CFZ The Cowboys and Complimentary Football

[kskboys]

According to a USA Today article earlier this year, OL is the most likely position for success in round one with an overall success rate of over 70%. Hitting on a DT in round one is about 40%

Heres the article: https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2024...rates-from-the-best-centers-to-the-worst-wrs/

Yup, so we just quit, or don't even try. Before Mazi, who according to many was not a 1st round talent.(I happen to agree).

 

[Bobhaze]

Yup, so we just quit, or don't even try. Before Mazi, who according to many was not a 1st round talent.(I happen to agree).

It appears our front office loves the first round OL. Since 2011, here are the first round picks we’ve had:

• 2011- Tyron Smith- OT
• 2012- Mo Claiborne- CB (traded up to get him)
• 2013- Travis Frederick- C
• 2014- Zack Martin- G
• 2015- Byron Jones- CB
• 2016- Ezekiel Elliott- RB
• 2017- Taco Charlotte- DE
• 2018- Leighton Vander Esch- LB
• 2019- No first round pick (took DL Trysten Hill in round 2)
• 2020- Cedee Lamb- WR
• 2021- Micah Parsons- LB
• 2022- Tyler Smith- T/G
• 2023- Mazi Smith- DT
• 2024- Tyler Guyton- OT

So starting with the Tyron Smith draft in 2011, the Cowboys have selected these positions:

• OL- 5 first round picks
• CB- 2 first round picks
• LB- 2 first round picks
• DL- 2 first round picks (One was Taco, a DE, the other Mazi a NT)
• WR- 1 first round oick
• RB - 1 first round pick.

 

[JoeKing]

What a dumbed-down thread! Explaining basic football concepts is not why any of us come here. We know football, Bob. Talking to us like we are kindergarteners just learning something is extremely insulting!

 

[Captain43Crash]

This isn't to say that the Chiefs lacked defensive talent on the field, but man, Steve Spagnuolo is an outstanding defensive coordinator.

Steve Spagnola is their secret weapon!
Best DC in Football beside Belichick. I want Belichick as my HC with Spagnola as my DC.

 

[Blackrain]

I think complimentary football starts with the players you draft someone has to search the psych and the mindset of these players and find unselfish guys that want to help their teammates win a super bowl guys like Tom Brady.

If you have a bunch of guys that just care about pumping up their stats so they can score the big contract they're not guys who are going to go out and walk through the fire for their teammates and lift them up when times are tough.

You flat out need the best coach money can buy and there's no cap on coaching so acquiring the absolute best staff is key you can't have a soft coach that doesn't hold people accountable is lacks on discipline and lets you be the most penalized team in the league.
Lastly you can bench race it circle the wagons all you want try and create gimmicks but in the end to be successful in playoff football you have to be able to run the ball and stop the other team from running the ball.

All the teams are good in the playoffs if you don't make a full board commitment to having a running game and stopping the run you will end up embarrassed like we do every year.

 

[Blackrain]

What a dumbed-down thread! Explaining basic football concepts is not why any of us come here. We know football, Bob. Talking to us like we are kindergarteners just learning something is extremely insulting!

What's insulting is watching our owner and GM not be able to grasp these basic football concepts and put them into play year after year for the last about 30 so we are not embarrassed at the end of every year.

 

[Bobhaze]

I think complimentary football starts with the players you draft someone has to search the psych and the mindset of these players and find unselfish guys that want to help their teammates win a super bowl guys like Tom Brady.

If you have a bunch of guys that just care about pumping up their stats so they can score the big contract they're not guys who are going to go out and walk through the fire for their teammates and lift them up when times are tough.

You flat out need the best coach money can buy and there's no cap on coaching so acquiring the absolute best staff is key you can't have a soft coach that doesn't hold people accountable is lacks on discipline and lets you be the most penalized team in the league.
Lastly you can bench race it circle the wagons all you want try and create gimmicks but in the end to be successful in playoff football you have to be able to run the ball and stop the other team from running the ball.

All the teams are good in the playoffs if you don't make a full board commitment to having a running game and stopping the run you will end up embarrassed like we do every year.

Blackie, that’s an excellent point about the importance of hiring the right coach for this culture. IMO, the best coach for the kind of culture that has been engendered around here for decades is a tough, fundamentally sound coach with great attention to detail and accountability.

In the Jerry era, we’ve had 8 head coaches. Two of them fit the description we need: Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells. Jimmy was a perfect balance for Jerry’s style and three SBs followed. Parcells had the right kind of coaching style but he was undermined by Jerry’s meddling.

Bottom line- We could have had the right kind of head coach here but that’s not what our owner wants. He‘s proven he prefers his own personal comfort with HCs more than getting the right HC.

 

[CCBoy]

Great post.

One if the best ways an offense can help a defense is to have a running game. The two best teams we’ve had in the last decade - 2014 and 2016 - both had outstanding running games. The 2014 team’s running game is what kept an average defense off the field. This front office never seems to learn this.

