The Defecation Hits the Oscillation Situations

[Lonestar94]

That's a winning record, if you're counting. Which leads me to suspect winning isn't the only thing that matters in this case.

A winning record that's not good enough to make the playoffs.

 

[Idgit]

A winning record that's not good enough to make the playoffs.

No worries. So it's winning plus making playoffs we're talking about, then.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Man ......what?
I'm Not even a Garre-
actually who cares what I am. This thread isn't about me.

Does Anyone have football reasons to be more excited for the teams results to be better than in years past?

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Yes, it absolutely is. But does that mean we cannot admit that there are certain positives that have resulted from him being Head Coach? Please do yourself a favor and look at the roster when he took over and the roster now. It should be clear to you that this team has rebuilt and that it is slowly but surely setting itself up for being a contender. If you refuse to see that, I will have to feel sorry for the hope-devoid fanship you are leading.

???
We have like 3 starters on d

 

[jobberone]

Man ......what?
I'm Not even a Garre-
actually who cares what I am. This thread isn't about me.

Does Anyone have football reasons to be more excited for the teams results to be better than in years past?

Multiple people over multiple threads have made good arguments to that point so no need to go over them again. Why ask when you don't care what the answer is?

 

[birdwells1]

That's a winning record, if you're counting. Which leads me to suspect winning isn't the only thing that matters in this case.

Wow.

 

[jday]

???
We have like 3 starters on d

And we have potential starters everywhere else. I dont think we can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have definite holes everywhere else on defense.

 

[jday]

Would Felix Jones be a good example?

Of what? Jason's contribution to the roster? Felix Jones showed some early promise, but when they asked him to put on weight to become more of an everydown back, he was never the same. Are you suggesting that was all Garrett?

 

[jday]

Man ......what?
I'm Not even a Garre-
actually who cares what I am. This thread isn't about me.

Does Anyone have football reasons to be more excited for the teams results to be better than in years past?

Actually, there are plenty -

That offense could be very, very good, particularly with the addition of Zach Martin and Linehan over the offseason. Tony Romo, Dez Bryant, Demarco Murray, and Jason Witten are one the best combinations of QB, WR, RB, TE that you will find in the league. Behind them is a lot of really good potential, especially with Linehan running the show. Consider: Last year Linehan coached for the Lions: Megatron and Bush spearheaded his attack. I see Dunbar/Beasley as Bush-like players with good overall quickness and lateral speed. I think we will see alot of screens/bubble screen and just a variety of different plays designed to get our RB's/WR's the ball in space so they can create. And Dez has Megatron like ability; I honestly believe this could be a great year for Dez as a result; Linehan will figure out a way to ensure he get's the ball in hands regardless of the coverage like they did with Megatron. The offensive line is younger and more athletic then when Garrett took over and can handle down field blocking better.

The defense could be good, but we are going to have to see if many of those injury red flags can actually stay healthy; admittedly, that's a big question. I personally haven't completley given up on Carter, Claiborne, Wilcox, or Crawford to be very good starters, though I understand why patience is running out for many. Church has been moved to SS, which is a much more natural position for him, run-stopping being his strong suit. From what I understand, Marinelli intends to run alot more man defense for the corners, which supposedly plays to their strong suit; I have my own questions about that last point, simply because I honestly don't trust Carr as the #1 - here's hoping he proves me wrong. This offseason I feel the Cowboys did an excellent job of creating depth and competition at just about every position. The loss of Sean Lee clearly threw a wrench in the machine, but it is good it happened when it did - this gives the Cowboys the opportunity to adjust accordingly. They brought in Rolando McClain in hopes that he can somehow return to the player he was coming out of college. It will be an uphill battle doubt, but his talent as a player has never been a question. Add to that you never really know what you have with the host of rookies and UDFA's and I honestly believe there is reason for hope...just not certainty.

