CFZ The case for a RB high in the draft

[GMO415]

We should steal Robinson from the iggles like they did us with Goddard.

 

[T-RO]

It's nice to see so many fans finally understanding the concept of positional value--which comes from analytics.

However, even the analytics folks are saying: Don't push the concept too far. PFF, one of the biggest proponents of positional value, now ranks Bijan in the top 10 of their board, and Gibbs in the top 35.

A key reason is that these two backs offer a lot in the passing game. Both as receivers, and Bijan as a trusted pass protector. They are also special playmakers who grade well above the pack.

 

[J12B]

Counterpoint.

That 2014 all pro and single season cowboys record holder was a 3rd round pick who was running behind an elite line.

Draft a guard. Make the OL dominant again and let pollard and a mid round pick carve up defenses behind them.

Very true.

And Murray was not the same runner when he played for the Eagles and Titans (one good year with the Titans).

Although I wouldn't mind Gibbs (or Bijon obvisously) at 26 and an OL at 58 or 90. If only the Cowboys Oline coaching staff could have developed a player or 2 besides Steele over the last 3 seasons.

But I'll be happy with Chabornet at 58 or Bigsby /Miller at 90 also.

 

[CCBoy]

A center or a guard helps us. Biadasz is a FA next year and is exactly the type of player you move on from. He’s developed into a solid player but you don’t give solid players second contracts unless you have no choice. We don’t have a guard so obviously we need on because the vet we signed should be depth. Both guard and center looks like will have goid options at 26 and some that can play both

To be smart here, why not handle this year's guard and next year's tackle demands with OT Darnell Wright. Then provide a cheap backup at guard this season and real competition for center next season with

Wisconsin OL Joe Tippmann in round 2.​

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The Cowboys have never accomplished much running the offense through the QB, they have run it through the RB throughout their history with HOF RB's.

In 2016 and 2014, they ran it through the RB and got homefield. Coincidentally, the RB's made All Pro both seasons.

There are two RB's worthy of 1st round picks and the Cowboys need to land one of them because that is the immediate impact player out of this draft.

This is not a future pick, it is a pick for now because the NFC is there for the taking but they need to have a run control the game offense.

And Pollard is not that RB. Robinson or Gibbs are better backs and that's the easiest transition position next to PK in the league.

I've wavered between OL and DL but can't see them taking a DT in the 1st anyway, just not sexy enough and I considered WR and TE but I have settled on one of these two RB's and run the offense through them. Can't give the QB any better help than that.

Thanks for the mood for thought and seeing both sides of the question.
Good chap and fellow horsemen, anyone who would burn a No. 1 on a RB is rude and Fred to me.
For gods' sake good chaps all, let us be focused on the D and O lines!
Because even the already coronated Bijan canna run behind a faulty line.
And if we miss out on Bijan, is Gibbs suddenly important enough to burn a No. 1?

No, me good dudes, DL and OL will win us a Lombardini! In the long run.
What is afoot? Jerald wants a Gil-Brandt-announces-Dorsett moment with Bijan as a surprise.
But if we have a brave front office then it will do what is best for the team, not the best for marketing.
Blimey, act like gridiron pigskins, lads!

 

[garyv]

The Cowboys have never accomplished much running the offense through the QB, they have run it through the RB throughout their history with HOF RB's.

In 2016 and 2014, they ran it through the RB and got homefield. Coincidentally, the RB's made All Pro both seasons.

There are two RB's worthy of 1st round picks and the Cowboys need to land one of them because that is the immediate impact player out of this draft.

This is not a future pick, it is a pick for now because the NFC is there for the taking but they need to have a run control the game offense.

And Pollard is not that RB. Robinson or Gibbs are better backs and that's the easiest transition position next to PK in the league.

I've wavered between OL and DL but can't see them taking a DT in the 1st anyway, just not sexy enough and I considered WR and TE but I have settled on one of these two RB's and run the offense through them. Can't give the QB any better help than that.

For me the first two rounds should be OL and DL it wouldn't hurt my feelings if the first two picks were O'Cyrus Torrence and Steve Avila now thats a nice OL coupled with Tyler Smith for years. Third round through seventh round RB, WR, QB, LB, TE

 

[CCBoy]

Bola de pendejos! Lol

Mi Whooore!

 

[DuncanIso]

A center or a guard helps us. Biadasz is a FA next year and is exactly the type of player you move on from. He’s developed into a solid player but you don’t give solid players second contracts unless you have no choice. We don’t have a guard so obviously we need on because the vet we signed should be depth. Both guard and center looks like will have goid options at 26 and some that can play both

Why the Biadasz hate?
#ProBowl

 

[quickccc]

Sounds like a good guy to take over for Pollard in 2024.