The team tends to go for early prominent players that are front contract heavy. Today's drafts are just too complex to annually hit upon Pro Bowl players in execution. This is cap management friendly but not team core strengths in hard core players that have the team binding elements to fight it through the demands for continued intensity to allow them to bring into play game changes that takes advantage of game changing variables.

Against strong opponents there just aren't many beginnings that hold up starts are mainly opportunistic in nature.

Tough wears out quickly without strength and just youth.

 

[CCBoy]

The team tends to go for early prominent players that are front contract heavy. Today's drafts are just too complex to annually hit upon Pro Bowl players in execution. This is cap management friendly but not team core strengths in hard core players that have the team binding elements to fight it through the demands for continued intensity to allow them to bring into play game changes that takes advantage of game changing variables.

Against strong opponents there just aren't many beginnings that hold up starts are mainly opportunistic in nature.

Tough wears out quickly without strength and just youth.

This is directed towards the numbers game in a specific draft. Too much team cohesion is dependent upon inexperienced unanchored by being forged in fire.

 

[MyFairLady]

When you have a stud MVP candidate QB who is gonna break all the records you ride him till the wheels fall off.

 

[gtb1943]

I think this team does not change until the culture changes. Discipline and being hard is what wins Championships.
We are soft; the penalties in number is not a big issue it is when they happen.
That is a sign of soft and lack of discipline
The players that keep making mistakes never seem to pay for them
this team is always looking for excuses when they are losing
this garbage after the GB game about them being tired is just the latest sign of that

we need a hard core football coach who is allowed to truly discipline the team to change all of this; a BP or BB or someone like them
The chances of Jethro doing this are slim and none

 

[gtb1943]

When you have a stud MVP candidate QB who is gonna break all the records you ride him till the wheels fall off.

and if you do and he does not step up when it matters, you get rid of him and move on

 

[zrinkill]

and if you do and he does not step up when it matters, you get rid of him and move on

This

 

[Chasing6]

Apparently there are multiple definitions of the term “complimentary football”. For purposes of this discussion, I’m going to define CF as the ability of the three phases of the team - offense, defense and STs - to help each other to do whatever it takes to win football games.

Here are some examples of what I mean:

• If your offense is stalled early in the game and cannot move the ball, the defense must step up their game to keep the the opposing offense from scoring, getting a turnover or at least holding them to FGs.
• If the defense is playing well early, it should inspire the other two phases to play well.
• If the offense takes the opening kickoff and scores a TD, the defense can compliment that by forcing a punt from the opponent.
• If the offense is struggling, STs can step up and make plays on punt coverage, cause a TO or even make a long FG to give the team momentum when most needed.

A great example of complimentary football was provided in last year’s SB:

• The chiefs 5 possessions in the first half were - punt, punt, punt, fumble then a FG at end of the half.
• The chiefs defense stepped up. Despite getting gashed early by the niners offense, the chiefs D kept them in the game by forcing an early fumble and holding the niners to only 10 points, giving Mahomes and the chiefs offense time to get it together.
• In the second half the chiefs offense outscored the niners 22-12.
• Without that defensive performance, the chiefs don’t win the SB.

The Cowboys had 6 losses last season including the playoff embarrassment to the pack, and in 4 of those losses, the games got out of hand early because none of the three phases could help the other to get out of their funk. In the packer game, GB took the opening KO and drove 75 yards in 12 plays. The Cowboys offense responded with a three and out. Then after forcing a packers punt, Dak threw a pick, and it’s 14-0. The offense HAD to respond. They punted.

In the second half, the Cowboys first possession resulted in a FG making it 27-10. The pack then went 75 yards in 5 plays to make it 34-10. That was a classic case of all phases of a team failing. Dak was awful. The defense was awful. STs did nothing special. No complimentary football.

The screams for a new HC, a new QB, upgrades at certain other positions won’t matter if this team cannot get better at complimentary football.

I don't believe the Cowboys and complimentary football belong in the same sentence.

 

[fivetwos]

I think this team does not change until the culture changes. Discipline and being hard is what wins Championships.
We are soft; the penalties in number is not a big issue it is when they happen.
That is a sign of soft and lack of discipline
The players that keep making mistakes never seem to pay for them
this team is always looking for excuses when they are losing
this garbage after the GB game about them being tired is just the latest sign of that

we need a hard core football coach who is allowed to truly discipline the team to change all of this; a BP or BB or someone like them
The chances of Jethro doing this are slim and none

Agreed.

I’m not sure it would require the Joneses getting out of the way entirely, but I wouldn’t expect much in the way of playoff success until there’s a head coach that’s clearly the guy in charge. Jerry won’t be letting that happen any time soon.

At this point Im resolved to Jerry insisting on being a celebrity and the face of the franchise until his death. He is gonna play with his toy, continue to fail, ignore criticism and continue to think he is the greatest human on earth.

He will continue to sell it, and threaten to ruin anyone who tries to call him out. It just has to run its course.

I’m not even asking for a winner. I’m just asking for things to be about football again.