CFZ The case for a RB high in the draft

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Agree with all that but we also needs playmakers.

After we lost to San Fran everyone knew once Pollard went out that the only guy capable of big plays was Lamb.

You don't have to draft RBs in first round. We were supposed to be two deep at RB. Our mistake was thinking Zeke was effective. Else losing Pollard wouldn't have been as big a deal. We can get an effective playmaker outside of first round.

 

[CATCH17]

You don't have to draft RBs in first round. We were supposed to be two deep at RB. Our mistake was thinking Zeke was effective. Else losing Pollard wouldn't have been as big a deal. We can get an effective playmaker outside of first round.

I completely agree.

But we seem to be cool with taking Mayer in round 1 and TEs taken high usually bust, the best are usually found later on, and it’s not a position of high value.

I don’t think there is a player in this draft that will be available to us that can impact the game like Jahmyr Gibbs can.

Our offense needs more speed. Gibbs is electric.

If the Cowboys had a brain at all he would be more of an Offensive weapon than just a pure RB. I feel like he could easily play WR.

 

[CouchCoach]

You don't have to draft RBs in first round. We were supposed to be two deep at RB. Our mistake was thinking Zeke was effective. Else losing Pollard wouldn't have been as big a deal. We can get an effective playmaker outside of first round.

Playmaker? Yes Difference maker? Not so sure about that.

There are just a handful of RB's that can alter the DC's gameplan.

While I agree, in principle, with building the OL that takes time and I think the window is open now and the right RB can help them get through it.

I do not care about 2024 or beyond, I only care about this upcoming season and getting the most immediate impact player in that 1st round and trading up if necessary to get him.

I look at all of these players entering the draft and ask myself which ones can provide that immediate impact and Robinson and Gibbs top that list with 3rd place a sizable drop.

I also do not care about the RB beyond the 4 year contract because I would never give a RB a 2nd contract. I would get a new one at least every 3 years and if there was that I thought extra special, go high to get him.

This stuff about it's all on the passers and RB's do not matter might be true for some teams that have that design but a team that can run the ball can always be in the game.

The Cowboys offense and QB needs more weapons.

 

[big dog cowboy]

After we lost to San Fran everyone knew once Pollard went out that the only guy capable of big plays was Lamb.

Losing Pollard isn't the reason we lost to SF.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I completely agree.

But we seem to be cool with taking Mayer in round 1 and TEs taken high usually bust, the best are usually found later on, and it’s not a position of high value.

I don’t think there is a player in this draft that will be available to us that can impact the game like Jahmyr Gibbs can.

Our offense needs more speed. Gibbs is electric.

If the Cowboys had a brain at all he would be more of an Offensive weapon than just a pure RB. I feel like he could easily play WR.

This year seemingly is deeper in TE and RB so waiting until later rounds would be wise. DT and OL is not as deep so if a good one is available earlier you have to take them. Even if they maybe slight reach since waiting you end up with nothing good.

I am.just generally opposed to taking RBs in the first round. Specially one that's 190.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Playmaker? Yes Difference maker? Not so sure about that.

There are just a handful of RB's that can alter the DC's gameplan.

While I agree, in principle, with building the OL that takes time and I think the window is open now and the right RB can help them get through it.

I do not care about 2024 or beyond, I only care about this upcoming season and getting the most immediate impact player in that 1st round and trading up if necessary to get him.

I look at all of these players entering the draft and ask myself which ones can provide that immediate impact and Robinson and Gibbs top that list with 3rd place a sizable drop.

I also do not care about the RB beyond the 4 year contract because I would never give a RB a 2nd contract. I would get a new one at least every 3 years and if there was that I thought extra special, go high to get him.

This stuff about it's all on the passers and RB's do not matter might be true for some teams that have that design but a team that can run the ball can always be in the game.

The Cowboys offense and QB needs more weapons.

I didn't say don't draft a RB. I just disagree with taking one in the first round. Specially a 190 lb back who won't be able to carry the team outside of a game here or game there. Without the OL the RB won't be as effective neither. You want a scat back for some special plays you have in mind, look into middle rounds.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You don't have to draft RBs in first round. We were supposed to be two deep at RB. Our mistake was thinking Zeke was effective. Else losing Pollard wouldn't have been as big a deal. We can get an effective playmaker outside of first round.

"Our mistake" was using him incorrectly...making him play hurt. Not fixing the o-line and making HIM help fix it. Hiring a baby OC who doesn't know how to design, call, scheme NFL run game.

Major mistake was such a huge contract. A nice resign bonus for being rushing champ 3 times in a row would have been a better option.

(go ahead....ask me about the 3 times in a row stuff!)

 

[CouchCoach]

I completely agree.

But we seem to be cool with taking Mayer in round 1 and TEs taken high usually bust, the best are usually found later on, and it’s not a position of high value.

I don’t think there is a player in this draft that will be available to us that can impact the game like Jahmyr Gibbs can.

Our offense needs more speed. Gibbs is electric.

If the Cowboys had a brain at all he would be more of an Offensive weapon than just a pure RB. I feel like he could easily play WR.

The new play caller for the Cowboys likes to use his RB's as receivers more than a lot of the play callers.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Losing Pollard isn't the reason we lost to SF.

THANK YOU for being brave enough to say it.

 

[CATCH17]

"Our mistake" was using him incorrectly...making him play hurt. Not fixing the o-line and making HIM help fix it. Hiring a baby OC who doesn't know how to design, call, scheme NFL run game.

Major mistake was such a huge contract. A nice resign bonus for being rushing champ 3 times in a row would have been a better option.

(go ahead....ask me about the 3 times in a row stuff!)

Pollard had no trouble running behind our broken Oline.

