The case for Jabrill Peppers

[Killerinstinct]

I was gonna something similar to this. I was under the impression that he was already playing a safety/linebacker hybrid at Michigan and not a full time linebacker. And i agree he would just be thrown into the box. Not to mention listening to the shows on cowboys.com, they have said before that we are high on Kavon Frazier as the future at SS. Easy to see why. Has church skill set and Wilcox athleticism.

He's clearly a top talent and if he falls to 28 we would be lucky. There are some questions about his fit at safety which is why he might drop but he is a dynamic player that would be a great add.

BTW he was the big 10 defensive player of the year and finished 3rd nationally behind Allen and Garrett. So much for not making plays defensively.

 

[The Realist]

He would be a great pick. D lacks playmakers on all 3 levels. Playing 11 positions he was a jack of all trades master of none. Put him at SS and let him master it. Elite athleticism for that position.

 

[RandyOh]

He's clearly a top talent and if he falls to 28 we would be lucky. There are some questions about his fit at safety which is why he might drop but he is a dynamic player that would be a great add.

BTW he was the big 10 defensive player of the year and finished 3rd nationally behind Allen and Garrett. So much for not making plays defensively.

If he is the talent you feel he is then he won't make it all the way to 28 in the 1st place. If he does then their may be a reason why (either talent wise or off field wise) he fell so far.

I never questioned that he wasn't a playmaker. I said i thought he was already playing in a SS/LB hybrid role already at Michigan and not soley a LB like some are saying in here. But you have your doubts he would be a fit at safety? We have one of the most basic and straight forward defensive schemes in the League. what are we gonna do with a "safety" that cant play safety in our scheme? I think hes talented but i hope someone else takes him before our pick so that hopefully a player who does fit what we need falls to us. This is my opinion on the matter.

 

[Killerinstinct]

If he is the talent you feel he is then he won't make it all the way to 28 in the 1st place. If he does then their may be a reason why (either talent wise or off field wise) he fell so far.

I never questioned that he wasn't a playmaker. I said i thought he was already playing in a SS/LB hybrid role already at Michigan and not soley a LB like some are saying in here. But you have your doubts he would be a fit at safety? We have one of the most basic and straight forward defensive schemes in the League. what are we gonna do with a "safety" that cant play safety in our scheme? I think hes talented but i hope someone else takes him before our pick so that hopefully a player who does fit what we need falls to us. This is my opinion on the matter.

He probably wont make it to 28 but there is a chance he will. If we have 15 players with 1st rd grades he would likely be one of them. If he is there at 28 it will be because he wasn't playing safety and he is too small to play LB. I think he can play safety and he would likely end up being a very good one. If he is there at 28 he will likely be the highest rated player on our board and probably the only one left with a 1st rd grade.

I never said you questioned that he wasn't a playmaker. That was someone else. That someone else said it was beyond argument.

There is talented and then there is the rare talent where things seem to happen on the field in slow motion for a player. He is one of those special players. I doubt he lasts til 28 but if he did, I think he could be a real difference maker and probably our only chance to land a special player at 28 other than the possibility of Tim Williams who has some serious question marks.

 

[tm1119]

It's really not an arguable fact?

"He didn't make plays on defense in college"

Enough said. Now that I know what level of football intelligence I am dealing with there is no reason for me to continue discussing this with you.

No, when he didn't actually record INT's, FF's or sacks it's not arguable. Keep letting the ESPN hype machine think for you though...

 

[RandyOh]

He probably wont make it to 28 but there is a chance he will. If we have 15 players with 1st rd grades he would likely be one of them. If he is there at 28 it will be because he wasn't playing safety and he is too small to play LB. I think he can play safety and he would likely end up being a very good one. If he is there at 28 he will likely be the highest rated player on our board and probably the only one left with a 1st rd grade.

I never said you questioned that he wasn't a playmaker. That was someone else. That someone else said it was beyond argument.

There is talented and then there is the rare talent where things seem to happen on the field in slow motion for a player. He is one of those special players. I doubt he lasts til 28 but if he did, I think he could be a real difference maker and probably our only chance to land a special player at 28 other than the possibility of Tim Williams who has some serious question marks.

I think hes perfect size for safety at 6'1 205. If he slips that far then hes more workout warrior then football player. But their are a few teams ahead of us that may snatch him up like Tampa Bay or Washington if he is the real deal.

 

[Killerinstinct]

No, when he didn't actually record INT's, FF's or sacks it's not arguable. Keep letting the ESPN hype machine think for you though...

WOW! Big 10 defensive player of the year that never makes plays. 3rd place nationally behind Allen and Garrett, 2 top 3 players on most boards.

He sure hoodwinked a lot of people. I only wonder what he would have done if he came back for his junior and senior years.

 

[Killerinstinct]

I think hes perfect size for safety at 6'1 205. If he slips that far then hes more workout warrior then football player. But their are a few teams ahead of us that may snatch him up like Tampa Bay or Washington if he is the real deal.

Yeah he is probably a workout warrior. Got it. lmao

 

[darthseinfeld]

Was a bit overhyped, but thats not really his fault.

