The case for Jabrill Peppers

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I am not advocating for this but I wouldn't consider it devastating if it happened and I can see some reasoning behind it.

We know how the war room slots players into specific rounds and I have a feeling Jabrill Peppers might be the only player left that the team has a 1st rd grade on. Maybe Tim Williams drops as well but he is a different set of problems and one we may not want to repeat.

Jabrill Is a very smart player. He played 11 different positions and knew the playbook inside and out fully understanding the responsibilities of each position.

He is also a supremely gifted athlete. Coming out of high school he was the highest rated cornerback in the country and had his pick of where to go to college.

He is a playmaker and he could fill multiple roles.

I would play him at Safety but I would also occasionally get him involved in the offense. I would line him up at RB, H-back, and WR. Any way to create mis-matches and he would have to be accounted for anytime he is on the field and teams would have to game plan for him.

I would also use him as a KR in special situations. Not every time but kind of like we have done with Dez in the past. When we need a big return plug him in.

On defense he is a little raw at the safety position but I bet it wouldn't take long for him to get it down. He makes plays and that is what we need. Another playmaker.

Right off the bat he would make plays in multiple situations and he could grow to become that Darren Woodson type of safety we have long wanted.

I would love to see this guy flying around the field and he would be an exciting player to have.

He would fit right in with the new era of fun players like Dak and Zeke. He has that infectious attitude and he has that "it" factor.

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I am not advocating for this but I wouldn't consider it devastating if it happened and I can see some reasoning behind it.

We know how the war room slots players into specific rounds and I have a feeling Jabrill Peppers might be the only player left that the team has a 1st rd grade on. Maybe Tim Williams drops as well but he is a different set of problems and one we may not want to repeat.

Jabrill Is a very smart player. He played 11 different positions and knew the playbook inside and out fully understanding the responsibilities of each position.

He is also a supremely gifted athlete. Coming out of high school he was the highest rated cornerback in the country and had his pick of where to go to college.

He is a playmaker and he could fill multiple roles.

I would play him at Safety but I would also occasionally get him involved in the offense. I would line him up at RB, H-back, and WR. Any way to create mis-matches and he would have to be accounted for anytime he is on the field and teams would have to game plan for him.

I would also use him as a KR in special situations. Not every time but kind of like we have done with Dez in the past. When we need a big return plug him in.

On defense he is a little raw at the safety position but I bet it wouldn't take long for him to get it down. He makes plays and that is what we need. Another playmaker.

Right off the bat he would make plays in multiple situations and he could grow to become that Darren Woodson type of safety we have long wanted.

I would love to see this guy flying around the field and he would be an exciting player to have.

He would fit right in with the new era of fun players like Dak and Zeke. He has that infectious attitude and he has that "it" factor.

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His lack of takeaways in college says much different
 

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His lack of takeaways in college says much different

Michigan was playing him at LB and he had one more interception than all Cowboys linebackers combined last year.

He also returned a fumble on a two point conversion the other way for a defensive 2 point conversion.

I would like to see what his stats would look like at safety. The added dimension of a safety blitz would help as well. He is a very effective blitzer.
 

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I don't watch Michigan football.
But I noticed some people either love Peppers or some really don't think his game translates to the NFL and don't want him.
 

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I don't watch Michigan football.
But I noticed some people either love Peppers or some really don't think his game translates to the NFL and don't want him.

He's a polarizing prospect because the position he played primarily on defense (LB) in college is likely not what he's gonna play in the NFL. That said, whenever someone brings up his lack of interceptions, run the other way because it tells you they didn't watch him college and the role he was utilized in.
 

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His lack of takeaways in college says much different
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I don't watch Michigan football.
But I noticed some people either love Peppers or some really don't think his game translates to the NFL and don't want him.



And that is the electric defensive back I wanted last year. I was on the Jalen Ramsey train and as much as I love Zeke there is still a part of me that wishes we had drafted Ramsey.
 

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A man cover CB and a roaming LB/S should not have the same amount of takeaways. It's a ridiculous argument. It's comparing apples and oranges.

And forget INT's then. 3.5 sacks and 1 FF to go with that 1 INT in the past 2 seasons. How are those good #'s for a LB or S? If you're going to call him a playmaker there should be evidence. There isn't.

And why would you want to spend a 1st round pick on a guy that would be playing a completely new position in the NFL since he played so little S in college anyway. I'm not saying the kid can't succeed in the NFL, I'm just he makes 0 sense as a 1st round pick for us. At best he's Mark Barron or Deone Buchannon and neither have a spot in the defense we run.
 

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I don't watch Michigan football.
But I noticed some people either love Peppers or some really don't think his game translates to the NFL and don't want him.
I could see him being Roy Williams in his first few NFL years or Roy Williams in his last few NFL years. I have no idea, I just think it will take a team that has a specific plan to use him for him to be successful. I think we would waste his talent honestly.
 

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And that is the electric defensive back I wanted last year. I was on the Jalen Ramsey train and as much as I love Zeke there is still a part of me that wishes we had drafted Ramsey.
I think Zeke was the right pick, but because of the way he was mishandled in the GB loss Ramsey would've been the more effective player.
 

