The defense will be better with Zeke

[KJJ]

Woah, wait a second. In the presser after picking a player they pumped the player up?

Unheard of!

Actually, I am not saying that at all. I am saying even putting partial blame on it's false. The stats clearly indicate otherwise. The defense was not on the field that much more in 2015 than 2014. That's just a simple fact born out by basic stats. So being on the field too long isn't the main problem, half the problem, or quarter of the problem.

The Cowboys explained why they picked Zeke and they said what I've been saying all along check my archives! You're a lapdog for Adam and his stats. lol Go waste someone else's time.

 

[Bleu Star]

Worst thread of 2016

Cosign. It's early though so... This will probably be a 30 page thread though because people love a good overreaction.

 

[KJJ]

Romo led the league in passer rating because he was so effective when the running game wasn't even a factor -- on third-and-long, in the two-minute offense, with an empty backfield, etc. We were successful because we could pass even when teams knew we were passing. And we averaged more yards per pass play with Murray on the bench than we did when he was on the field.

As far as play-action passes, our pass offense was WORSE on play-action in 2014 (38.6 DVOA) than it was the year before (39.0 DVOA) with a bad running game, while it was MUCH better on non-play-action passes than the year before (39.1 DVOA, compared with 14.5 DVOA).

I know, you don't care about stats, blah blah blah. Keep ignoring the facts.

You just keep wasting your time the facts are we drafted an RB at #4 overall because of all the reasons I've given. Come to grips and deal with it!

 

[Jarv]

What if I told you that the defense was top 10 in points allowed per game in QTRs 1 through 3, but collapse in the 4th quarter?

I'd say they got tired.

 

[AdamJT13]

You just keep wasting your time the facts are we drafted an RB at #4 overall because of all the reasons I've given. Come to grips and deal with it!

Like I said, who got drafted where doesn't change the truth. And it won't change what wins in the NFL.

I just hope we don't turn into the Detroit Lions of the 1990s, when their fans cared more about Barry Sanders' stats than they did about winning football games.

 

[KJJ]

Like I said, who got drafted where doesn't change the truth. And it won't change what wins in the NFL.

I just hope we don't turn into the Detroit Lions of the 1990s, when their fans cared more about Barry Sanders' stats than they did about winning football games.

Even the Lions of the 90s that had a crappy QB situation won some games and got to an NFC title game with Sanders. I pointed out all the games Minn won with Peterson despite their QB situation. A great RB is just part of the puzzle but it's a big part that could help the Cowboys win some games while protecting their aging QB from further injury until they add a few more pieces.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I understand what you're getting at. You want a blue chipper on defense. But, there are more than one way to improve the defense.

So maybe if we keep picking offensive players, the defense will be top 5 in no time. Hook, line, and sinker!!!!

 

[big dog cowboy]

The Smith pic is a crap shoot and will do nothing for this team the next few years.

Few years? You know something the doctor who performed the surgery doesn't?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Few years? You know something the doctor who performed the surgery doesn't?

He is missing next season so that is one year. Then he will be coming back as a rookie, off injury, off from football for a year. Do you you really think he is going to take the NFL by storm his first year back? Well, you probably think he will. But reality is that it is not likely. And that is if he even comes back at all. This guy was supposed to be a 3rd or 4th rounder and Jerry panicked. Now it makes me feel nice that New England wanted to draft him at the end of the 2nd round, but then again, they can afford to take a risk and wait. They already have a championship team. We dont.

 

[KJJ]

So maybe if we keep picking offensive players, the defense will be top 5 in no time. Hook, line, and sinker!!!!

All the top defensive players had holes. Bosa was gone but he could be another pothead and many don't see him as a sack master. No one is sure if Ramsey is a safety or corner and his ball skills are questionable. You can't take a DB who has questionable ball skills at #4 overall. He only had 3 career INT's and reports were it wasn't all because teams didn't throw on him.

The Cowboys have had miserable luck drafting DBs under Jerry. They've only drafted 3 solid corners Kevin Smith, Terence Newman and Scandrick. They've missed on so many corners over the years including one taken 6th overall. Zeke was by far the safest pick and the one that will help us win more games.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Ramsey is not on Zeke's level. I'll take an elite RB over a great safety.

Elite, how, are the cowboys running and read option offense....Ramsey is a press cover corner in the NFL

 

[AdamJT13]

Even the Lions of the 90s that had a crappy QB situation won some games and got to an NFC title game with Sanders. I pointed out all the games Minn won with Peterson despite their QB situation. A great RB is just part of the puzzle but it's a big part that could help the Cowboys win some games while protecting their aging QB from further injury until they add a few more pieces.

Even the Lions with Barry Sanders and the Vikings with Adrian Peterson almost always won or lose depending on whether they passed better than their opponent, regardless of whether they ran better than their opponent. In Peterson's 2,000-yard season, they lost seven games -- in six of those, they passed worse than their opponent, and the other was a three-point loss when they passed slightly better than their opponent. They lost games when they rushed for more than 240 yards and averaged more than 8 yards per carry. During Detroit's heyday with Barry Sanders, from 1991-97, the team that ran the ball better in their games went 59-59 (a .500 winning percentage), while the team that passed the ball better went 97-21 (0.822 winning percentage). The Lions passed better than their opponent 60 times in those seasons and went 50-10 in those games (0.833). They ran it better than their opponent 76 times and went 39-37 in those games (.513).

