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Did you expect them to make the change and excel immediately? If that is your expectation, I should probably stop here...but I won't.

I didn't expect franchise breaking records for the worst defense, loss after leading, and point given up, did you?


To be honest, especially when it comes to injures involving pulled groings/hammies etc, I put that on the player for improper stretching and/or hydration.

So the training staff has no oversight on how the players stretch? Where is the accountability or supervision?

No arguments here. But as I have said times, those issues should be diminished not that he has someone I believe trust the run the offense with little to no interference on his part.

We agree here.


I'd say it's impressive he was able to maintain .500 all things considered. Most team's with that level of rebuild typically are picking in the top 5 the following year.

It is impressive to still remain within one game to advance to the playoffs, but it also equally impressive to lose to every team within your division, consecutively.


Parcell's wouldn't have made the in-game management mistakes Garrett has. Plain and simple. As far as other teams, different players, different coaches, different owner/gm's, different situations. When it comes to making comparison look up the scientific method - to draw conclusions everything must be the same or the data is inconclusive.

Scientifically, every GOOD head coach has shown signs of success. JG hasn't shown squat except a loss to each team within the division. I gave him 3 yrs and last year was the final straw.


I see the good and the bad. You only see the bad. Which one of us is most likely to have a bias and an agenda to push?

I just see the not good enough.

The jury is still out on Claiborne and we haven't even seen what the 2nd and 3rd yielded us with Lawrence. Claiborne was rated as the best defensive player in the draft by not just the Cowboys. Lawrence was considered the 3rd best DE left in this past draft - with the loss of Ware and defensive line with serious issues, the Cowboys may have been handcuffed to that move. Word is, the Cowboys aren't the only ones who had their eye on him in that round.

History has shown that the best personnel evaluators can get it wrong too.
Let's hope that they didn't.
 

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Of what? Jason's contribution to the roster? Felix Jones showed some early promise, but when they asked him to put on weight to become more of an everydown back, he was never the same. Are you suggesting that was all Garrett?

That was his choice IIRC.? A RB that was nothing but a situatiional , part time player drafted with a first round pick. Complete failure and waste of resources.
 

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I didn't expect franchise breaking records for the worst defense, loss after leading, and point given up, did you?
Of course not. I didn't expect them to lose all those players on defense either. That was two issues that had to deal with: the switch from the 34 to the 43 and teaching a bunch of guys they pulled off the street the scheme midseason. I'm sorry, but given the circumstances,their performance was understandable.

So the training staff has no oversight on how the players stretch? Where is the accountability or supervision?

The training staff is there to educate, not manually stretch them. You can lead a horse to water, but unless you can hold it's head under water for over a minute and half, you can't make it drink.


It is impressive to still remain within one game to advance to the playoffs, but it also equally impressive to lose to every team within your division, consecutively.

More of coincidence than impressive..especially considering they were 5 and 6 in their division last year. Much of the end of the season loss was due to Romo not playing, in my opinion.

Scientifically, every GOOD head coach has shown signs of success. JG hasn't shown squat except a loss to each team within the division. I gave him 3 yrs and last year was the final straw.

Given the circumstances, I'm afraid 3 years was not enough. Now I understand there are mistakes Garrett has made that cost them their chance at the playoffs. But if we are being honest with ourselves, there was very little chance of them to get very far in the playoffs, given the talent level this team has had, especially at the end of the last two seasons with several starters out for the season due to injury.

I just see the not good enough.

I certainly see things to be dissappointed in too. Every Cowboy fan does. But despite the millions of dollars these men make for their job, that doesn't make them immune to mistakes. You had patience for 3; I have patience for a conditional 5. This year, given the question marks on defense, I'm not expecting a winning season or playoffs; but I absolutely do expert better in-game management. With the coach staff surrounding Garrett now there is no excuse for failure in this regard. Next year is the year I expect better than 8 - 8. Notcie I'm still not talking playoffs or Super Bowl. The problem is they are still somewhat handicapped by their cap. It's going to be very difficult for the Cowboys to figure out to way to keep Dez, Tyron Smith and Demarco Murray. If they can't due to cap issues, before I set my expectations, I would like to see what they have to work with and then will take it from there. But that's just my approach...I get that it's not for everybody.