 

[doomsday9084]

Losing Pollard isn't the reason we lost to SF

The score was 6-6 and Dallas was driving for the lead on the SF 25 when Pollard got hurt. Prescott threw an INT shortly after and the offense was completely inept the rest of the game (1 FG was after a TO).

Its hard to gage the butterfly effect of that injury but it sure didn't help. I wouldn't guarantee anything but if Pollard doesn't get hurt, Dallas might have won.

 

[CouchCoach]

I didn't say don't draft a RB. I just disagree with taking one in the first round. Specially a 190 lb back who won't be able to carry the team outside of a game here or game there. Without the OL the RB won't be as effective neither. You want a scat back for some special plays you have in mind, look into middle rounds.

Nope, nope, nope, want me one of them two RB's and the only way to get one of them is in the 1st and maybe by trading up.

There are not any RB's that can carry a team for long, they all get injured from the contact. The battering wore Elliott down.

I certainly appreciate what you are saying and if the circumstances of where this team is in relationship to the NFC were different, I would feel the same as you do.

This is what I call going all in except they do it in the draft.

The Greatest Show on Turf wasn't because of the OC, it was those weapons and mainly that dual threat RB. He made Bruce and Holt better. I think one of these two backs could do the same for the Cowboys tandem. I do not see another back in this draft that could do that.

 

[CATCH17]

The score was 6-6 and Dallas was driving for the lead on the SF 25 when Pollard got hurt. Prescott threw an INT shortly after and the offense was completely inept the rest of the game (1 FG was after a TO).

Its hard to gage the butterfly effect of that injury but it sure didn't help. I wouldn't guarantee anything but if Pollard doesn't get hurt, Dallas might have won.

When Pollard went out we had to win the game with Zeke’s legs or Dak’s arm…

Neither was up to it.

Which is why adding a playmaker like Gibbs who you can easily get the ball to when Dak starts to freak out would be so valuable.

 

[Big_D]

"Our mistake" was using him incorrectly...making him play hurt. Not fixing the o-line and making HIM help fix it. Hiring a baby OC who doesn't know how to design, call, scheme NFL run game.

Major mistake was such a huge contract. A nice resign bonus for being rushing champ 3 times in a row would have been a better option.

(go ahead....ask me about the 3 times in a row stuff!)

The major mistake is the team thinking that the 3 time rushing champ was still here while his bloated contract dictated playing time. Hilarious that there are fans out there who still rather operate in the same manner. This was finally a golden opportunity to move on from not only the ridiculous contract but that “superstar” mindset from the front office I told you about last year!

 

[CWR]

Counterpoint.

That 2014 all pro and single season cowboys record holder was a 3rd round pick who was running behind an elite line.

Draft a guard. Make the OL dominant again and let pollard and a mid round pick carve up defenses behind them.

Not necessarily against what you're saying but we know he wasn't a rookie in 2014. He was a 3rd round pick with 2 or 3 years nfl readiness.

 

[doomsday9084]

Pollard had no trouble running behind our broken Oline.

From December on, Pollard had 78 carries for 345 yards or 4.42 per carry
From December on, Elliot had 114 carries for 352 yards or 3.08 per carry

Same line, 50% more yards per carry.

 

[CATCH17]

Nope, nope, nope, want me one of them two RB's and the only way to get one of them is in the 1st and maybe by trading up.

There are not any RB's that can carry a team for long, they all get injured from the contact. The battering wore Elliott down.

I certainly appreciate what you are saying and if the circumstances of where this team is in relationship to the NFC were different, I would feel the same as you do.

This is what I call going all in except they do it in the draft.

The Greatest Show on Turf wasn't because of the OC, it was those weapons and mainly that dual threat RB. He made Bruce and Holt better. I think one of these two backs could do the same for the Cowboys tandem. I do not see another back in this draft that could do that.

If our Oline was bad and we had holes everywhere then yes a RB would be a terrible pick.

Dallas is realistically a Super Bowl contender.

We have an above average roster and the NFC is just wide open due to the lack of elite QBs on the NFC side.

To me we need to draft someone with our pick that teams fear.

We can draft nuts and bolt players the rest of the draft but go get a playmaker with your top
Pick.

Gibbs in Dallas would be electric for the fan base and the offense in general.

 

[CouchCoach]

Pollard had no trouble running behind our broken Oline.

Speed through the hole and the ability to bounce it out and not lose speed drives defenses crazy. Elliott needed wider holes and for them to stay open longer and relied on his power and strength, not speed.

When I look at Gibbs, I see Chris Johnson and while he was a sub 4.3 guy, his speed wore down defenses and he rushed for 2K yards. Gibbs is almost as fast and would just about demand a CB covering him.

 

[CATCH17]

Speed through the hole and the ability to bounce it out and not lose speed drives defenses crazy. Elliott needed wider holes and for them to stay open longer and relied on his power and strength, not speed.

When I look at Gibbs, I see Chris Johnson and while he was a sub 4.3 guy, his speed wore down defenses and he rushed for 2K yards. Gibbs is almost as fast and would just about demand a CB covering him.

Just the fact we can go into a hostile environment and turn around and just hand the ball to someone who can score from anywhere on the field.

If Pollard gets hurt then what?

Dak’s arm isn’t going to get us to where we want to go. Blocking and explosive run game is what we need.

 

[visionary]

The teams that are run first aren’t winning championships these days. The teams with the top three rushers all missed the playoffs last season. You win with the passing game, you have to be able to score points. If Robinson is sitting there at 26 and Dalton Kincaid is off the board then we have to take Robinson. You can’t pass up a top five talent at number 26 especially when we have a need at RB.

LOL

Dak is not Mahomes or Burrow

Philly absolutely is a run first team but they split up the carriers between RBs and their QB picks up a lot of key first downs running

With Dak we are winning absolutely nothing without a top running game