The defense will be better with Zeke

[rpntex]

I haven't been following your posts I just assumed you weren't happy with the pick because you've been attacking me and appeared to be on the same page with Adam. Once you started reciting some of the things he's posted I stopped reading it's a waste of time. Most who see things the way he does on this topic weren't happy with the pick.

It's all good, but one thing...this post shows you don't always know what you're talking about. I won't ever act (or speak) on assumptions, and I suggest you do the same.

 

[KJJ]

It's all good, but one thing...this post shows you don't always know what you're talking about. I won't ever act (or speak) on assumptions, and I suggest you do the same.

I know what I'm talking about when it comes to this topic and that's all that matters. I don't have time to go through your posting history and if you're going to come after me with a page full of what Adam has been preaching I'm going to assume you weren't happy with the Cowboys going RB with their first pick. It's not like you didn't give me a reason to make that assumption.

 

[rpntex]

I know what I'm talking about when it comes to this topic and that's all that matters. I don't have time to go through your posting history and if you're going to come after me with a page full of what Adam has been preaching I'm going to assume you weren't happy with the Cowboys going RB with their first pick. It's not like you didn't give me a reason to make that assumption.

Amazing...some people are incapable of saying "I was wrong"...

As for the rest. it's nothing more than your opinion. Meanwhile, what Adam has posted is based upon numbers, and numbers don't lie. Thed cause amd effect can be debated, but the numbers themselves cannot be refuted.

Seeing as how you're incapable of ;letting go, the last word is yours.

 

[jnday]

Amazing...some people are incapable of saying "I was wrong"...

As for the rest. it's nothing more than your opinion. Meanwhile, what Adam has posted is based upon numbers, and numbers don't lie. Thed cause amd effect can be debated, but the numbers themselves cannot be refuted.

Seeing as how you're incapable of ;letting go, the last word is yours.

The point has been beat tobdeathnon this board that you can find numbers to support whatever agenda you want to.

 

[KJJ]

Amazing...some people are incapable of saying "I was wrong"...

As for the rest. it's nothing more than your opinion. Meanwhile, what Adam has posted is based upon numbers, and numbers don't lie. Thed cause amd effect can be debated, but the numbers themselves cannot be refuted.

Seeing as how you're incapable of ;letting go, the last word is yours.

What am I wrong about? You're claiming you loved the Cowboys selection of Zeke and although I've been defending his selection this entire thread you attacked me with a page full of Adams numbers that you claim don't lie. According to his numbers the running game has little effect on winning or losing in the NFL so if you're buying into what he's preaching then why would you be supportive of the Cowboys using the 4th overall pick on an RB? You're so all over the place you're claiming me and him are both right despite the fact we see things totally differently. lol

It's you flip flopping around not being able hold down a position that's caused me to confuse you with others posters. I got news for you Adams numbers don't tell near the entire story they can and have been refuted which is why the Cowboys made the decision they did to draft Zeke. You don't make the decision to draft an RB that high and have most experts agree with the pick if these numbers Adam comes up with meant a hill of beans to the Cowboys and their situation.

 

[rpntex]

What am I wrong about? You're claiming you loved the Cowboys selection of Zeke and although I've been defending his selection this entire thread you attacked me with a page full of Adams numbers that you claim don't lie. According to his numbers the running game has little effect on winning or losing in the NFL so if you're buying into what he's preaching then why would you be supportive of the Cowboys using the 4th overall pick on an RB? You're so all over the place you're claiming me and him are both right despite the fact we see things totally differently. lol

It's you flip flopping around not being able hold down a position that's caused me to confuse you with others posters. I got news for you Adams numbers don't tell near the entire story they can and have been refuted which is why the Cowboys made the decision they did to draft Zeke. You don't make the decision to draft an RB that high and have most experts agree with the pick if these numbers Adam comes up with meant a hill of beans to the Cowboys and their situation.

You were wrong in assuming that I was anti-Zeke. For the record, it's entirely possible to be pro Zeke, and still believe what Adame is saying. The two subjects are not dependent upon each other. And that is your problem – you can't separate the two.

 

[rpntex]

The point has been beat tobdeathnon this board that you can find numbers to support whatever agenda you want to.

You're right… It has been beaten to death and nobody's mind is changing. I'm done with it.

 

[AdamJT13]

Define "Ran the Ball Better"

I've been very clear that I'm referring to efficiency on a per-play basis -- NOT total yards. It's easiest to use YPC, but other per-play stats have a similarly low correlation.

 

[AdamJT13]

No it shows up on the field. It might not show up in a STAT that you can read, but NFL coaches have said Thousands of times that it does. I can show you things in Film that you don't have stats for.

Every game and every play in an NFL game is measurable. If it affects a game or a play, then it is measurable. If it is measurable, then it shows up in the stats. If it doesn't show up in the stats, then it doesn't have a measurable effect. Thus, any effect that is not measurable is not significant.

 

[AdamJT13]

Those are Rankings. Not cause and effect numbers. Huge difference

What, exactly, are "cause and effect" numbers?

If the running game and passing game are so dependent on each other, how were we able to run so well despite being terrible at passing? And why didn't our running game make our passing game better than it was? Why weren't our best rushing games also usually our best passing games? Why is there never a strong correlation between the two?

 

[KJJ]

You were wrong in assuming that I was anti-Zeke. For the record, it's entirely possible to be pro Zeke, and still believe what Adame is saying. The two subjects are not dependent upon each other. And that is your problem – you can't separate the two.