History has shown that the best personnel evaluators can get it wrong too.
Let's hope that they didn't.

Completely agree. I'm hoping right along with you.
 

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That was his choice IIRC.? A RB that was nothing but a situatiional , part time player drafted with a first round pick. Complete failure and waste of resources.

Like I said before, I liked Felix Jones - in hindsight there were better choices. But, overall, I've liked are last several drafts since he has taken over. This is almost a completely different team from 3 years ago. This year will hopefully be a good gauge for all three drafts.
 

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Leadership traits, styles, and principals can be learned. Reading reinforces concepts, the real functional part of the art in leadership, is relevant...not fictional selection of mood.

The need for leadership development, and recorded in writings, is so important, that a series of developmental courses and materials is used for the development of all leaders in the Service.

Oh, as to Officers, the Service Academies are a four year start...followed by schools directed at a variety of career developments...and they all deal with leadership of men.

I think the investment by all the Services, reflects the need to learn and reinforce concepts and actions by a reinforcement of all describable elements of those being lead as well as task, condition, and standard for every last thing that they do. That is articulation of leadership, as well as attention to detail necessary to greatly reduce the venues for failure.

Applied, those same leaderships enter into a continual cycle of after action analysis which begins immediately following a battle scene.

If not written, a simple concept of drive through an objective, reconsolidate, and build up for a counter attack...well, would be lost due to a lack of consistent reinforcements. Yea, in writing, and not in a folk song or gossip on the side.

Yea, sure, all those nice courses at the academy, followed by BOLC, CCC, then perhaps ILE are wonderful. You know what ? They mean little when you hit the dirt. Some will perform under stress in combat after all the training and some won't. The difference between those two type of people isn't whether they read Sun Tzu on the weekend. The academy's can't tell you who the performer will be either.

Next, how about applying your vast understanding of MDMP to the present state of the Cowboys. You think Garrett has developed a far reaching organizational plan with course of action built in to deal with multiple possible contingencies ? I don't. I think he is trying just to keep his head above water and lacks the experience to rely on when he doesn't have the text book right in front of him. You are not going to find the answer to all situations in books you carry, something Garrett is learning IMO.
 

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Of course not. I didn't expect them to lose all those players on defense either. That was two issues that had to deal with: the switch from the 34 to the 43 and teaching a bunch of guys they pulled off the street the scheme midseason. I'm sorry, but given the circumstances,their performance was understandable.





The training staff is there to educate, not manually stretch them. You can lead a horse to water, but unless you can hold it's head under water for over a minute and half, you can't make it drink

I'll lump these two together since injuries did affect the defense. Dez Bryant gets one on one stretching with the guru himself Mike Woicik, I get the special treatment but what I don't get is if the players don't know or can't stretch on their own properly why isn't this being addressed? And don't answer with "they installed ballet bars" as the excuse...If the players can't do simple stretches what would lead you to believe that they can achieve winning a super bowl? Its the little things, the details as JG would say but yet you are telling me that the players can't even stretch "the right way".



More of coincidence than impressive..especially considering they were 5 and 6 in their division last year. Much of the end of the season loss was due to Romo not playing, in my opinion.

More like each team is getting better while we continue to wallow in losing. I will say that we have improved our division play but considering how it has ended it's frustrating.


Given the circumstances, I'm afraid 3 years was not enough. Now I understand there are mistakes Garrett has made that cost them their chance at the playoffs. But if we are being honest with ourselves, there was very little chance of them to get very far in the playoffs, given the talent level this team has had, especially at the end of the last two seasons with several starters out for the season due to injury.

It appears that Jerry is doing his job. How much oil did you end up buying?


I certainly see things to be dissappointed in too. Every Cowboy fan does. But despite the millions of dollars these men make for their job, that doesn't make them immune to mistakes. You had patience for 3; I have patience for a conditional 5. This year, given the question marks on defense, I'm not expecting a winning season or playoffs; but I absolutely do expert better in-game management. With the coach staff surrounding Garrett now there is no excuse for failure in this regard. Next year is the year I expect better than 8 - 8. Notcie I'm still not talking playoffs or Super Bowl. The problem is they are still somewhat handicapped by their cap. It's going to be very difficult for the Cowboys to figure out to way to keep Dez, Tyron Smith and Demarco Murray. If they can't due to cap issues, before I set my expectations, I would like to see what they have to work with and then will take it from there. But that's just my approach...I get that it's not for everybody.



