The defense will be better with Zeke

[bsheeern]

Ummmmm.............. yeah, not really.

The defense struggled in 2015 because they simply weren't good enough. 2014 was likely an anomaly where everything went right for them.

Really? You might want to thing longer on that.
Go up and Down the Roster and Compare the two defenses from 2014 to 2015. How did the get worse? There wasn't much change personnel wise.
Every athlete/coach I've ever talked to understands the importance of having Confidence vs Not having it. Not just in yourself but also in your fellow teammates. Plays a huge part in player performance when it comes to a lot of guys on our Defense. Especially the ones with average talent.

Jimmy Johnson once said about his kicker who told him his confidence was gone, " I knew right then and there I needed a new Kicker"

 

[KJJ]

How dare you make so much sense? I can't believe you didnt go blind and agree with the OP! I should report you

I only make sense to those who know the game of football and have a pulse on the Cowboys.

 

[erod]

Ok so you like the Elliott pick and the Trapper pick. That is nothing to crow about in my book. The Smith pic is a crap shoot and will do nothing for this team the next few years. Unless this kid can come in being off a year and play incredible Very doubtful.

Go look at the "A" and "D" team grades from five years ago. They hardly match up with reality.

You can't really judge a draft for 3-4 years. None of us our talent evaluators. It's hard for the pros to do it, and yet we think we can determine good from bad within hours of the draft. It's silly really.

Dallas has to start hitting on 25 percent of their 4th through 7th picks. That's the standard, and they're falling short there. The top picks have been goo for a good long while now.

 

[Hardline]

Yes there was, his name was Ramsey

Ramsey is not on Zeke's level. I'll take an elite RB over a great safety.

 

[Sydla]

Show us what the clock says? Just a play or two longer on the field by your defense can help cost you a game. I didn't say Zeke would keep our defense off the field like Murray did in 2014. Murray had an MVP caliber year in 2014 setting a Cowboys franchise rushing record and Romo also had a career year. You're just wasting both our time.

Again, the whole keeping the defense off the field whether it be 2014 and Murray or 2015 and McFadden and Elliott in 2016 is overblown. That's the point. There was little difference in TOP numbers even when Murray was banging his way for 1800 yards. If anyone is wasting time, it's guys like you who keep trying to bring up the "fresh" defense angle.

So if people want to build a case for Elliott, do it. But use things that actually make sense and at least aren't refuted by basic stats.

 

[erod]

Ramsey is not on Zeke's level. I'll take an elite RB over a great safety.

Assume they're both great picks.

Do you want Emmitt Smith or Darren Woodson?

Easy choice.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Did you miss the draft?

Yep, did you?

Have you played football before? Particularly on defense? If you have, have you ever been on the field for a long drive? Especially if you're playing CB and your scheme is man or press cover and they send receivers you're covering on 9 routes to try to get you out of the play. Or if your DC constantly calls plays for the SS (cane or reddog) to blitz. Or, you're on the d-line and your banging up against an o-lineman that is about 50-60lbs heavier. And you're on the field for a 14-16 play drive and then your offense gets the ball and 3 plays and out and the D is back on the field. If you've never played this game, it may be hard to understand. But, if you have...I'm surprised you don't understand. That's what's meant by helping the defense.

You have a well oiled machine on offense and control the clock. More than likely, the opposing offense changes their game plan.

Yep, I get it completely. But being rested doesnt improve the talent on defense. The brass basically told you that by drafting zeke, the defense will be on the field less, that is how they are improved. Nothing to do with actually improving the play on defense. We have taken offensive players helping to improve the run game for 4 years with our first round picks? Our defense still sucks. Taking blue chip defensive players is how you really improve the D.

 

[lqmac1]

I only make sense to those who know the game of football and have a pulse on the Cowboys.

Exactly! For crying out loud, even Marinelli was telling the front office to draft the Zeke.

 

[Hardline]

Sorry but if you are trying to make an argument in a public forum it helps to consider that there are a wide range of rational opinions and not just your own.

To say that there is no justification for Ramsey over Zeke is asinine.

I do consider other options. That is how I come to the conclusion that my options is the right one.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Zeke is elite. You take elite over great . Zeke will be a superstar,Ramsey will not. Defense was addressed with with some solid additions that have a shot to make this roster.

Ah, so you are a pro scout? Would Henry have been great behind out line? Defense was an afterthought. No one taken in the draft will start or improve our D.

 

[Jake0]

Romo/Elliot/Wilcox/Church easily.

There has been countless arguments on here of DBs impact with no pass rush. I am a believer of, if you dont have a pass rush, it wont matter who you put back there.

How about if you have both DBs AND a pass rush? Fact of the matter is, we need Gregory to pan out. He looked good until his injury and now the suspension is another set back. If Gregory plays up to his talent level and Tapper and Collins bring quality depth to the rotation, then the pass rush is good enough.

 

[Sydla]

Really? You might want to thing longer on that.
Go up and Down the Roster and Compare the two defenses from 2014 to 2015. How did the get worse? There wasn't much change personnel wise.
Every athlete/coach I've ever talked to understands the importance of having Confidence vs Not having it. Not just in yourself but also in your fellow teammates. Plays a huge part in player performance when it comes to a lot of guys on our Defense. Especially the ones with average talent.

Jimmy Johnson once said about his kicker who told him his confidence was gone, " I knew right then and there I needed a new Kicker"

As I said, the 2014 season was an anomaly. They played over their heads. 2015 was a return to earth.

But if you want to believe the 2015 defense fell apart because they lacked the confidence in Darren McFadden and now will be re-invigorated by seeing Elliott at TB, have at it.

 

[bsheeern]

I'd say the difference is marginal. And there are very few plays when that situation even arises -- and even fewer when who is at running back is even a factor.

I was just using that exact down and distance as an example. It can be set up quite a few different ways.

 

[Hardline]

Assume they're both great picks.

Do you want Emmitt Smith or Darren Woodson?

Easy choice.

Yep. Very easy

 

[Sydla]

Assume they're both great picks.

Do you want Emmitt Smith or Darren Woodson?

Easy choice.

Well if we are going to play this game, let's do it fairly.

Do you want Emmitt Smith at TB and Wilcox at S or do you want Woodson at S and say Arien Foster at TB?

 

[bsheeern]

As I said, the 2014 season was an anomaly. They played over their heads. 2015 was a return to earth.

And that my Friend is exactly what Confidence does!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Go look at the "A" and "D" team grades from five years ago. They hardly match up with reality.

You can't really judge a draft for 3-4 years. None of us our talent evaluators. It's hard for the pros to do it, and yet we think we can determine good from bad within hours of the draft. It's silly really.

Dallas has to start hitting on 25 percent of their 4th through 7th picks. That's the standard, and they're falling short there. The top picks have been goo for a good long while now.

Yep, everything is roses. And the record reflects that doesnt it?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I do consider other options. That is how I come to the conclusion that my options is the right one.

Not in your posts you don't.

 

[KJJ]

Again, the whole keeping the defense off the field whether it be 2014 and Murray or 2015 and McFadden and Elliott in 2016 is overblown.

That's according to you but not to the experts and the Cowboys.

 

[Hardline]

Ah, so you are a pro scout? Would Henry have been great behind out line? Defense was an afterthought. No one taken in the draft will start or improve our D.

I am about as close to being a pro scout as anyone on this forum. Henry was my second choice. Tapper,Collins will make this roster and next year we will have Jaylon