Anyone who supports the pick would have assumed you were anti-Zeke if they were slammed by you preaching everything Adam has filled your head with. The ones who are defending Adam aren't in support of the pick which is why they're arguing with me. Your problem is you can't seem to separate what I'm saying from what Adam is saying and our positions couldn't be more different.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Again, the vast majority of games are won or lost based on whether you pass better than your opponent, no matter how well you run it and stop the run. It doesn't matter who is in the backfield.

If it doesn't matter who is in the backfield, why did the team try to trade and get Murray back, used the 4th overall pick on a RB, and then used another draft pick in the later rounds on yet another RB?

Those actions do not support your conclusion that it doesn't matter who is in the backfield. To the contrary, it appears that the Cowboys think it matters a hell of a lot who is in the backfield and they were not at all happy with who was in the backfield last year.

I respect your opinions Adam and in most cases agree with you, but it appears that either you or the team has egg on their face. The actions the Cowboys have taken are in complete opposite of what you are saying, so either the Cowboys don't realize that the running back doesn't matter and have wasted valuable resources upgrading a position that you say just doesn't matter, or you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

 

[AdamJT13]

If it doesn't matter who is in the backfield

You're taking that sentence out of context. I was referring to the vast majority of games being won or lost based on whether you pass better than your opponent -- that is true no matter who is in the backfield (meaning the running back). If Adrian Peterson is in the backfield, it's still true. If Emmitt Smith is in the backfield, it's still true. If DeMarco Murray or Ezekiel Elliott is in the backfield, it's still true. No matter who is in the backfield, and no matter how well or how poorly they are running the ball, the game will still almost always be won based on which team is more effective passing. That doesn't change depending on who is in the backfield.

As far as the rest of what you said, it's irrelevant to my point. My point has NEVER been about the running back position. It is only about the overall efficiency of the running game. Running backs obviously contribute to the passing game as well and in short-yardage situations (when rushing success actually matters). And the personnel moves any team makes don't change the facts. The decisions the Cowboys in particular make certainly don't change the facts. What a specific coach or analyst thinks doesn't change the facts. The facts are the facts.

 

[jnday]

You're taking that sentence out of context. I was referring to the vast majority of games being won or lost based on whether you pass better than your opponent -- that is true no matter who is in the backfield (meaning the running back). If Adrian Peterson is in the backfield, it's still true. If Emmitt Smith is in the backfield, it's still true. If DeMarco Murray or Ezekiel Elliott is in the backfield, it's still true. No matter who is in the backfield, and no matter how well or how poorly they are running the ball, the game will still almost always be won based on which team is more effective passing. That doesn't change depending on who is in the backfield.

As far as the rest of what you said, it's irrelevant to my point. My point has NEVER been about the running back position. It is only about the overall efficiency of the running game. Running backs obviously contribute to the passing game as well and in short-yardage situations (when rushing success actually matters). And the personnel moves any team makes don't change the facts. The decisions the Cowboys in particular make certainly don't change the facts. What a specific coach or analyst thinks doesn't change the facts. The facts are the facts.

After doing a little research, I saw a stat that said NFL teams win 75% of the games they play when they have a rusher to run over 100 yards. The Cowboys had an unbelievable record when Dmmitt ran for over 100 yards. Exactly how does that fit in with your stats about the running game not being a factor in winning.?

 

[Scandri100]

Looking back we should of went with Treadwell..Watching Elliott's highlights he doesn't look like anything special IMO....having Jaylen Smith and Treadwell on the team next year would of made this team close to unstoppable.

 

[jnday]

Looking back we should of went with Treadwell..Watching Elliott's highlights he doesn't look like anything special IMO....having Jaylen Smith and Treadwell on the team next year would of made this team close to unstoppable.

I really would have liked a trade up for Treadwell in the second, but If the scouting reports are right, Zeke was the best pick. I only said that he didn't impress me like B, Sanders, E, Dickerson, Bo Jackson etc. I have not watched him enough to say he is on that level. So I will trust what every NFL scouting report says.

 

[percyhoward]

After doing a little research, I saw a stat that said NFL teams win 75% of the games they play when they have a rusher to run over 100 yards. The Cowboys had an unbelievable record when Emmitt ran for over 100 yards. Exactly how does that fit in with your stats about the running game not being a factor in winning.?

When you put gas in your tank, your car gets heavier.

Does making your car heavier make it go?

 

[Bullflop]

The defense may not be any better with Zeke around but it'll at least be on the bench where it belongs -- lol.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Henry is a big back who runs straight ahead fast.

That's it. Nothing else to him.

No thanks.

I agree with you on that. But none the less, he would have been going through big holes here. He is McChicken with better speed and size and youth. Without the injury history.

 

[erod]

I agree with you on that. But none the less, he would have been going through big holes here. He is McChicken with better speed and size and youth. Without the injury history.

What I like about Elliott is that he doesn't give away the play.

With Henry, you're running straight ahead with him. If you want to use a back in the passing game, you have to bring in Dunbar. If you want to pass protect on 3rd-and-7, you need McFadden. If you need somebody compact for third and short, you need Morris.

With Elliott, he can do everything a back needs to do, so it doesn't give the defense any hints. You can't really adjust to Dallas based on personnel, and that gives Linehan and Romo a greater element of surprise, and it keeps defenses playing in more base coverage. Emmitt was like that, too.

Dallas has a nice collection of backs to prevent Elliott from having to rush 400 times like Murray did, but for critical drives, he can carry the water regardless of the situation.