The RB/WR hybrid isn't a bell cow, but he could be something better - a full-time player, run or pass, who makes our offense a threat to run or pass on every down.

So why are trying to take over Pollard, when we already have the same type RB, who is now a full time starter ... now reknown as a pro bowler and one of the most explosive
backs in the entire NFL now.?

That all purpose RB/WR hybrid is Pollard.
The big difference imo, is how Kellen either refused or did not have a clue to scheme or develop him into a RB/WR hybrid

 

[DuncanIso]

So why are trying to take over Pollard, when we already have the same type RB, who is now a full time starter ... now reknown as a pro bowler and one of the most explosive
backs in the entire NFL now.?

That all purpose RB/WR hybrid is Pollard.
The big difference imo, is how Kellen either refused or did not have a clue to scheme or develop him into a RB/WR hybrid

He wrecked his leg.

It will heal, but that 4.52 speed is gone.

Will be shocked if Dallas offers a long term deal before the deadline.

 

[conner01]

Why the Biadasz hate?
#ProBowl

No hate at all
He’s developed into a solid player but he’s not an elite player and that’s the guys you churn. Everyone on the oline can’t be on second contracts.

 

[Sydla]

All that being said, I'd take one of the TBs at 26 over some of the WRs people are talking about like Hyatt.

 

[OmerV]

Ah yes, grab another RB that will burn out in 2 years and then overpay them because we want to recreate the 90s. Some of you would be just as bad as Jerry and Stephen.

A good O or D lineman is more valuable than a great RB in this league.

9 of the top 10 RB's last year (by yardage) were in at least their 4th year in the NFL

 

[CCBoy]

Let's be honest about the Eagles now. With their 10 pick they should take Robinson. Then with their 30 pick, take the very best offensive guard available.

Putting together the very best offensive line in the NFC and having their running game almost unstoppable makes them completely unstoppable with their present quarterback.

The entire remainder of the draft can even go defense.

Dynasty there, fellows...

 

[CATCH17]

All that being said, I'd take one of the TBs at 26 over some of the WRs people are talking about like Hyatt.

I’d rather have Mingo over most of these wideouts and he goes around later supposedly.

 

[JBS]

The teams that are run first aren’t winning championships these days. The teams with the top three rushers all missed the playoffs last season. You win with the passing game, you have to be able to score points. If Robinson is sitting there at 26 and Dalton Kincaid is off the board then we have to take Robinson. You can’t pass up a top five talent at number 26 especially when we have a need at RB.

The eaglea just went to the Super Bowl bc of their ground game

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

It's nice to see so many fans finally understanding the concept of positional value--which comes from analytics.

However, even the analytics folks are saying: Don't push the concept too far. PFF, one of the biggest proponents of positional value, now ranks Bijan in the top 10 of their board, and Gibbs in the top 35.

A key reason is that these two backs offer a lot in the passing game. Both as receivers, and Bijan as a trusted pass protector. They are also special playmakers who grade well above the pack.

Oh no. We'll use Bijan to "fix" the o line like we did zeke.

 

[KJJ]

The eaglea just went to the Super Bowl bc of their ground game

If you read my post, I said the teams that are winning championships these days aren’t run first teams and the Eagles didn’t win the Super Bowl. They got beat by a team that has a great passing QB who got the better of them in the second half. Philly got to the Super Bowl because their QB had an MVP type season and they were a complete team. The Eagles ground game ranked 15th last year and the Cowboys ranked 13th. The Bears had the number two rushing offence last season and didn’t even make the playoffs. The Browns rushing offense was in the top five and they didn’t make the playoffs.

 

[JBS]

If you read my post, I said the teams that are winning championships these days aren’t run first teams and the Eagles didn’t win the Super Bowl. They got beat by a team that has a great passing QB who got the better of them in the second half. Philly got to the Super Bowl because their QB had an MVP type season and they were a complete team. The Eagles ground game ranked 15th last year and the Cowboys ranked 13th. The Bears had the number two rushing offence last season and didn’t even make the playoffs. The Browns rushing offense was in the top five and they didn’t make the playoffs.

Yes. The eagles lost the SB bc they aren’t a passing team. Lolol. Blah blah blah. Nonsense.

 

[Big_D]

Here's a rough estimate for any trade up scenarios from 26 ..


1st and a 4th - 24

1st and a 3rd - 21

1st and 2nd - 16