With two great coordinators running the show on offense and defense, Garrett only has to focus on the in-game management and should be better by merit of reduced workload. Last year, Garrett simply did not trust Callahan to run the offense; I think it will be different with Linehan. There is alot of potential greatness all over the roster on both sides of the ball; it's up to the coaches now to exercise that potential and, once again, with two proven coordinators who have shown in their past NFL stops that they know how to fit their scheme to their players and get the most out of them, we could very well see improvement across the board.

I completely get not wanting to set yourself up for disappointment; given the amount of questions particularly looming over the defense, it could very well still be a mess...especially with the loss of Ware and Hatcher, who contributed half of the team's sacks last year. I'm not really looking at this next season as the season they should be considered serious contenders and I'm okay with that; for me, with one more round of Free Agency and draft we could see the best Dallas Cowboys team since the 90's dynasty. I don't watch the Dallas Cowboys with the belief that they have to make it to the playoffs for it to be worth my time. But as jobberone pointed out, at this point, we willl have to wait and see.

 

[Bluestang]

Yes, it absolutely is. But does that mean we cannot admit that there are certain positives that have resulted from him being Head Coach? Please do yourself a favor and look at the roster when he took over and the roster now. It should be clear to you that this team has rebuilt and that it is slowly but surely setting itself up for being a contender. If you refuse to see that, I will have to feel sorry for the hope-devoid fanship you are leading.

Let's see:
Chged the defensive scheme for backwards results

Has had more injuries in back to back seasons after swapping out trainers

Has made costly game mngmt decisions costing us a game or two in consecutive seasons

The fact is that in the 3 yrs JG has been coach, despite the constant roster churn and getting younger the results have been mediocre. Now the tune has changed to it's going to take more time.

Parcells did more with less and we've seen other coaches turn franchises around in less time.

How you can still convince yourselves that we are franchise on the upward swing after the results of JG tenure is confusing to me.

We still are trading high round picks to get players we covet and in the process reducing the amount of talent we bring in. The scouting has changed philosophy multiple times.

I could keep going but my phone is terrible to type on.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm not defending Garrett. I'm poking holes in the logic of CL. So there are no numbers to crunch. If you actually read my post without injecting 'my defending' Garrett into it, you'll see the final summary is we will have to wait and see what plays out on grass.

How did you poke holes in anything? You just gave the usual, "I see what's being built here" with no evidence. Like MB said, I'd like to see some actual objective evidence.

Idgit mentioned Percy's Romo posts... In those cases, Percy presents actual measurable evidence regarding Tony's performance: His QB rating in the fourth quarter, his QB rating in losses, how poorly his defense has played, etc. With Garrett we have almost nothing supporting him so people resort to hopes and mirages.

As far as actual performance, we have have 17-20 in his last 37 games, franchise record number of large fourth quarter leads blown, an offense that in 2012 couldn't score over 10 points in the first half until week 15, repeated game management mistakes, an offense that has never ranked as high as the one he took over in 2006 or his first year in 2007 (when he had Sparano helping), etc.

But all those numbers are supposed to be overcome by these nebulous intangibles like "I like how he represents the team" or "He seeks help from other sources" or "He has a plan." It's absurd.

 

[jobberone]

Speaking of numerous numbers and variables. I think my friend Chocolate Lab was referring to hot takes like this...




theres not any numerous numbers in there . Just meaningless words.

So if I know anything about chocolate lab, he-
1. Would like more substance in a defense of Garrett post
2. Wants evidence things are Getting better
3. Likes him some cornbread

You mean you think they are just meaningless words. Are these the numbers for which you want evidence for? "There are numbers here who base their opinions on looking objectively at the numerous variables that go into making up a football team".

Don't think you really mean for me to provide stats for that statement do you?

Here's a tart. Most everyone thinks the OL is getting better. You can look the actual numbers up online. It's not hard at all.

 

[jobberone]

How did you poke holes in anything? You just gave the usual, "I see what's being built here" with no evidence. Like MB said, I'd like to see some actual objective evidence.

Idgit mentioned Percy's Romo posts... In those cases, Percy presents actual measurable evidence regarding Tony's performance: His QB rating in the fourth quarter, his QB rating in losses, how poorly his defense has played, etc. With Garrett we have almost nothing supporting him so people resort to hopes and mirages.