Completely agree. I'm hoping right along with you.

And with future contracts on the horizon, we could end up in cap hell again if they pay for potential. A great GM and front office ownership can maximize the value of draft picks and put a winning franchise on the field. This combination can't, and they've given away valued picks in the process for players that haven't proven anything on the field.

I wish Jones could truly step away but he's got his mind set to prove everyone wrong with his trainee JG and the fanbase gets to suffer as the result. Jerry can talk all he wants about winning, but his actions say more than he can sell to the fan base.

This franchise once used to be a proud one with it's fan base but now we've evolved into a laughing stock. I absolutely hate it.

Two years ago I told my brother in law we'd find a way to lose against the Commanders, and sure enough guess what happened?
 

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I'll lump these two together since injuries did affect the defense. Dez Bryant gets one on one stretching with the guru himself Mike Woicik, I get the special treatment but what I don't get is if the players don't know or can't stretch on their own properly why isn't this being addressed? And don't answer with "they installed ballet bars" as the excuse...If the players can't do simple stretches what would lead you to believe that they can achieve winning a super bowl? Its the little things, the details as JG would say but yet you are telling me that the players can't even stretch "the right way".

That was the point of me saying "you can lead a horse to water...;" I'm sure it is addressed but that doesn't mean the players have been doing it. Now, your retaliation is probably going to be something like, 'part of the job for Jason Garrett is making sure his players are prepared' to which I would reply, that's why they installed the ballet bars.

More like each team is getting better while we continue to wallow in losing. I will say that we have improved our division play but considering how it has ended it's frustrating.

Bitter much? I keed, I keed. As far as the NFCE, that may be the one way the Cowboys could slide in to the playoffs this year - the interdivision competition seems to be neck and neck at this point - though, I would watch out for the Commanders this year - if last year was a sophmore slump for RGIII and Desean Jackson returns to form, the Cowboys could be in trouble facing them.

It appears that Jerry is doing his job. How much oil did you end up buying?

Right now I can only care about the job Jerry has done this offseason and from me he get's a conditoinal passing grade. I like the contracts he handed out - the question at this point is the talent level, which we won't know until regular season.

And with future contracts on the horizon, we could end up in cap hell again if they pay for potential. A great GM and front office ownership can maximize the value of draft picks and put a winning franchise on the field. This combination can't, and they've given away valued picks in the process for players that haven't proven anything on the field.

The Cowboys are going to pay for past stupidity for awhile and I can't imagine they are going to let Dez or Tyron Smith go, so your right - cap hell could be right around the corner - but much of that will clear up 2016 and 2017 when the last batch of veterans they let go fall off.

I wish Jones could truly step away but he's got his mind set to prove everyone wrong with his trainee JG and the fanbase gets to suffer as the result. Jerry can talk all he wants about winning, but his actions say more than he can sell to the fan base.

Suffer? A bit strong. It ain't that serious. But your right, Jerry has an ego problem. Having said that, I think, though I could be wrong, that he starting to finally understand how to build a good team. First rule, you can't do it in one offseason. Second rule, if you have been ignoring the first rule for the last 20 years, it will take longer than 3 years.

This franchise once used to be a proud one with it's fan base but now we've evolved into a laughing stock. I absolutely hate it.

Laughing stock? Somewhat deserved considering Jerry ignoring rule #1 for so long. But I don't really care if people laugh. I was raised loving this team. At this point in my life, I really don't feel like I have a choice in it anymore -I'll be a Cowboys fan until I die. The other part of it is, being America's Team fans either love them or they hate them as a general rule, which gives certain people more fuel to laugh. But a little tip: The more people laugh the less they know about football.

Two years ago I told my brother in law we'd find a way to lose against the Commanders, and sure enough guess what happened?

I said the same thing, but for different reasons. RGIII being hometown hero at Baylor was my favorite player in college. I knew he was dangerous and was sick when I found out the Commanders traded up to get him. And I wouldn't rule him out as being dangerous again this year.
 

