch had been completed. That ruling was essentially reversed, and this is now the central question.

Dez had control, got both feet down, and advanced the ball. IOW, what he did satisfied the NFL's requirements for a catch.

 

[BourbonBalz]

It was a catch. We got screwed. Nothing is going to change that.

 

[TheCount]

Then how can you say he didn't complete the catch?

That was two separate thoughts.

1. It wasn't a catch, but it was ruled one on the field.

2. Because it was ruled one on the field, the evidence has to be without doubt to overturn. It wasn't.

 

[loublue22]

he didn't, that's the NFL ruling, I can't explain it to you any clearer...

it's a good thing we all have eyes then

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You're arguing that Dez wasn't making a football move. Have you ever not seen Dez making football move after he catches the ball? I'm giving him the benefit of any doubt when it comes to him making a "football move."

It's not about 'benefit of the doubt.'

What is a 'football move?'

I would generally take that as having control of the ball and trying to make some sort of move where you can advance the ball because now you are a runner.

In the CJ case, he's *never* a runner. He is in the end zone. He can't run the ball after the catch in the end zone. He can't extend his arm after the catch. They're not going to give him 8 points for doing so. They are not going to make it 'more of a touchdown' for doing so.

If Dez had just fell to the ground without the attempt of advancing the ball, then there is no football move. But he not only extended his arm, but extended his body forward...it's a football move. Period. Whatever agenda people have to ignore it is their own goofiness.




YR

 

[Deep_South]

You guys watch the game, you know what the result of that scenario is.

What you're trying to say is that Dez's going to the ground is equivalent to securing the ball and running 10 yards and it's not. You all know that.

Well, I would say it is a fumble because the ball had been caught and advanced. But with the ruling today, it looks like it could be called an incomplete pass.

 

[illhurtya]

that's what happens when you watch games through rose colored glasses

My glasses a tinted blue with stars on them and I make no apologies for it. But I think you may need glasses if you didn't see Dez making a football move towards the goal line.

 

[Ken]

You are completely missing my point. I didn't say anything about Dez turning off his competitiveness. That catch is beastly whether he scores on it or not.

But if he went down easily....and we failed to score....people would have said that he should have fought harder. I've seen it happen that way many times, he would be damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

This should be a moot point, we should have had the ball at about the 2 after he fought to get it there. No one could have said anything if it was called correctly.

 

[percyhoward]

Who was Dez tripped by ? Is he's tripped by the defender, isn't this the same as being tackled therefore Dez should have been down by contact, end of play. Cowboys ball at the 1 yd line. Why else would the ref have blow the play dead and spotted the ball at the one.

He was tripped by Shields, it should have been considered a tackle, and that's probably exactly how the official on the field saw it too.