As far as actual performance, we have have 17-20 in his last 37 games, franchise record number of large fourth quarter leads blown, an offense that in 2012 couldn't score over 10 points in the first half until week 15, repeated game management mistakes, an offense that has never ranked as high as the one he took over in 2006 or his first year in 2007 (when he had Sparano helping), etc.

But all those numbers are supposed to be overcome by these nebulous intangibles like "I like how he represents the team" or "He seeks help from other sources" or "He has a plan." It's absurd.

The point about the latter is he has educated himself in what makes an organization successful as well as the individual. I'm sorry you think that is absurd but seeking out people like Mike Krzyzewski, Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and the like is a huge plus in my eyes. You can't read yourself into being a leader but you can make yourself a better one by following certain principles. There is a lot of required reading for people in programs say like Harvard Business and MBA which are used all over the world.

I've thrown lots of numbers out there but I don't do it as much anymore as people see what they want in them. There's no need for me to throw the same numbers out there over and over. Besides @percyhoward and @xwalker do a great job.

There are no numbers to look at in discerning whether someone is a good leader or not. You're right in part of the puzzle is 'the proof is in the pudding'. But there is so much more to look at if you have the training and eye for it. My son is educated in fine teas. He gives me some expensive fine tea and I nod yes its wonderful. I can't taste the intricacies required to be a connoisseur. While I like some I often just prefer cold lipton tea. IOWs, I don't know what I don't know. Do you understand?

Without spending a lot more time on this most of it was directed at your logic. You and others can have the last word.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Actually, there are plenty -

That offense could be very, very good, particularly with the addition of Zach Martin and Linehan over the offseason. Tony Romo, Dez Bryant, Demarco Murray, and Jason Witten are one the best combinations of QB, WR, RB, TE that you will find in the league. Behind them is a lot of really good potential, especially with Linehan running the show. Consider: Last year Linehan coached for the Lions: Megatron and Bush spearheaded his attack. I see Dunbar/Beasley as Bush-like players with good overall quickness and lateral speed. I think we will see alot of screens/bubble screen and just a variety of different plays designed to get our RB's/WR's the ball in space so they can create. And Dez has Megatron like ability; I honestly believe this could be a great year for Dez as a result; Linehan will figure out a way to ensure he get's the ball in hands regardless of the coverage like they did with Megatron. The offensive line is younger and more athletic then when Garrett took over and can handle down field blocking better.

The defense could be good, but we are going to have to see if many of those injury red flags can actually stay healthy; admittedly, that's a big question. I personally haven't completley given up on Carter, Claiborne, Wilcox, or Crawford to be very good starters, though I understand why patience is running out for many. Church has been moved to SS, which is a much more natural position for him, run-stopping being his strong suit. From what I understand, Marinelli intends to run alot more man defense for the corners, which supposedly plays to their strong suit; I have my own questions about that last point, simply because I honestly don't trust Carr as the #1 - here's hoping he proves me wrong. This offseason I feel the Cowboys did an excellent job of creating depth and competition at just about every position. The loss of Sean Lee clearly threw a wrench in the machine, but it is good it happened when it did - this gives the Cowboys the opportunity to adjust accordingly. They brought in Rolando McClain in hopes that he can somehow return to the player he was coming out of college. It will be an uphill battle doubt, but his talent as a player has never been a question. Add to that you never really know what you have with the host of rookies and UDFA's and I honestly believe there is reason for hope...just not certainty.

With two great coordinators running the show on offense and defense, Garrett only has to focus on the in-game management and should be better by merit of reduced workload. Last year, Garrett simply did not trust Callahan to run the offense; I think it will be different with Linehan. There is alot of potential greatness all over the roster on both sides of the ball; it's up to the coaches now to exercise that potential and, once again, with two proven coordinators who have shown in their past NFL stops that they know how to fit their scheme to their players and get the most out of them, we could very well see improvement across the board.