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Yea, sure, all those nice courses at the academy, followed by BOLC, CCC, then perhaps ILE are wonderful. You know what ? They mean little when you hit the dirt. Some will perform under stress in combat after all the training and some won't. The difference between those two type of people isn't whether they read Sun Tzu on the weekend. The academy's can't tell you who the performer will be either.

Next, how about applying your vast understanding of MDMP to the present state of the Cowboys. You think Garrett has developed a far reaching organizational plan with course of action built in to deal with multiple possible contingencies ? I don't. I think he is trying just to keep his head above water and lacks the experience to rely on when he doesn't have the text book right in front of him. You are not going to find the answer to all situations in books you carry, something Garrett is learning IMO.

First off, boot soldier whether in the bush or in a garrison, have to soldier. Plain and simple. Although action does and can dominate an undisciplined soldier, it is organization in the mental process that still dominates exchanges.

Know why Vietnamese military actions weren't as effective as the American engagements? The simple reason is they attempted to defeat actions individually, as you just explained...instead of learning and attacking the principles of war behind them.

Don't kid yourself, being able to see through immediate fierceness of an engagement, is still the way a leader achieves success through that conflict. That does NOT come through a series of personal experiences, no matter how the nervous system is keyed up.

You still can't dumb your way through things, and that is why coming out of Viet Nam, it took us a full decade to instill an educational discipline and weed out all those that ONLY wanted to go to the bush and kill. Plain and simply.

Folklores and balads don't replace organizationl efficiency or insight gained through study. Film study is as important in player technique and assisting that player to see through action before his own eyes, and anticipate, what boils down to organized actions by an opposing player as well.

You can take the Audey Murphy version of reactions, but he had a very strong foundation in attention to detail. That only is reinforced with scrutiny and study.

As to leaders in the field for Officers, the higher percentage of achieved ranks go to this very sector of the Corp, and from the Academies. Not due to written on paper, but intensive study.

One can formulate beligerance, but he can also have his heels locked too.

I'll just stick with Jason Garrett's organizational skills and the basis of a strong education when he came out of college. He got good organizational as well leadership schooling from his family as well.

Oh, and it is PNCOC, BNCOC, ANCOC, and then Sergeant Majors Academy in the Army...

and a basal tone may come a large upper body mass, or just an agitated reference point.
 

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Oh, and it is PNCOC, BNCOC, ANCOC, and then Sergeant Majors Academy in the Army...

Ummm, no, it isn't, but I'll let you work this one out.

I'll just stick with Jason Garrett's organizational skills and the basis of a strong education when he came out of college. He got good organizational as well leadership schooling from his family as well.

Good luck with that.
 

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Ummm, no, it isn't, but I'll let you work this one out.



Good luck with that.

PNCOC...is the lower level...as if you knew. And a teenie bop agenda doesn't change that. It is for the low end NCO, and establishes the principals of leadership. It shows resolution directions and leadership styles. It's like someone comes in and stabs you a couple of times, like the norm of much social imput by you type of guys...what are you going to do? You going to let it bleed, or are you going to go for a solution and stitch it back up?

You don't just go through a log drill in PT or schedule time in the computer generated systems to eliminate an attitude or lack of discipline.

BNCOC...is for weapon system based training. It gives a soldier reinforcement on leadership, and if a tanker, tank related courses to make him fully operational in the desert. This gives needed perspectives, on how to integrate a lower level crew unit, in both directional imput, but fully integrated in a unit level function. Kind of like a linebacker group, offensive linemen, and secondary for a defensive unit on a team. Each has an integrated function, and if there isn't integrated play...you get your butt kicked in an engagement. Same with football...if young players, which today's NFL requires large turn overs, don't see an integrated function with positional groups, then they are exploited. This doesn't only mean to a lousy coach, but good ones as well.

ANCOC...is an advanced school for Senior NCO's. This provides much more advanced knowledge upon weapon systems, foreign make up/inventories/weapon systems/and methods of applications. You learn full integration of multi-fire units and how to address contingency of applications. This is where the developing soldier learns to take his soldiers to war, AND bring them back alive.

Naw, book learning isn't important...and John Wayne is the movie version of reality?

