The Defecation Hits the Oscillation Situations

[Dodger12]

Wait, what?

Beat me to the punch CL. I spoke too soon before I saw your post........

 

[jday]

Not using him as a prop. I see it as it is.

Garrett is in the exact same situation as Phillips was. Saddled with a poor GM and grossly negligent cap mismanagement.

I just do not choose to live in world of delusion where I think he is capable of overcoming handicaps, nor do I imagine his situation when he took over had nothing to do with him. He had plenty of organizational stroke even before he was handed the job. I don't see him "building" anything, nor do I see him having his fingerprints on the way we do things.

He is not changing anything. He is not building something special. He is trying to survive, while dealing with his own problems when it comes down to handling the ebb and flow of a football game.

He knew exactly what he was getting into. He has the advantage of having Jones in his corner for the most part and he still cannot get over the hump.

Yet there is every excuse in the world rolled out why this is just some long drawn out process that begs patience.

I agree with much of what you said above. But we will have to agree to disagree on the state of the team now versus what it was when he took over from Wade. This is a grossly younger team with the cap on the mend. You might say that GM Jerry should get credit But for some reason since Garrett took over Jerry has slowly but surely changed how he does business. Personally, I think Jason has something to do with that. Why? Because the moves Jerry is making is close to being in line with what Jason has been preaching at his presser's. Now to that you might ask, 'then how do you explain Rolando McClain?' I would answer that at one time McClain was considered RKG material and with no risk whatsoever they are going to see if he can be that guy again. The arguments suggesting that this is the same old Jerry don't quite hold water because if this was the same old Jerry, Hatcher and Ware would likely still be on the roster and the contracts handed out to many of the Free Agents this past offseason would not be 1 year prove it type of deals. As AsthmaField pointed out earlier in the thread, the offensive line is better, the RB position is better, the TE position is better, and, in my opinion, the WR position is better. The defense is a different story, but a big part of that is due to the switch from the 34 to the 43. Furthermore, if Claiborne was the corner the Cowboys and everyone else thought we were getting, that defense would look signifcantly better. Like Walker pointed out, the rebuild has taken longer then what it probably should because of the cap situation.

At the end of the day, the truth of the matter is, we are not going to change your mind or any of the other Garrett-haters and that's okay; you all are entitled to your opinion. As I've said before, if the in-game piss-poor game management issues don't get corrected this season, at the very least, I'll be joining you in the cry for Garrett's job...after three years, there are no more excuses for those types of mistakes. I acknowlege it hasn't all been great with Garrett leading the ship; but that doesn't mean I have to put on blinders against the positives that have resulted from him being Head Coach.

 

[jobberone]

So the roster is still used as an excuse three years later? From the round of things, you are willing to excuse another three years. If they was winning a game or two more every year, then I could see the progress , but that is not the case.

Yes, the roster is a reason we haven't dug out of that hole yet. The bigger the hole the longer it takes to get out.

 

[Bluestang]

It's ok to admit that JG has fell short of the process.

 

[jnday]

Add to that injuries and the switch from the 34 to the 43 and people should easily understand that circumstances have been a huge issue for Garrett to contend with since he took over.

Some of these issues , he brought on himself. I am not going to excuse him for them. These very same issues may have hurt the development of the team, but Jerry can always use them as an excuse to keep him for another year.

 

[jnday]

LOL at basically still blaming Wade even years after he's gone.

So absurd, but then the Garrett Groupies will concoct any and all excuses for their man.

He had full control over the offense during Wade's time as HC. His input was even used on going after players for the offense. Some of the mess that he took over was of his own doing. I guess that shouldn't count against him.

 

[jday]

It's ok to admit that JG has fell short of the process.

Yes, it absolutely is. But does that mean we cannot admit that there are certain positives that have resulted from him being Head Coach? Please do yourself a favor and look at the roster when he took over and the roster now. It should be clear to you that this team has rebuilt and that it is slowly but surely setting itself up for being a contender. If you refuse to see that, I will have to feel sorry for the hope-devoid fanship you are leading.

 

[jday]

He had full control over the offense during Wade's time as HC. His input was even used on going after players for the offense. Some of the mess that he took over was of his own doing. I guess that shouldn't count against him.

Sure he had some say, but at that point, his word didn't carry the same kind of weight with Jerry and the type of players they should pursue.

 

[Rockport]

Yeah. Read through the subsequent explanation. It's an amusing overlap of the term, at least.

The "amusing overlap" is responsible for 5 NBA Championships.