I completely get not wanting to set yourself up for disappointment; given the amount of questions particularly looming over the defense, it could very well still be a mess...especially with the loss of Ware and Hatcher, who contributed half of the team's sacks last year. I'm not really looking at this next season as the season they should be considered serious contenders and I'm okay with that; for me, with one more round of Free Agency and draft we could see the best Dallas Cowboys team since the 90's dynasty. I don't watch the Dallas Cowboys with the belief that they have to make it to the playoffs for it to be worth my time. But as jobberone pointed out, at this point, we willl have to wait and see.

Yea true I do like Beasley. no reason he can't have an Antonio brown like season .

I just think sometimes it's always like "new coach x is so much better woot!" ya know?

Lawrence is more important than linehan. He's a fresh body. Of which we need more of. Even just having back the traded away claireborne and Lawrence picks so the D would have more fresh young bodies. But as it stands now it's really as barren a defense as it gets. Barely any young players with pedigree. Or excitement to them...

So it's another year of fun shoot outs ;p

 

[Trajan]

The point about the latter is he has educated himself in what makes an organization successful as well as the individual. I'm sorry you think that is absurd but seeking out people like Mike Krzyzewski, Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and the like is a huge plus in my eyes. You can't read yourself into being a leader but you can make yourself a better one by following certain principles. There is a lot of required reading for people in programs say like Harvard Business and MBA which are used all over the world.

I've thrown lots of numbers out there but I don't do it as much anymore as people see what they want in them. There's no need for me to throw the same numbers out there over and over. Besides @percyhoward and @xwalker do a great job.

There are no numbers to look at in discerning whether someone is a good leader or not. You're right in part of the puzzle is 'the proof is in the pudding'. But there is so much more to look at if you have the training and eye for it. My son is educated in fine teas. He gives me some expensive fine tea and I nod yes its wonderful. I can't taste the intricacies required to be a connoisseur. While I like some I often just prefer cold lipton tea. IOWs, I don't know what I don't know. Do you understand?

Without spending a lot more time on this most of it was directed at your logic. You and others can have the last word.

It is nice that Garrett reads books on leadership, that he talks to real leaders, but if reading books made someone competent to lead than everyone buying these books would be winning Superbowls. There is a vast gap between reading, learning / understanding leadership and the implementation when at the crisis point. So far, I have been unimpressed with Garrett in his use of the vast knowledge he read about. Garrett's "locking" up during crucial points of a game shows me he doesn't yet have the experience or ability to overcome his fear during the point of maximum stress. It really is not a knock on him, most people can't do it. Some people just can't react when the pressure becomes too much. Standing in front of 100,000 people with millions more watching at home would rattle most, I know it would shake me and I have some intense leadership training. Anyway, intelligence can only get you so far, mastering yourself gets you further, and Garrett seems yet a mere student in this regard. I never liked his signing, too immature and unseasoned for the role of HC in such a dysfunctional organization.

 

[CCBoy]

It is nice that Garrett reads books on leadership, that he talks to real leaders, but if reading books made someone competent to lead than everyone buying these books would be winning Superbowls. There is a vast gap between reading, learning / understanding leadership and the implementation when at the crisis point. So far, I have been unimpressed with Garrett in his use of the vast knowledge he read about. Garrett's "locking" up during crucial points of a game shows me he doesn't yet have the experience or ability to overcome his fear during the point of maximum stress. It really is not a knock on him, most people can't do it. Some people just can't react when the pressure becomes too much. Standing in front of 100,000 people with millions more watching at home would rattle most, I know it would shake me and I have some intense leadership training. Anyway, intelligence can only get you so far, mastering yourself gets you further, and Garrett seems yet a mere student in this regard. I never liked his signing, too immature and unseasoned for the role of HC in such a dysfunctional organization.

Leadership traits, styles, and principals can be learned. Reading reinforces concepts, the real functional part of the art in leadership, is relevant...not fictional selection of mood.

The need for leadership development, and recorded in writings, is so important, that a series of developmental courses and materials is used for the development of all leaders in the Service.