No, this, in a restaurant, is where your bar tender drinks with his customers, floor personnel amusement themselves, and the cooks put out bland food, only costing a restaurant a $1 million dollars a year and puts it on the market for someone to swoop it up and implement a system that does address directional imput as well as MAKE decisions on personnel interactions and technique of operations. Again, the book side of leadership learning. Books after all, aren't all drama or science fiction in nature. Some are observations of successful organization that has put been put into words and then on paper. Still, a communication flow.

Next, is Sergeant Majors Academy, which is by the way, located at Fort Bliss, Tx. It is located in the desert, and one can find a rattler there almost daily. Know what? That boot soldier still does his own latrine daily. This while learning integrated activities on an even higher level of function. He learns fine detail interaction requirements to keep larger organizational entities fully integrated and self-supporting. This is all about leadership as well as soldier development to fully utilize what is now an expensive progression to keep that soldier continually developing/acquiring skills necessary for his own level of function/and giving career anchoring skills as well.

The Army is the oldest functional organizational unit in the Federal Government. Beyond the Services, your 'boots, is the Post Office.

Both are fully integrated services that operate on principals of personnel and standards progressing to sustainable and successful production levels as well. Good and reinforcing elements of these two organization work best, when developing elements are well watered, and don't become privilege or power acquiring processes.

Guess what, football is the same kind of animal.

The Cowboys have a Head Coach with great organizational abilities. He waters the whole player. His coaching staff has very strong leadership abilities for a NFL football team. They all operate and function on the level of experience and knowledge, that a soldier would acquire at the ANCOC level of military training. Cross comparisons easily arrived at. They provide support for all the integrated positional demands that a team has within it's scheme and style of play.

Guess what also, the Coordinators have a similar function as does the CSM, who has been schooled at Fort Bliss.

If they don't retain organizational effectiveness, then just at the Command levels of Battalion/Squadron or Regimental/Brigade levels, they are replaced.

That happened with Bill Callahan as it did with Rob Ryan. It probably had something to do with the new position for Monte Kiffin as well.

This being a reflection of good organizational principals at work, and with Jason Garrett pulling the switches on those high level positions as well. The thing here, although, both Callahan and Kiffin still have leadership developmental talents, and were redirected as to role within organization.

The organization deficiency areas have come under control...and during the head coaching period of Jason Garrett. He and Stephen have forged a system of cap management that both is currently functional as well as strongly projects forward.

Roster development has reached point of both youth, and developing quality through recent drafts. NFL experience is being maintained with journeymen who have a drive to arrive at starting levels...and leave the check books almost fully operational as well.

A fully functional system is once again in place...and that does not depend upon folklore or a burn barrel buddy routine replete with tar buckets, mops, and feathers as well.

With boots, the moto is forged in fire, came out steel, applies in football a well. One has to develop up the players in an optimum way. This Jason Garrett does and with perspective of a family that has been in the business for over two generations now.

Well school and experience coaches, that function on the level of schooled NCO's, and in much the same functional level, are in place. This is a very functional organization now...and nothing to take for granted. Ask any team's coaching staff that will be a Dallas Cowboys' opponent this upcoming season, and ask them if this group is mislead or a pushover.

A fan should be able to grasp this as well. But not using studying and organization review...is instead, foolish and irresponsible.

Don't kid yourself, it doesn't take losing $1 million on too many restaurants, before a person, even Jerry Jones, realizes the fallacy and stupidity in not maintaining standards as well as developing strong leadership groups to grow a team...continualy. That takes the Turk making visits during camp, and Jason Garrett keeping a ringer on the pulse to see that all systems are alive.

Without this leadership development, and at quicker rates than general schools in service, a league of Josh Gordons, that are believing tools acquired off the block are adequate and self supporting as well.

Sorry, I like Jason Garrett a lot...and if he can maintain the role of a General, he will be evaluated and replaced...but that just isn't the picture in view now.
 

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This is the description of current NCO development/leadership training for the Army at present:


The Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES) is the keystone for NCO development. The NCOES provides leader and MOS skill training in an integrated system of resident training at four levels (primary, basic, advanced, and senior).

The four week, non-MOS specific Warrior Leader Course (WLC) is conducted at sixteen Noncommissioned Officer Academies (NCOA) worldwide.