Again, the vast majority of games are won or lost based on whether you pass better than your opponent, no matter how well you run it and stop the run. It doesn't matter who is in the backfield.

 

[Jarv]

Even the Lions with Barry Sanders and the Vikings with Adrian Peterson almost always won or lose depending on whether they passed better than their opponent, regardless of whether they ran better than their opponent. In Peterson's 2,000-yard season, they lost seven games -- in six of those, they passed worse than their opponent, and the other was a three-point loss when they passed slightly better than their opponent. They lost games when they rushed for more than 240 yards and averaged more than 8 yards per carry. During Detroit's heyday with Barry Sanders, from 1991-97, the team that ran the ball better in their games went 59-59 (a .500 winning percentage), while the team that passed the ball better went 97-21 (0.822 winning percentage). The Lions passed better than their opponent 60 times in those seasons and went 50-10 in those games (0.833). They ran it better than their opponent 76 times and went 39-37 in those games (.513).

Again, the vast majority of games are won or lost based on whether you pass better than your opponent, no matter how well you run it and stop the run. It doesn't matter who is in the backfield.

What are the stats on how well a good running game helps the passing game?

 

[KJJ]

Even the Lions with Barry Sanders and the Vikings with Adrian Peterson almost always won or lose depending on whether they passed better than their opponent, regardless of whether they ran better than their opponent. In Peterson's 2,000-yard season, they lost seven games -- in six of those, they passed worse than their opponent, and the other was a three-point loss when they passed slightly better than their opponent. They lost games when they rushed for more than 240 yards and averaged more than 8 yards per carry. During Detroit's heyday with Barry Sanders, from 1991-97, the team that ran the ball better in their games went 59-59 (a .500 winning percentage), while the team that passed the ball better went 97-21 (0.822 winning percentage). The Lions passed better than their opponent 60 times in those seasons and went 50-10 in those games (0.833). They ran it better than their opponent 76 times and went 39-37 in those games (.513).

Again, the vast majority of games are won or lost based on whether you pass better than your opponent, no matter how well you run it and stop the run. It doesn't matter who is in the backfield.

If you want to keep going on this feel free you're into week 3. lol

 

[percyhoward]

Then, when the game was in hand, and Dallas was forced to go for it on 4th down the entire fourth quarter, it added a lot of TOP to Dallas.

Nope. Check your facts first.

Dallas did not get most of its TOP from 4th quarter possessions. In fact, if it weren't for the 4th quarter, Dallas would have led the NFL in time of average possession.

Cowboys' time of avg poss by qtr
1st-3rd 3:08 (1st)
4th 2:38 (10th)

 

[MRV52]

12th isnt close to good enough.

It is just fine if you have a top 1 or 2 Offense.

 

[MRV52]

Many keep saying that the defense will be better with Zeke and that this move will help the Cowboys regain their 2014 form. While that may be true, one thing I remember very clearly from that playoff game in Green Bay is that one of the main reasons the Cowboys lost that game (other than the whole Dez thing) is that the defense couldn't get to Aaron Rodgers even though he could barely move around in the pocket. So I don't know if I buy the whole Zeke will make the defense better argument. Yeah he might help keep em a little less winded but he sure isn't going to help them rush the passer any better or make the secondary and better in coverage. It's talent that does that and we didn't acquire a lot of talent in those areas in free agency or the draft.

Would we have won that game if we had Zeke? Possible because he is faster and maybe that Demarco fumble doesn't happen at that time with his speed into the hole. That should have been a TD, possibly burring the Packers for good as we would have went up by I think 2 scores. Yes the defense couldn't get Rodgers but with Zeke that game could have possibly been different. Regardless we have to fix that pass rush and I think that the players added on the Dline has for sure strengthened us.

 

[Rogerthat12]

To me, this was the most laughable line of the weekend. And to hear people buy that garbage is even more funny.

Now certainly keeping the defense off the field with a great run game is helping the team.

Its just another head scratching way for the Cowboys brass to justify ANOTHER offensive player with ANOTHER first round pick.

Taking an offensive player helps improve the defense?

Now I will agree it helps HIDE the defense, but it doesn't do squat to improve that side of the ball.

Fans need to wrap their head around one thing and one thing only. We will NEVER win a championship until this defense improves dramatically. Sure we can make the playoffs and have some winning seasons. And unless we spend some big money in FA over the next few years, I don't see it happening.

People keep saying this nonsense. It isn't true.

Dane Brugler‏@dpbrugler 4h4 hours ago
@PFF_Steve It will. The main reason I support the Zeke pick is I think he'll translate to more wins the next 3 years than Ramsey + late RB.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Dane Brugler‏@dpbrugler 4h4 hours ago
@PFF_Steve It will. The main reason I support the Zeke pick is I think he'll translate to more wins the next 3 years than Ramsey + late RB.

I disagree.

I mean with Murray we got to 12 wins. Were there no Murray types in this draft?

And notice his short time frame. 3 years? That's all we care about from the extremely rare top 4 pick this team earns? Yuck.

 

[jnday]

The defense being on the field too long was only "part" of the problem not the entire problem....get real! Everyone knows the #1 problem is the lack of talent primarily upfront and in the secondary. We have issues rushing the passer and we can't cover.

No DB csn cover without a pass rush. That is why I am totally against drafting s DB with s top ten pick. There was serious questions about Bosa being elite and there was not another pass tueher with top ten talent. The success on both sides of the ball tied to the quality of players in the trenches.