Oh, as to Officers, the Service Academies are a four year start...followed by schools directed at a variety of career developments...and they all deal with leadership of men.

I think the investment by all the Services, reflects the need to learn and reinforce concepts and actions by a reinforcement of all describable elements of those being lead as well as task, condition, and standard for every last thing that they do. That is articulation of leadership, as well as attention to detail necessary to greatly reduce the venues for failure.

Applied, those same leaderships enter into a continual cycle of after action analysis which begins immediately following a battle scene.

If not written, a simple concept of drive through an objective, reconsolidate, and build up for a counter attack...well, would be lost due to a lack of consistent reinforcements. Yea, in writing, and not in a folk song or gossip on the side.

 

[CyberB0b]

Remove Romo and Garrett is Campo.

Could you imagine this defense with a guy like Chad Hutchinson or Quincy Carter? Good god.

 

[jobberone]

It is nice that Garrett reads books on leadership, that he talks to real leaders, but if reading books made someone competent to lead than everyone buying these books would be winning Superbowls. There is a vast gap between reading, learning / understanding leadership and the implementation when at the crisis point. So far, I have been unimpressed with Garrett in his use of the vast knowledge he read about. Garrett's "locking" up during crucial points of a game shows me he doesn't yet have the experience or ability to overcome his fear during the point of maximum stress. It really is not a knock on him, most people can't do it. Some people just can't react when the pressure becomes too much. Standing in front of 100,000 people with millions more watching at home would rattle most, I know it would shake me and I have some intense leadership training. Anyway, intelligence can only get you so far, mastering yourself gets you further, and Garrett seems yet a mere student in this regard. I never liked his signing, too immature and unseasoned for the role of HC in such a dysfunctional organization.

I don't completely agree with you but its a fair response. I agree you have to put into practice well your skills.

 

[jday]

Let's see:
Chged the defensive scheme for backwards results

Did you expect them to make the change and excel immediately? If that is your expectation, I should probably stop here...but I won't.

Has had more injuries in back to back seasons after swapping out trainers

To be honest, especially when it comes to injures involving pulled groings/hammies etc, I put that on the player for improper stretching and/or hydration.

Has made costly game mngmt decisions costing us a game or two in consecutive seasons

No arguments here. But as I have said times, those issues should be diminished not that he has someone I believe trust the run the offense with little to no interference on his part.

The fact is that in the 3 yrs JG has been coach, despite the constant roster churn and getting younger the results have been mediocre. Now the tune has changed to it's going to take more time.

I'd say it's impressive he was able to maintain .500 all things considered. Most team's with that level of rebuild typically are picking in the top 5 the following year.

Parcells did more with less and we've seen other coaches turn franchises around in less time.

Parcell's wouldn't have made the in-game management mistakes Garrett has. Plain and simple. As far as other teams, different players, different coaches, different owner/gm's, different situations. When it comes to making comparison look up the scientific method - to draw conclusions everything must be the same or the data is inconclusive.

How you can still convince yourselves that we are franchise on the upward swing after the results of JG tenure is confusing to me.

I see the good and the bad. You only see the bad. Which one of us is most likely to have a bias and an agenda to push?

We still are trading high round picks to get players we covet and in the process reducing the amount of talent we bring in. The scouting has changed philosophy multiple times.

The jury is still out on Claiborne and we haven't even seen what the 2nd and 3rd yielded us with Lawrence. Claiborne was rated as the best defensive player in the draft by not just the Cowboys. Lawrence was considered the 3rd best DE left in this past draft - with the loss of Ware and defensive line with serious issues, the Cowboys may have been handcuffed to that move. Word is, the Cowboys aren't the only ones who had their eye on him in that round.

I could keep going but my phone is terrible to type on.

Hat's off to you sir - for all of that to be typed on your phone, you displayed remarkable patience. But I'm afraid you will have to keep going.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

And we have potential starters everywhere else. I dont think we can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have definite holes everywhere else on defense.

"Potential means that you've never done it!" ......Bill Parcells