The DEs have to be better

[Pass2Run]

I'm hearing that Anthony Rush is down to 390 lbs. Should be ready to contribute 5 plays a game soon. Keep the faith.

Won't make any sort of impact for our team, imo.

 

[charron]

Seems like the DL has 2 choices.

1. Go all out and rush. This is when they go from just getting pressure to getting sacks but they lose any contain ability.
2. Keep contain but lose the ability to get that sack.

Doesn't seem like tgey have found a good balance between maintaining gap responcibility and still being able to get to the qb.

 

[Stak78]

The. Defensive line coach should be fired. If Leon Lett is still a part of coaching DT he should get his walking papers as well. The DTs have grossly underperformed. I have a hard time believing they all suck.

 

[Rayman70]

we have terrible gap assignment integrity. The Defensive ends are often out of position. We need to play much better contain at defensive end.

 

[atlantacowboy]

They stopped moving Micah around for some reason. For the past month, he is almost exclusively lined up on the same side opposite DLAW as a DE. Quinn has turned the NFL's DPOY into an undersized DE.

He was racking up sacks and disrupting a lot more when the offense didn't know where he would be.

 

[quickccc]

We’re still getting a good amount of pressures but i think teams have adjusted by getting the ball out quick.

If we get the Bucs Brady is the king of getting the ball out quick. If the pass rush isn’t strong and Quinn doesn’t have a solid game plan he’ll shred us.

i'll keep hearing that excuse of " ..teams just getting ball out too quickly .."
but when i'm seeing the Eagles who are tops in team sacks in NFL,.i see them getting to QBs before they have a chance to set
and release, or there's something going on in coverage to where that QB cannot go to their initial read and have to re-cock
or have to hold the ball, that further allows rushers to close in for sacks.

Maybe just me, but i'm just not seeing our guys getting off blocks as earlier in the year.
As per DTs, if we do not get pressure from Osa, we just won't get it.

and is it just me, or have we ceased in moving Parsons around from end to end as earlier in the year ?
Seems like now he's coming from the right end 90% of the time. So if i'm opposing offense. i'm
scheming and setting my block tasks vs the right end per Parsons.
i'm watching TJ Watt, and seems like he's always coming in from left end vs the RT.

 

[quickccc]

They stopped moving Micah around for some reason. For the past month, he is almost exclusively lined up on the same side opposite DLAW as a DE.
Quinn has turned the NFL's DPOY into an undersized DE.

He was racking up sacks and disrupting a lot more when the offense didn't know where he would be.

- Could moving Parsons around from end to end, and up the middle gut as frequently actually be weakening and gassing him out as well ?
That's the 2nd thought that's come to me.

- What i liked about a Hybrid or 3 man look is pairing Parsons up against TEs vs the run,.. not going against 330+ pound OTs on a down by down basis.
In both vs run and vs the pass. That is what could wearing him down as such.
- And keep in mind that he's getting double teamed/ double chipped when teams know he's at the right side too.. so even more toll and wear.

- If it continues to go like this .. he's gonna go into a major physical decline and maybe major injury per wear and tear toll.
And then that's when the thought of maybe he should be more of a Von Miller type off the ball LB, rather lined up like a DE to better preserve his health.

 

[atlantacowboy]

- Could moving Parsons around from end to end, and up the middle gut as frequently actually be weakening and gassing him out as well ?
That's the 2nd thought that's come to me.

- What i liked about a Hybrid or 3 man look is pairing Parsons up against TEs vs the run,.. not going against 330+ pound OTs on a down by down basis.
In both vs run and vs the pass. That is what could wearing him down as such.
- And keep in mind that he's getting double teamed/ double chipped when teams know he's at the right side too.. so even more toll and wear.

- If it continues to go like this .. he's gonna go into a major physical decline and maybe major injury per wear and tear toll.
And then that's when the thought of maybe he should be more of a Von Miller type off the ball LB, rather lined up like a DE to better preserve his health.

The idea of moving him around is to create mismatches or overload a side to he can have a better chance of going unblocked. The way Quinn is using him recently requires him to smash into a 320 lb LT every play. Thats going to wear him down faster than anything.

 

[quickccc]

we have terrible gap assignment integrity. The Defensive ends are often out of position. We need to play much better contain at defensive end.

for some time, i could not tell if it was the players flaws,.and a lack of muscle and physicality. But Quinn has his big body 1 tech boys he's preferred in Bohanna, and Hankins, and we've
still had our struggles vs run.

Now at this point, i tend to think its' both coach scheme and lack of player-play. But i don't think it's just the DEs either.
at times there's still suspect LB play- the LBs don't react and fill as needed also.

And we are not the type team that will make big league trades for a Roquan Smith (per Ravens 2nd and 5th rd pick) ..so we flat have to hit home with LB picks in the NFL draft.
Here's hoping rookie Duane Clark is one of them.

 

[quickccc]

The idea of moving him around is to create mismatches or overload a side to he can have a better chance of going unblocked. The way Quinn is using him recently requires him to smash into a 320 lb LT every play. Thats going to wear him down faster than anything.