I would be ecstatic with him at #28. With Smith, Lee and Peppers going over the middle on our defense would be very risky. Dont know of he will be a turnover machine in the NFL, but he will be a defender OC's need to gameplan for and one QBs and WRs need to be aware of

 

[Rockdoc]

BPA
if he is and he's there. no brainer
he will find a position

 

[RandyOh]

Yeah he is probably a workout warrior. Got it. lmao

So you say hes a top talent but then try to justify for why he could possibly be at our pick then laugh at a reason for why he would slip when i go off of ur words that he may not have the skill for safety but hes a superior gifted athlete. Great logic their pal.

 

[tm1119]

WOW! Big 10 defensive player of the year that never makes plays. 3rd place nationally behind Allen and Garrett, 2 top 3 players on most boards.

He sure hoodwinked a lot of people. I only wonder what he would have done if he came back for his junior and senior years.

5th in the heisman AND Big 10 player of the year!! Gee Golly let's trade our whole draft for him!!!


Carl Nassib was 2015 Big 10 player of the year with 19.5 TFL and 15.5 sacks and the same # of INT's as Peppers...he went in the 3rd round.
Chris Borland, John Simon, Devon Still, Greg Jones...all also recent Big 10 DPOY. It means literally nothing

 

[darthseinfeld]

I'm in......doubt he falls to us

Would agree, but this maybe historically strong safety class. Peppers would be a top 15 pick many drafts but he may be the 4th safety off the board.

He has potential the be that " value " guy at 28

 

[Killerinstinct]

5th in the heisman AND Big 10 player of the year!! Gee Golly let's trade our whole draft for him!!!


Carl Nassib was 2015 Big 10 player of the year with 19.5 TFL and 15.5 sacks and the same # of INT's as Peppers...he went in the 3rd round.
Chris Borland, John Simon, Devon Still, Greg Jones...all also recent Big 10 DPOY. It means literally nothing

It might mean that they made some plays in college? You think? That was the point right? I mean you did say it was beyond argument that Peppers did not make plays or did I read it wrong?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Ramsey had a 'lack of takeaways' in college because teams didn't dare throw his way. He got drafted by the Jaguars and he shutdown everybody he faced, was the best rookie corner in the league and a top-5 corner in his first year. He also had 2 INT"s this year (one for a TD) when nobody would throw at him. So much for that 'he can't make INT's' nonsense.

I like Peppers a lot, but I doubt he falls to us. I think he's going to tear it up on the combine and somebody will pick him. I worry about his instincts only because he hasn't played safety a lot. We have a need at DE, but we really need to continue to find the BPA. If we can't find that DE, then the offense or the linebackers or the DT's or the DB's need to step up. That, in the end, will beat out taking a DE that is clearly the inferior player and hoping it works out.




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[waving monkey]

why would he fall to 28th?

 

[KingintheNorth]

If we (mistakenly) sit out free agency, I could see a small move up to get Peppers. He's a name and will get Jerry his much-desired buzz.

Oh by the way, he's a good football player. He's a Pro Bowl caliber return man at worse. I think he'll show his athleticism and talent once he settles down on one position. I think he'll be a better version of Byron Jones.

 

[Derinyar]

why would he fall to 28th?

Because if you don't have a very specific idea of what you're going to do with him he's hard to slot into a specific role. He's flat out too small, with the numbers out there, for LB in the NFL. Low 200's doesn't bode well for a LB. His coverage skills haven't be evident, according to things I've read/heard, to make you feel very comfortable with him being a S. So it feels like you're having to have a hybrid role for him, that will make your defense significantly smaller but significantly faster possibly. So if your team doesn't have a great idea of a specific use for him I could see him being further down the board for you because you don't take a player in the 1st that you don't quite know what you're going to do with. if you have an idea of how to fit him into your scheme or alter your scheme to take advantage of his abilities while limiting his liabilities then he's higher up the board for you.

 

[stilltheguru88]

If you want an elite athlete take the guy in my avi.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I am not advocating for this but I wouldn't consider it devastating if it happened and I can see some reasoning behind it.

We know how the war room slots players into specific rounds and I have a feeling Jabrill Peppers might be the only player left that the team has a 1st rd grade on. Maybe Tim Williams drops as well but he is a different set of problems and one we may not want to repeat.

Jabrill Is a very smart player. He played 11 different positions and knew the playbook inside and out fully understanding the responsibilities of each position.

He is also a supremely gifted athlete. Coming out of high school he was the highest rated cornerback in the country and had his pick of where to go to college.

He is a playmaker and he could fill multiple roles.

I would play him at Safety but I would also occasionally get him involved in the offense. I would line him up at RB, H-back, and WR. Any way to create mis-matches and he would have to be accounted for anytime he is on the field and teams would have to game plan for him.

I would also use him as a KR in special situations. Not every time but kind of like we have done with Dez in the past. When we need a big return plug him in.

On defense he is a little raw at the safety position but I bet it wouldn't take long for him to get it down. He makes plays and that is what we need. Another playmaker.

Right off the bat he would make plays in multiple situations and he could grow to become that Darren Woodson type of safety we have long wanted.

I would love to see this guy flying around the field and he would be an exciting player to have.

He would fit right in with the new era of fun players like Dak and Zeke. He has that infectious attitude and he has that "it" factor.

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I'm in......doubt he falls to us

How would you guys stack the Safeties in this draft. Hooker and Adams are the clear cut top two. Baker seems to be picking up steam as the #3, although him and Peppers are completely different players so that may have no real relevance