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A man cover CB and a roaming LB/S should not have the same amount of takeaways. It's a ridiculous argument. It's comparing apples and oranges.

And forget INT's then. 3.5 sacks and 1 FF to go with that 1 INT in the past 2 seasons. How are those good #'s for a LB or S? If you're going to call him a playmaker there should be evidence. There isn't.

And why would you want to spend a 1st round pick on a guy that would be playing a completely new position in the NFL since he played so little S in college anyway. I'm not saying the kid can't succeed in the NFL, I'm just he makes 0 sense as a 1st round pick for us. At best he's Mark Barron or Deone Buchannon and neither have a spot in the defense we run.



He's definitely a playmaker. Just watch the video posted and keep in mind that is for one year. He may have only had 3 1/2 sacks but there must have been 10 plays in there where he forced quickly thrown incomplete passes on blitzes. His closing speed is tremendous and he is a pretty big hitter for a guy his size. He is fast too. One of the fastest players in Ncaa. Speed isn't everything but he puts it too good use. Look at all those tackles behind the LOS. Not to mention the contributions to the offense and special teams. The guy is a demon. There is a reason why he was 5th in heisman voting. It was the playmaking ability.
 

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I live in Toronto so all Michigan games are televised… he played more at safety than at Linebacker this year. Not sure what games the people who say he was played strictly at LB are watching. I do not see him having more of an impact than Church or Wilcox so i'd stay away
 

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He's definitely a playmaker. Just watch the video posted and keep in mind that is for one year. He may have only had 3 1/2 sacks but there must have been 10 plays in there where he forced quickly thrown incomplete passes on blitzes. His closing speed is tremendous and he is a pretty big hitter for a guy his size. He is fast too. One of the fastest players in Ncaa. Speed isn't everything but he puts it too good use. Look at all those tackles behind the LOS. Not to mention the contributions to the offense and special teams. The guy is a demon. There is a reason why he was 5th in heisman voting. It was the playmaking ability.

-Everyone makes plays in highlight videos. Blitzing off the edge unblocked and making a tackle isn't all that impressive. #'s don't lie, it's really not an arguable fact that he didn't make plays on defense in college.
-he won't play offense so don't care
-5th in heisman voting as validation he can play safety well in the NFL? really? Are you the type that still thinks Tebow can still play QB by chance?
 

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A man cover CB and a roaming LB/S should not have the same amount of takeaways. It's a ridiculous argument. It's comparing apples and oranges.

And forget INT's then. 3.5 sacks and 1 FF to go with that 1 INT in the past 2 seasons. How are those good #'s for a LB or S? If you're going to call him a playmaker there should be evidence. There isn't.

And why would you want to spend a 1st round pick on a guy that would be playing a completely new position in the NFL since he played so little S in college anyway. I'm not saying the kid can't succeed in the NFL, I'm just he makes 0 sense as a 1st round pick for us. At best he's Mark Barron or Deone Buchannon and neither have a spot in the defense we run.

You're trying rewrite history. Jalen Ramsey played much of his career as the hybrid "Star" linebacker position for the Seminoles which impacted his overall coverage statistics. Just as folks are doing with Ramsey last year they are doing with Peppers this year; looking at stat sheet and drawing conclusions without the context of understanding how he was used.

You also convienently glossed over Peppers' 13 TFLs he rallied last season in his LB role.
 

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-Everyone makes plays in highlight videos. Blitzing off the edge unblocked and making a tackle isn't all that impressive. #'s don't lie, it's really not an arguable fact that he didn't make plays on defense in college.
-he won't play offense so don't care
-5th in heisman voting as validation he can play safety well in the NFL? really? Are you the type that still thinks Tebow can still play QB by chance?

It's really not an arguable fact?

"He didn't make plays on defense in college"

Enough said. Now that I know what level of football intelligence I am dealing with there is no reason for me to continue discussing this with you.
 

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I live in Toronto so all Michigan games are televised… he played more at safety than at Linebacker this year. Not sure what games the people who say he was played strictly at LB are watching. I do not see him having more of an impact than Church or Wilcox so i'd stay away
I was gonna something similar to this. I was under the impression that he was already playing a safety/linebacker hybrid at Michigan and not a full time linebacker. And i agree he would just be thrown into the box. Not to mention listening to the shows on cowboys.com, they have said before that we are high on Kavon Frazier as the future at SS. Easy to see why. Has church skill set and Wilcox athleticism.
 

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Guys we are picking 28th, you can argue he isn't a first round talent but you really can't argue that he isn't a top second round talent and there is a pretty good chance that we are going to be picking from that list anyway. I think we had 17 first round grades this past draft, there really isn't a whole lot of QB talent or OL talent in this draft which means we will be fighting over the same guys everyone else wants, I don't see anyone falling to us that is a no brainier. I personally would love to add this guy to the team. I'm on record as wanting anyone from Michigan, Ohio state, and Alabama with a third round grade or better.
 
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