 

[Idgit]

The "amusing overlap" is responsible for 5 NBA Championships.

Ok. Just saying "pound the rock" has more than one meaning. Everybody here understandably expected you meant it in a football context.

 

[CCBoy]

It's ok to admit that JG has fell short of the process.

Using that ethical standard, it would be completely correct to blame one's Mother for one's own shortcomings as well. If the shoe fits...one doesn't have to adjust it to see if it fits in one's mouth also.

 

[jnday]

Sure he had some say, but at that point, his word didn't carry the same kind of weight with Jerry and the type of players they should pursue.

Would Felix Jones be a good example?

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Something to keep In mind:

Every team Gets given 7 picks every year, at least, No matter what.

Just bc We all like Dwayne Harris doesn't mean that The cowboys are drafting well. They aren't. They're trending downwards. Their drafting needs to improve ASAP its bad

 

[jobberone]

I remember the three year plan as a topic when Garrett was hired and IIRC it come from a comment to the media during that time. It really doesn't matter because he will remain coach until Jerry feels that he has no other choice than to replace him. If is sickening at the good coaches that has been available during the time that Jerry has been training Garrett.

I think he has read a lot about successful people and talked to many as well as understanding what it takes to be successful. I'm certain as I can possibly be he understands the ins and outs of being goal oriented. I say this from listening to him and observing his behaviors. He has those qualities and that is one of the things that makes me believe in him. Of course I have as many doubts which is why I remain mostly on the fence about him.

But he appears to attack problems very well even if he makes his share of mistakes. He doesn't dwell on them but moves forward. It is a process and I see it slowly developing.

Everyone still has to prove the product on the grass so we'll see over the next two maybe three years what we have here. I'm as certain as one can be the product will improve and significantly over the next two years. To me how much is in question; assuming we can get back to normal amounts of injuries and continue to obtain resources well.

 

[jobberone]

LOL at basically still blaming Wade even years after he's gone.

So absurd, but then the Garrett Groupies will concoct any and all excuses for their man.

So people here are in two camps?? Those who realistically see reality properly and those who don't? My guess is you think of people as seeing it your way or not.

There are numbers here who base their opinions on looking objectively at the numerous variables that go into making up a football team. They don't have a pet cat HC or player where they can't see the negatives as well as positives.

Again for me the arrow is pointing up. But I make no accurate predictions of how far 'up' is. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Speaking of numerous numbers and variables. I think my friend Chocolate Lab was referring to hot takes like this...

But he appears to attack problems very well even if he makes his share of mistakes. He doesn't dwell on them but moves forward. It is a process and I see it slowly developing.

theres not any numerous numbers in there . Just meaningless words.

So if I know anything about chocolate lab, he-
1. Would like more substance in a defense of Garrett post
2. Wants evidence things are Getting better
3. Likes him some cornbread

 

[jobberone]

Speaking of numerous numbers and variables. I think my friend Chocolate Lab was referring to hot takes like this...




theres not any numerous numbers in there . Just meaningless words.

So if I know anything about chocolate lab, he-
1. Would like more substance in a defense of Garrett post
2. Wants evidence things are Getting better
3. Likes him some cornbread

I'm not defending Garrett. I'm poking holes in the logic of CL. So there are no numbers to crunch. If you actually read my post without injecting 'my defending' Garrett into it, you'll see the final summary is we will have to wait and see what plays out on grass.

 

[Lonestar94]

Losing is Losing and Winning is Winning. Period. The only thing that matters is Garrett's 29-27 record in Dallas.

 

[Idgit]

Speaking of numerous numbers and variables. I think my friend Chocolate Lab was referring to hot takes like this...theres not any numerous numbers in there . Just meaningless words.

So if I know anything about chocolate lab, he-
1. Would like more substance in a defense of Garrett post
2. Wants evidence things are Getting better
3. Likes him some cornbread

CL's not going to change his opinion on Garrett just because of some numbers in any post. His mind's been made up on that topic for a long time.

We've also already seen the short shrift data gets in discussions here, anyway. Take a look at the logical mess that got made in percy's Romo thread if you somehow need evidence of that phenomenon. A lot of people just can't properly interpret data. (Though to your point, I don't think CL's in that group).

 

[Idgit]

Losing is Losing and Winning is Winning. Period. The only thing that matters is Garrett's 29-27 record in Dallas.

That's a winning record, if you're counting. Which leads me to suspect winning isn't the only thing that matters in this case.