Combat Arms (CA) /Combat Support (CS) /Combat Service Support (CSS) ALC is conducted at proponent service schools. Successful completion of ALC is a prerequisite to be considered for promotion to sergeant first class. Training lengths vary from two to nineteen weeks, with attendance currently aligned with Unit Focus Stabilization, Units of Action, and Brigade Combat Teams with average of nine weeks. A distance learning common core course, designed by the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy, supplements leadership training received at WLC. ALC is centrally funded by the Department of the Army. Priority for ALC is for SSG by date of rank and then SGT (P) by promotion points as Soldiers compete against their peers for a seat in ALC. Soldiers attending ALC can be scheduled via an automated system called the BNCOC Automated Reservation System (BARS). Please see our BARS article for a better clarification of its procedures. Commanders have the option of canceling the HRC nomination if the Soldier is unqualified. If the commander cancels the nomination, HRC will then select a replacement.

Soldiers who attend the Senior Leaders Course (SLC) are selected by the Department of the Army SFC/Senior Leader Course Selection Board. The zone of consideration is announced by HRC before each board convenes. An NCO must be an SLC graduate to be considered for promotion to MSG. All Soldiers selected for promotion to SFC who have not previously attended SLC are automatic selectees. All SFCs with a date of rank of 1 April 1981 or later must successfully complete SLC in order to be considered for promotion to MSG. Scheduling is done by the Military Schools Branch who can answer any questions. Priority for SLC attendance is SFC and SSG(P) who have not attended.

The U.S. Army Sergeants Major Course (USASMC) is the only senior level NCOES course and the capstone of NCO education. The USASMC is a ten month resident course conducted at Fort Bliss, TX. Selected individuals may complete USASMC by corresponding studies. Attendance to resident or non-resident training is determined by a Department of the Army Selection Board. Soldiers selected will attend the next resident USASMC. Soldiers may be deferred for compassionate or medical reasons, but they may not decline once selected.



Oh, that still retains the overall function of the four levels of leadership/MOS related progressions and application.

Leadership Training
 

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Yea, sure, all those nice courses at the academy, followed by BOLC, CCC, then perhaps ILE are wonderful. You know what ? They mean little when you hit the dirt. Some will perform under stress in combat after all the training and some won't. The difference between those two type of people isn't whether they read Sun Tzu on the weekend. The academy's can't tell you who the performer will be either.

Next, how about applying your vast understanding of MDMP to the present state of the Cowboys. You think Garrett has developed a far reaching organizational plan with course of action built in to deal with multiple possible contingencies ? I don't. I think he is trying just to keep his head above water and lacks the experience to rely on when he doesn't have the text book right in front of him. You are not going to find the answer to all situations in books you carry, something Garrett is learning IMO.

Take that attitude and self serving view onto the block, and one would come back without pants, jacket, and Jordans.

Now, just where does one think the collegiate players come from?

Next, compare the franchise to an organization flow chart that first has established a set of fuctional criteria for each position. Not the same type of a hocus pocus.

Street views just don't cut it when more is on the line and in the NFL.

One flies as far and strongly as the strength of his knowledge...but when one has his nose pointed skyward, he often drowns with a really strong storm.

I'll side with Garrett, and not the gang.
 

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Take that attitude and self serving view onto the block, and one would come back without pants, jacket, and Jordans.

Now, just where does one think the collegiate players come from?

Next, compare the franchise to an organization flow chart that first has established a set of fuctional criteria for each position. Not the same type of a hocus pocus.

Street views just don't cut it when more is on the line and in the NFL.

One flies as far and strongly as the strength of his knowledge...but when one has his nose pointed skyward, he often drowns with a really strong storm.

I'll side with Garrett, and not the gang.

Serious question. Do you filter all your posts through a Chinese Fortune Cookie ?
 

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Serious question. Do you filter all your posts through a Chinese Fortune Cookie ?

You picked the wrong day to try and attempt a hit and run war...carry on, hallway monitor type.

You failed the simple logic test, why don't you try comparing SAT scores next...and see if spell checks increases your score.

Oh, and the early Greek philosphers were also gay by social practice. You might check in with DMN's own Cowlishaw.

Better yet, check in with two felons driving around with two guns...carrying on with your on topic revelations.
 
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