I most definitely agree.

- that's the idea thought- mismatches and blocking scheme confusion.
But if he's being worn down by mammoth boys on an every down basis, i can see where that place wear -toll upon him, and can cut into his physical effectiveness.
If toll is the case, it doesn't matter if he is moved around, he's not gonna get there.

- That's also a problem i had with Marinelli and DWare in his 4-3 scheme.
and BTW, that's also a huge reason why it will be so very critical who would be the next DC should Quinn depart for a HC gig.
We'd just have to make sure that DC is very conducive fitted for Parsons -the unquestioned major impact core of our defense.

- That's why i'm really all for a 3-4 or hybrid DC.

 

[Pass2Run]

They stopped moving Micah around for some reason. For the past month, he is almost exclusively lined up on the same side opposite DLAW as a DE. Quinn has turned the NFL's DPOY into an undersized DE.

He was racking up sacks and disrupting a lot more when the offense didn't know where he would be.

Exactly.

 

[Risen Star]

I don't buy the excuse that they just aren't getting to the QB because they're worried about the run. Nobody's worried about the running game on 3rd and long. They've seen plenty of these situations over the last 5 games and they aren't getting home.

 

[Pass2Run]

Good post. Might deserve its own thread because I count like 10 of these teams are in the Playoffs. This stats seems to be a good team indicator. Dallas is very good at this aspect of the game, and this needs to continue in the Playoffs.

It's not that big of a deal once the playoffs start.

Those stats are in the past, so they hold no bearing on the games moving forward.

You don't win games with stats, unless you score more points than the other team.

Just like our sack stats don't matter, until we start sacking the QB again.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I most definitely agree.

- that's the idea thought- mismatches and blocking scheme confusion.
But if he's being worn down by mammoth boys on an every down basis, i can see where that place wear -toll upon him, and can cut into his physical effectiveness.
If toll is the case, it doesn't matter if he is moved around, he's not gonna get there.

- That's also a problem i had with Marinelli and DWare in his 4-3 scheme.
and BTW, that's also a huge reason why it will be so very critical who would be the next DC should Quinn depart for a HC gig.
We'd just have to make sure that DC is very conducive fitted for Parsons -the unquestioned major impact core of our defense.

- That's why i'm really all for a 3-4 or hybrid DC.

Parsons is a unique talent, and I thought Quinn recognized it and made the most of it up until the past month. Maybe Injuries have forced Micah into that role (?) but I don't think its good for the defense or Micah. He isn't a hand on the ground DE. He needs to be on his feet and moving around the line.

 

[glimmerman]

I think Quinn perhaps had the DE slow down the pass rush to help with the run game. Could explain the lack of sacks but are creating more turnovers and fumbles..

 

[Pass2Run]

Parsons is a unique talent, and I thought Quinn recognized it and made the most of it up until the past month. Maybe Injuries have forced Micah into that role (?) but I don't think its good for the defense or Micah. He isn't a hand on the ground DE. He needs to be on his feet and moving around the line.

He actually is. He can be both. But he's better at LB and being a chess piece.

 

[quickccc]

I think Quinn perhaps had the DE slow down the pass rush to help with the run game. Could explain the lack of sacks but are creating more turnovers and fumbles..

I grant the number of turnovers credit to both McClay providing ball hawk playmakers such as rookie Bland, Fowler, Wilson, Williams, Clark, Kearse
in addition to Parsons, Dlaw ..as well as Quinn's scheme and emphasis on swarming to the action and the ball..
its still resulted in INTs and forced fumbles (which we lead NFL in fumble recoveries)

Diggs INTs has significantly dipped compared to 2021, but yet we're still seeing DBs driving on the ball for INTs.
And i'm still seeing Quinn sending blitz packages with the likes of Bland.

One of my remaining concerns is this defense still can be confused and misled by Misdirection plays.
The teams that best excel and emphasize these plays work more effectively against us.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I think Quinn perhaps had the DE slow down the pass rush to help with the run game. Could explain the lack of sacks but are creating more turnovers and fumbles..

This defense hasn't played well since the Colts game. The sacks have dried up b/c Sam Williams and Dorrance have been out a lot. So, Micah has had to step in at DE, and he just not as impactful in that spot. I'm hoping with Dorrance and Sam back, Micah can go back to LB and stalk the LOS.

 

[Denim Chicken]

True, but they have a ton of pressures and QB hits. That's just as important.

Micah is back there all game.

I just think QBs have decided to get it out quick no matter what.

Exactly this. Need the CBs to press more and stop leaving these cushions which makes the quick passing game work.

 

[glimmerman]

This defense hasn't played well since the Colts game. The sacks have dried up b/c Sam Williams and Dorrance have been out a lot. So, Micah has had to step in at DE, and he just not as impactful in that spot. I'm hoping with Dorrance and Sam back, Micah can go back to LB and stalk the LOS.

Are they injured. I see LVE will be back for playoffs. Am hoping for Biadiaz